It's depressing to think about after 9/11 ... the outpouring of support and love for the US by most of the world... and how it was totally and utterly squandered.
It's amazing how people forget Viet Nam, Cambodia, Watergate, Iran-Contra, Panama, Gulf War I and et al*...and still vote for the perpetrators...
* but we still seem to remember and joke about another president's blow job.
No one has forgot... but Bush lashing out at Iraq kinda overshadows the goodwill... 9/11 didn't give Bush the right to lashout whever he sees fit. Everyone was prepared to help us in our fight against terrorism... until he aimed his crosshairs at Iraq...
France and Germany have forces in Afghanistan right now... helping us fight terrorism. They haven't forgot.
It's depressing to think about after 9/11 ... the outpouring of support and love for the US by most of the world... and how it was totally and utterly squandered.
Yea. As long as all those countries don't have to do anything, make hard choice and stand firm on an issue for an extended period of time, there's plenty of "support and love". In reality it was crocodile tears for some and an unsupported gesture for others.
Iraq was a festering wound in the middle east. Only the US and UK were involved in maintaining the no fly zones and the rest. France and Germany, for example, had already cut lucrative oil deals with one the worlds worst living dictators. Rah rah old Europe.
In a post 9-11 world Iraq either had to comply with the UN or have their regime changed.
Yea. As long as all those countries don't have to do anything, make hard choice and stand firm on an issue for an extended period of time, there's plenty of "support and love". In reality it was crocodile tears for some and an unsupported gesture for others.
... and if he told you to jump off a cliff, would you do that too?
Why? Because they thought our reasons for going to Iraq were wrong?
Sometimes your allies are the ones that have the courage to say you're making a mistake. How silly do freedom fries look now?
Not so silly considering France had cut many a business deal with Iraq (ie Saddam) and has been implicated in passing top secret information directly to Iraq while the US and UK were making the case for war. What does France stand for when it jumps in bed with an anti-Semitic dictator like Saddam?
You do know that the Le Monde (French 'Times') had as it's headline "We Are All Americans Now" on the 12th, don't you? That's right, the French loved America.
I wouldn't go that far. Have you read that editorial? It complained about America's sole status as superpower and claimed that we had basically brought 9/11 on ourselves because of our support of Israel and because we had trained bin Laden, which was false. I wouldn't say it was professing any love to the US, even on the day after.
So are you saying we went in there to get our own oil deals?
Hey... I thought getting Saddam out of there was a good idea... I'm not sure what the rush in was all about? And I have no idea why we thought we should do it alone. Especially when all the intelligence was as weak as it was...
You can't complain about France and Germany if you don't look at what Reagan did to prop him up against Iran... or what Bush 1 did when he encouraged a revolution in Iraq and then did nothing to support it.
In case you can't remember the discussion, here it is.
You said:
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It's amazing people forget 9-11
He said:
Quote:
What did that have to with Iraq?
and you followed with the complete non sequitur:
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Originally posted by Scott
Iraq was a festering wound in the middle east. Only the US and UK were involved in maintaining the no fly zones and the rest. France and Germany, for example, had already cut lucrative oil deals with one the worlds worst living dictators. Rah rah old Europe.
In a post 9-11 world Iraq either had to comply with the UN or have their regime changed.
Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Bush said as much the other day:
I pretty much agree with it too... however... Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that's why France could be such bastards about it. A more nimble US administration would have been able to get Saddam out AND get the help of Europe too.
Iraq was a festering wound in the middle east. Only the US and UK were involved in maintaining the no fly zones and the rest. France and Germany, for example, had already cut lucrative oil deals with one the worlds worst living dictators. Rah rah old Europe.
In a post 9-11 world Iraq either had to comply with the UN or have their regime changed.
You nauseating buffoon.
The amount of deals the US has done with nasty people is staggering. Like that bastard Saddam Hussein for examlpe. Rah rah old US.
Oh, and answer the question. What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?
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Originally posted by chu_bakka
It's depressing to think about after 9/11 ... the outpouring of support and love for the US by most of the world... and how it was totally and utterly squandered.
It's amazing how people forget Viet Nam, Cambodia, Watergate, Iran-Contra, Panama, Gulf War I and et al*...and still vote for the perpetrators...
* but we still seem to remember and joke about another president's blow job.
France and Germany have forces in Afghanistan right now... helping us fight terrorism. They haven't forgot.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
Originally posted by Scott
It's amazing people forget 9-11.
What did that have to do with Iraq?
Originally posted by chu_bakka
It's depressing to think about after 9/11 ... the outpouring of support and love for the US by most of the world... and how it was totally and utterly squandered.
Yea. As long as all those countries don't have to do anything, make hard choice and stand firm on an issue for an extended period of time, there's plenty of "support and love". In reality it was crocodile tears for some and an unsupported gesture for others.
Sometimes your allies are the ones that have the courage to say you're making a mistake. How silly do freedom fries look now?
Originally posted by Harald
What did that have to do with Iraq?
Iraq was a festering wound in the middle east. Only the US and UK were involved in maintaining the no fly zones and the rest. France and Germany, for example, had already cut lucrative oil deals with one the worlds worst living dictators. Rah rah old Europe.
In a post 9-11 world Iraq either had to comply with the UN or have their regime changed.
Originally posted by Scott
Yea. As long as all those countries don't have to do anything, make hard choice and stand firm on an issue for an extended period of time, there's plenty of "support and love". In reality it was crocodile tears for some and an unsupported gesture for others.
... and if he told you to jump off a cliff, would you do that too?
Originally posted by chu_bakka
Why? Because they thought our reasons for going to Iraq were wrong?
Sometimes your allies are the ones that have the courage to say you're making a mistake. How silly do freedom fries look now?
Not so silly considering France had cut many a business deal with Iraq (ie Saddam) and has been implicated in passing top secret information directly to Iraq while the US and UK were making the case for war. What does France stand for when it jumps in bed with an anti-Semitic dictator like Saddam?
Originally posted by Scott
In a post 9-11 world Iraq either had to comply with the UN or have their regime changed.
Well, it looks more and more like they were complying with the UN, after all.
Originally posted by Harald
You do know that the Le Monde (French 'Times') had as it's headline "We Are All Americans Now" on the 12th, don't you? That's right, the French loved America.
I wouldn't go that far. Have you read that editorial? It complained about America's sole status as superpower and claimed that we had basically brought 9/11 on ourselves because of our support of Israel and because we had trained bin Laden, which was false. I wouldn't say it was professing any love to the US, even on the day after.
Originally posted by Scott
Not so silly considering France had cut many a business deal with Iraq (ie Saddam)
Do you mean like Cheney did? Apparently you are referring to the deals that were already scrapped months before the invasion.
Originally posted by Harald
... and if he told you to jump off a cliff, would you do that too?
Who's "he"? What are you posting about?
Hey... I thought getting Saddam out of there was a good idea... I'm not sure what the rush in was all about? And I have no idea why we thought we should do it alone. Especially when all the intelligence was as weak as it was...
You can't complain about France and Germany if you don't look at what Reagan did to prop him up against Iran... or what Bush 1 did when he encouraged a revolution in Iraq and then did nothing to support it.
Answer the question:
What did that have to do with Iraq?
In case you can't remember the discussion, here it is.
You said:
It's amazing people forget 9-11
He said:
What did that have to with Iraq?
and you followed with the complete non sequitur:
Originally posted by Scott
Iraq was a festering wound in the middle east. Only the US and UK were involved in maintaining the no fly zones and the rest. France and Germany, for example, had already cut lucrative oil deals with one the worlds worst living dictators. Rah rah old Europe.
In a post 9-11 world Iraq either had to comply with the UN or have their regime changed.
Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Bush said as much the other day:
San Jose Mercury News
Swissinfo
Toronto Star
Seattle PI
NY Times
There are more, if you want them. The two - 9/11 and Iraq WERE NOT RELATED. Get it through your head.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/18/opinion/18FRIE.html
I pretty much agree with it too... however... Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that's why France could be such bastards about it. A more nimble US administration would have been able to get Saddam out AND get the help of Europe too.
Thanks Bush... thanks Chirac... ya both suck.
Originally posted by Scott
Iraq was a festering wound in the middle east. Only the US and UK were involved in maintaining the no fly zones and the rest. France and Germany, for example, had already cut lucrative oil deals with one the worlds worst living dictators. Rah rah old Europe.
In a post 9-11 world Iraq either had to comply with the UN or have their regime changed.
You nauseating buffoon.
The amount of deals the US has done with nasty people is staggering. Like that bastard Saddam Hussein for examlpe. Rah rah old US.
Oh, and answer the question. What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?
Originally posted by Scott
Um? No. France and Germany had deals with Saddam just before Gulf War 2.
non sequitur, again. That should be your new name - non sequitur Scott, (100% irrelevant)
I want links.