Apple display walls

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
Considering the great job Apple has done with its display line and their mastery at keeping the Powerbook screen edges so slim, I wonder why Apple is not proposing Cinema Displays with very extra thin edges, so that we could assemble "walls" with, say, 4 or 6 displays. Imagine:

- A 4 17" Studio Displays would cost you $2800 and give you a work area of 2560X2048

- A 6 17" Studio Displays would cost you $4200 and give you a work area of 3840X2048

- A 4 20" gorgeous Cinema displays would cost you $5200 and give you 3360X2100

- I prefer not to mention a 4 23" configuration as you are all going to call me nut.



Still, if they were designed so well as to fit perfectly with minimum space between them, I would go for them and forget the G4 issue.



Just a thought I wanted to share between designers
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  • Reply 1 of 21
    vr6vr6 Posts: 77member
    This is a great idea. :cool:



    Wouldn't have to be walls. Various stand extensions could be made available to have the two upper displays stand above the lower ones while still occupying a minimum of desk space.



    It would also create some additional margin for Apple from those serious "money is no object" professionals.
  • Reply 2 of 21
    Why doesn't Apple just make a "Super Cinema" display that has a native res of

    4000 X 3000? Actually, that would be a studio aspect ratio, but why not?
  • Reply 3 of 21
    The problem is the price of such a display and the fact that it is not ready to exist. Plus imagine that you get it and there is dead pixel in the middle. I'd rather replace one 17" display than the whole thing.

    Here is an explanation of the Px/$ ratio and how it is more intereting to combine small displays than big ones.

    17" Studio display = 1310720 px / $ 700 you get 1872 Pixels per dollar



    20" Cinema display = 1764000 px / $ 1300 = 1360 Px/$



    23" Cinema display = 2304000 px / $ 2000 = 1152 Px/$
  • Reply 4 of 21
    709709 Posts: 2,016member
    IIRC, there's also a set 'limit' to OSX's desktop space. I was thinking about adding a fourth monitor to my setup a few months ago, but ran across a thread (somewhere...sorry) about a pixel limit (width anyways, not sure about height). If memory serves it was greater than 4000 but less than 4800 wide.
  • Reply 5 of 21
    Cant you just link up displays as they are right now?
  • Reply 6 of 21
    lucaluca Posts: 3,833member
    Yes but because of the thick edges to the displays, there are big ugly gaps. If the edges were thin, like on the PowerBooks, it would take up less space and it would look much better.



    It's somewhat disorienting when moving from one monitor to another if there's no space between them, because the pointer crosses the gap instantly. The smaller the gap, the more intuitive it is. And Apple is all about being intuitive.
  • Reply 7 of 21
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    I'm kind of torn on this border issue. For the longest time, I've felt that they were too thick. And perhaps only in the next major revision of LCD's will Apple move towards a thinner one.



    However, Apple is also about ergonomics and functionality. The added border certainly make the current displays much more sturdy with it's added weight.

    I wonder how flimsy a 23" LCD can be without fear of it tipping over.
  • Reply 8 of 21
    [quote]Originally posted by Minimac:

    <strong>The problem is the price of such a display and the fact that it is not ready to exist. Plus imagine that you get it and there is dead pixel in the middle. I'd rather replace one 17" display than the whole thing.

    Here is an explanation of the Px/$ ratio and how it is more intereting to combine small displays than big ones.

    17" Studio display = 1310720 px / $ 700 you get 1872 Pixels per dollar

    20" Cinema display = 1764000 px / $ 1300 = 1360 Px/$



    23" Cinema display = 2304000 px / $ 2000 = 1152 Px/$</strong><hr></blockquote>



    your missing the point. if there is one dead pixel you replace that panel and that panel only. you don't replace the entire wall.



    I don't think professionals need a wall this big though 4x 23 inch displays are friggin huge...for this i think you should invest in high definition digital projectors they are alot more mobile.
  • Reply 9 of 21
    what video card are you going to drive this with?
  • Reply 10 of 21
    This got me thinking, so I opened up my displsays control panel and went to arrangement, and to my surprise you can move a monitor below or above. I just never tried before, I always just put it to the right or left.



    That's too darned cool. I now have a goal to get four monitor stacked 2 x 2 and do this. that would rock!!
  • Reply 11 of 21
    tiny market best left to after-market hardware specialists
  • Reply 12 of 21
    lucaluca Posts: 3,833member
    Actually, it's not possible to have more than two 20" Cinema displays at once. Since it requires a fairly modern graphics card, you can't use it on a second (PCI) video card, as the newest PCI video cards for the Mac are the Radeon and Radeon 7000. The only way you can use more than two 20" cinemas is, ironically, on a PC. There are more modern PCI graphics cards for PCs and with a few DVI-ADC adapters it could be done. But at $150 each for the DVI-ADC adapters, it would NOT be cheap, and you'd lose many of the features that ADC brings. Which is why I say Apple should expand their market by using DVI instead of ADC for their LCDs, at least as an option.



    You can, however, use 17" studio displays on a PCI video card. Again, though, you'd need lots of DVI-ADC adapters. I say just avoid Apple's displays because of their stupid proprietary connection, and get a nice digital Samsung or something along those lines.
  • Reply 13 of 21
    Minimac and Luca,



    Some folks in this thread seem to be missing the point. I believe you are talking about using 4 or more normal monitors, but arranged in a square, to simulate one large monitor. This shouldn't require any special graphics cards (just several).



    I like this idea, and have thought about it before. The only way I've found to do this currently is to use mulitple projectors. That way you can stack them with no gap at all! You may have issues getting the pixels to line up perfectly for the whole width/height, though.



    Another issue would be that the menu bar and dock wouldn't spread, they would still only be on one monitor, right? (I haven't used mulitple monitors in X, so correct me if wrong here.)



    [ 02-25-2003: Message edited by: Transcendental Octothorpe ]</p>
  • Reply 14 of 21
    lucaluca Posts: 3,833member
    All I said is that there is no PCI video card for the Mac that can drive the 20" Cinema display, not even with a DVI-ADC adapter. It's perfectly possible to arrange 4 VGA or DVI monitors in a square to simulate one big monitor. Still, the dock and menubar will only be on one monitor (you can choose which one by dragging the menubar from one to the next in the Displays pref pane). Also, DVDs will only play in the main monitor that has the dock + menubar, they can't span multiple monitors.



    I also think having lots of monitors would be cool! A friend of mine wanted to add a couple video cards to his PowerMac 6500/G3 so he could do 3D rendering with front, side, top, and 3/4 view all on their own monitors. He hasn't gotten around to it but it's certainly doable. To stack CRTs on top of each other, you could use a couple of these table things I've seen... you bolt them on top of the monitor and it makes it into a shelf. You could put another monitor on top.
  • Reply 15 of 21
    A friend of my GF makes films for Renault for their car exhibition display. They have a VERY wide aspect screen - like a long ribbon many meters long and several meters tall.



    They use a number of projectors running off as many synched computers (Macs AFAIK and no trivial task).



    Problem is the compositing and cutting of the film in AE or FC or what ever they use since the image on screen is also a very wide and low aspect. For his work I'm sure he would love a setup with more screens beside each other but working as one, but then again I don't think there are too many users like him around.



    They make a new film for each show BTW so it's costing Renault a pretty packet each time :-)



    Kroehl
  • Reply 16 of 21
    <a href="http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=14439&papass=&sort=1&thecat=50 2" target="_blank">SpyMac</a>



    [ 02-26-2003: Message edited by: Alpha Mac ]</p>
  • Reply 17 of 21
    vinney57vinney57 Posts: 1,162member
    Apple plays the percentages; it doesn't try to cover all the bases and the design 'imperitive' is more important in the mass market. If you want thin bezels buy a different bloody monitor (NEC, LG, Samsung, Philipps, Sony, etc...)



    The ADC to DVI adaptor and power supply is down to $99 by the way.
  • Reply 18 of 21
    vinney57vinney57 Posts: 1,162member
    That should be DVI to ADC of course.....
  • Reply 19 of 21
    709709 Posts: 2,016member
    [quote]Originally posted by kroehl:

    <strong>They have a VERY wide aspect screen - like a long ribbon many meters long and several meters tall.



    They use a number of projectors running off as many synched computers (Macs AFAIK and no trivial task).



    Problem is the compositing and cutting of the film in AE or FC or what ever they use since the image on screen is also a very wide and low aspect. For his work I'm sure he would love a setup with more screens beside each other but working as one, but then again I don't think there are too many users like him around.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I just finished a project exactly like this, and when I saw AlphaMac's rendition of a thin-frame multi-monitor setup above...damn, that would have been perfect. As it was, I was creating/compositing/loading 1080i HD footage on two side-by-side 1600x1200 monitors with close to 3 inches of frame separating the two screens. Horrible.



    The final product was similarly projected onto a massive screen from 3 synched DVDs...off PC.
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