To me laptop must be light and thin (or small)....
You're right, Leonis. That's why I traded my Wallstreet (G3) for a PowerBook 2400c, which "only" featured a PPC 603e. Never regreted the "downgrade," which was obviously an upgrade in my mind.
I'm with y'all... I have two wallstreets on my floor (as I type this on a Ti), and damn if they are cool Bat-laptops. The rubberized metal is a nice touch, too. Very solid, very expandable. Great machines.
I also think that while 'cold and sterile', the G5 rules in a way no other tower does.
I still use a 500 Mhz Pismo everyday as my main PowerBook for work. I was given the option to adopt a 500 Mhz TiBook, but I just couldn't let the Pismo go.
I think the Pismo is STILL the most well-rounded laptop Apple's ever produced. It's the only one to have 2 FW ports, 2 USB ports, VGA, S-Video, audio in and out, IR, PC card, 2 removable batteries and/or a hotswappable internal optical drive all in ONE laptop. The extra weight is worth it.
I'll probably use my Pismo until it completely ceases to function.
AMEN!
My Pismo may not be the smallest, lightest, fastest PowerBook in the world, but it's STILL an AMAZING laptop.
There are only two things the Pismo needs to kick a TiBook's rear:
1) A faster processor.
2) A new video card with 16MB or more of VRAM.
I was about to purchase a 900MHz G3 upgrade from Powerlogix, but I discovered that Powerlogix will release a new 1.1GHz G3 upgrade (PowerPC 750GX with 1MB of L2 cache) either before the end of the year, or just after the beginning of 2004.
The PowerPC 750GX will be so much faster than the 900MHz 750FX that I'm willing to wait until Powerlogix releases the new upgrade.
Although it would be nice to have a PB that supports Quartz Extreme, there are just too many great things about the Pismo for me to want to replace it.
You're right, Leonis. That's why I traded my Wallstreet (G3) for a PowerBook 2400c, which "only" featured a PPC 603e. Never regreted the "downgrade," which was obviously an upgrade in my mind.
Small (and light) is beautiful!
Escher
PowerBook 2400c: 209.475 in^3
PowerBook G4 12": 110.6in^3
The G4 weighs 4oz more, but includes the optical drive.
Hmmm.
I think we have our new Apple subnotebook champion... and it's not even a subnotebook. Odd, that.
Grayscale Duos were only 130 cubic inches, and they only weighed 4.2 lbs. They gained 9 cubic inches and 9.6 ounces when they got a color screen, though.
I'm thinking of picking up a really really cheap Duo just for fun. I see them all the time on LEM Swap, and they seem like good (if very old) computers.
Grayscale Duos were only 130 cubic inches, and they only weighed 4.2 lbs. They gained 9 cubic inches and 9.6 ounces when they got a color screen, though.
I'm thinking of picking up a really really cheap Duo just for fun. I see them all the time on LEM Swap, and they seem like good (if very old) computers.
Okay, so the 12" G4 PowerBook is only 20 cubic inches *less*, and about 7oz more.
Hmmm.
Color screen, G4, Combo drive, about a gajillion times the storage and RAM... for 7oz more, and smaller.
Sorry, what was the appeal of the Duo again other than nostalgia?
I'd like to see a subsubnotebook as well, but face it guys, the Duo or 2400c is no longer the holy grail.
Obviously the Duo isn't really useful anymore. Even the 2400c is no good for more than basic stuff like web browsing, email, word processing, and the like.
On the other hand, they were very good for their time. Just think how small of a PowerBook Apple could make now if they used the basic idea of the Duo (leave all ports off, use a docking station instead) but applied modern technology to it? I'm not saying they should, I just think it would be a cool idea.
Another advantage to old PowerBooks (especially the very small ones like Duos) is they are nearly $1600 cheaper than the 12" PowerBook. I could, for example, just buy a Duo for the sole purpose of storing all my emails from the past ten days on it in Eudora 1.5.5, therefore allowing me to carry my emails and contacts with me when I go somewhere else. I wouldn't want to shell out the money for a 12" PowerBook just as an email carrier
I'd like to see a subsubnotebook as well, but face it guys, the Duo or 2400c is no longer the holy grail.
Kickaha: Duh. Why do you think I sold my PowerBook 2400c shortly after OS X came out? As much as I liked the Comet (2400c), I moved up to Marble (the iBook Dual USB) and never looked back. I got a G3, more RAM, more resolution, and most importantly, more battery life so that I didn't have to carry the power adapter all the time. I hung on to my 2400c for a long time, but when the iBook (Dual USB) came along, I got with the times.
I may talk nostalgically about the 2400c and the Duos, but in real life there's no point sticking with old technology. Give me a few months, and I'll save a few more ounces and cubic inches with a new 12-inch PowerBook.
Cool, glad to hear it. I have to admit, you've always come across to me as waaaaaay too enthusiastic about the 2400c/Duos when there's been a pretty obvious replacement right in front of you. No worries. I thought you were still *actively* pining for a 2400c as the end all and be all.
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That are the reasons I got rid of my Wall Street and Pismo
Originally posted by Leonis
To me laptop must be light and thin (or small)....
You're right, Leonis. That's why I traded my Wallstreet (G3) for a PowerBook 2400c, which "only" featured a PPC 603e. Never regreted the "downgrade," which was obviously an upgrade in my mind.
Small (and light) is beautiful!
Escher
I also think that while 'cold and sterile', the G5 rules in a way no other tower does.
Keeping it thin, lite, etc... but black and curvaciou, reminding of the old gen powerbooks.
Not sure if one would have too much space to play with if the laptops are so thin!
Originally posted by CosmoNut
I think the Pismo is STILL the most well-rounded laptop Apple's ever produced. It's the only one to have 2 FW ports, 2 USB ports, VGA, S-Video, audio in and out, IR, PC card, 2 removable batteries and/or a hotswappable internal optical drive all in ONE laptop. The extra weight is worth it.
I'll probably use my Pismo until it completely ceases to function.
AMEN!
My Pismo may not be the smallest, lightest, fastest PowerBook in the world, but it's STILL an AMAZING laptop.
There are only two things the Pismo needs to kick a TiBook's rear:
1) A faster processor.
2) A new video card with 16MB or more of VRAM.
I was about to purchase a 900MHz G3 upgrade from Powerlogix, but I discovered that Powerlogix will release a new 1.1GHz G3 upgrade (PowerPC 750GX with 1MB of L2 cache) either before the end of the year, or just after the beginning of 2004.
The PowerPC 750GX will be so much faster than the 900MHz 750FX that I'm willing to wait until Powerlogix releases the new upgrade.
Although it would be nice to have a PB that supports Quartz Extreme, there are just too many great things about the Pismo for me to want to replace it.
PISMO RULES!!!
Originally posted by Escher
You're right, Leonis. That's why I traded my Wallstreet (G3) for a PowerBook 2400c, which "only" featured a PPC 603e. Never regreted the "downgrade," which was obviously an upgrade in my mind.
Small (and light) is beautiful!
Escher
PowerBook 2400c: 209.475 in^3
PowerBook G4 12": 110.6in^3
The G4 weighs 4oz more, but includes the optical drive.
Hmmm.
I think we have our new Apple subnotebook champion... and it's not even a subnotebook. Odd, that.
I'm thinking of picking up a really really cheap Duo just for fun. I see them all the time on LEM Swap, and they seem like good (if very old) computers.
Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
Grayscale Duos were only 130 cubic inches, and they only weighed 4.2 lbs. They gained 9 cubic inches and 9.6 ounces when they got a color screen, though.
I'm thinking of picking up a really really cheap Duo just for fun. I see them all the time on LEM Swap, and they seem like good (if very old) computers.
Okay, so the 12" G4 PowerBook is only 20 cubic inches *less*, and about 7oz more.
Hmmm.
Color screen, G4, Combo drive, about a gajillion times the storage and RAM... for 7oz more, and smaller.
Sorry, what was the appeal of the Duo again other than nostalgia?
I'd like to see a subsubnotebook as well, but face it guys, the Duo or 2400c is no longer the holy grail.
On the other hand, they were very good for their time. Just think how small of a PowerBook Apple could make now if they used the basic idea of the Duo (leave all ports off, use a docking station instead) but applied modern technology to it? I'm not saying they should, I just think it would be a cool idea.
Another advantage to old PowerBooks (especially the very small ones like Duos) is they are nearly $1600 cheaper than the 12" PowerBook. I could, for example, just buy a Duo for the sole purpose of storing all my emails from the past ten days on it in Eudora 1.5.5, therefore allowing me to carry my emails and contacts with me when I go somewhere else. I wouldn't want to shell out the money for a 12" PowerBook just as an email carrier
Originally posted by Kickaha
I'd like to see a subsubnotebook as well, but face it guys, the Duo or 2400c is no longer the holy grail.
Kickaha: Duh. Why do you think I sold my PowerBook 2400c shortly after OS X came out? As much as I liked the Comet (2400c), I moved up to Marble (the iBook Dual USB) and never looked back. I got a G3, more RAM, more resolution, and most importantly, more battery life so that I didn't have to carry the power adapter all the time. I hung on to my 2400c for a long time, but when the iBook (Dual USB) came along, I got with the times.
I may talk nostalgically about the 2400c and the Duos, but in real life there's no point sticking with old technology. Give me a few months, and I'll save a few more ounces and cubic inches with a new 12-inch PowerBook.
Escher