Yawn. You are, as usual, part of the problem yourself. I'm in pro and anti threads to help dialogue. It's sad not to see the reverse. It's even more sad to read your drivel.
Yawn. You are, as usual, part of the problem yourself. I'm in pro and anti threads to help dialogue. It's sad not to see the reverse. It's even more sad to read your drivel.
You weren't trying to spark debate here. You were being a snide little asshole and everyone knows it. If you really wanted to spark debate, you could have expressed that desire without being an ass.
You don't think the spineless democrat congressmen that only looked at their own reelection when they voted to support the Iraq War Resolution need to be fired?
Of course you don't. Damn partisan rat bastard.
The one who started this was Bush. You're not looking at the gravity of the situation. This cost many lives and many dollars. Bush started this. That's what makes this different. That and the fact that he's the president. The leader of our country. The place where the buck STOPS!
It's this sort of "I told you so nyah nyah nyah nyah IN YOUR FACE BIATCH" mentality that ALSO stifles progress and FURTHER POLARIZES this nation.
You, as usual, are part of the problem.
Attempting to draw attention away from the matter at hand also stifles progress. It's time this matter was out in the open. How else can we learn from our mistakes?
If there's a little I told you so in this maybe the people who supported Bush in this matter should listen.
A small price to pay after all the smug pro war ( we've got to disarm Saddam ) comments we've heard over the past year.
The one who started this was Bush. You're not looking at the gravity of the situation. This cost many lives and many dollars. Bush started this. That's what makes this different. That and the fact that he's the president. The leader of our country. The place where the buck STOPS!
It may all be a moot point now, we are in for another war but Bush won't be starting it - Israel last night attacked Syria (15 miles north of Damascus - civilian casualties) and while I don't want to get into that old BS right now, the relevant point is that Bush's precedent of pre-emption (yes this strike IS pre-emption not retaliation) coupled with blind support for Israel and Sharon being the rabid dog of the ME all adds up to all out war in the region. It's on it's way.
No single person is to blame - not Bush, not Sharon, Arafat...not anyone. The escalation imo is due to a lack of respect for diplomacy at all levels in world leaders. Not that they lie (politicians always do) but that they use inflammatory language that stirs people up and singles out nations and people as 'evil' etc. It does the opposite of cooling things down and enables certain actions to be legitimised that would never otherwise be. That's why Israel can strike at Syria and no-one will do anything and because no-one will do anything then the 'terrorists' will do something.
At some point (very soon) it will hit crtitical mass and the ME will erupt into all out war. Imo we are 2 suicide bombs/retaliations away at the most.
Yes well we're not there yet.
However Bush for the most part is to blame.
He's the one who decided to knock the hornet's nest with a stick before more peaceful solutions could have been found.
And yes Bush did set a new standard of thumbing your nose at your neighbor.
You weren't trying to spark debate here. You were being a snide little asshole and everyone knows it. If you really wanted to spark debate, you could have expressed that desire without being an ass.
I am afraid congress took the president on his word when they voted. Shame on them..
Bush's Decision to Invade Iraq Happened Days after September 11th, Despite His Assertions to the Contrary
President Bush's decision to attack Saddam Hussein was made within days after the September 11th suicide hijackings, even though Bush claimed on the eve of his invasion "the American people can know that every measure has been taken to avoid war."1
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has acknowledged that in the first weekend after September 11th "the disagreement was whether [invading Iraq] should be in the immediate response or whether you should concentrate simply on Afghanistan first."2
Privately, the President began making it known in March 2002 that the decision to invade Iraq was a foregone conclusion. In an unscheduled appearance with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Republican and Democratic Senators, Bush cursed Saddam and vowed, "We're taking him out." Weeks later, Vice President Dick Cheney said to a Senate Republican policy lunch that the question of attacking Iraq was not if, but when.3
The strategy of seeking United Nations approval for the invasion was hatched during an August dinner with Secretary of State Colin Powell at which "the agenda was not whether Iraq, but how."4 Publicly, though, the President continued to mislead the American public, saying the U. N. resolution "does not mean that military action is imminent or unavoidable."5
Earth to bunge. Congress passed the resolution giving their blessing to Bush's war. Can you hear us bunge? Bunge? Bunge come in?
Yeah, and we gave congress the power to authorize war. That doesn't mean I'm directly responsible. Gun makes make guns, that doesn't mean they're responsible when a gun owner shoots someone. Bush was given the authority and responsibility to use war as a tool to solve a problem. He's responsible.
Yeah, and we gave congress the power to authorize war. That doesn't mean I'm directly responsible. Gun makes make guns, that doesn't mean they're responsible when a gun owner shoots someone. Bush was given the authority and responsibility to use war as a tool to solve a problem. He's responsible.
Why are you so afraid to share the blame with others that gave him the loaded gun?
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Originally posted by BR
You, as usual, are part of the problem.
Yawn. You are, as usual, part of the problem yourself. I'm in pro and anti threads to help dialogue. It's sad not to see the reverse. It's even more sad to read your drivel.
Originally posted by bunge
Yawn. You are, as usual, part of the problem yourself. I'm in pro and anti threads to help dialogue. It's sad not to see the reverse. It's even more sad to read your drivel.
You weren't trying to spark debate here. You were being a snide little asshole and everyone knows it. If you really wanted to spark debate, you could have expressed that desire without being an ass.
Originally posted by BR
It's this sort of "I told you so nyah nyah nyah nyah IN YOUR FACE BIATCH" mentality that ALSO stifles progress and FURTHER POLARIZES this nation.
NO KIDDING!!!!! BR You are 100% Correct!
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Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
NO KIDDING!!!!! BR You are 100% Correct!
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*laughs* Now who is stalking whom?
Originally posted by BR
*laughs* Now who is stalking whom?
Fellows
Originally posted by BR
You don't think the spineless democrat congressmen that only looked at their own reelection when they voted to support the Iraq War Resolution need to be fired?
Of course you don't. Damn partisan rat bastard.
The one who started this was Bush. You're not looking at the gravity of the situation. This cost many lives and many dollars. Bush started this. That's what makes this different. That and the fact that he's the president. The leader of our country. The place where the buck STOPS!
Originally posted by BR
It's this sort of "I told you so nyah nyah nyah nyah IN YOUR FACE BIATCH" mentality that ALSO stifles progress and FURTHER POLARIZES this nation.
You, as usual, are part of the problem.
Attempting to draw attention away from the matter at hand also stifles progress. It's time this matter was out in the open. How else can we learn from our mistakes?
If there's a little I told you so in this maybe the people who supported Bush in this matter should listen.
A small price to pay after all the smug pro war ( we've got to disarm Saddam ) comments we've heard over the past year.
We need to remember this.
Originally posted by jimmac
The one who started this was Bush. You're not looking at the gravity of the situation. This cost many lives and many dollars. Bush started this. That's what makes this different. That and the fact that he's the president. The leader of our country. The place where the buck STOPS!
Ever heard of checks and balances?
Originally posted by BR
Ever heard of checks and balances?
That changes nothing. The fact of the matter is this war was manufactured. By our president. Who lied about it.
That's unacceptable.
Originally posted by segovius
It may all be a moot point now, we are in for another war but Bush won't be starting it - Israel last night attacked Syria (15 miles north of Damascus - civilian casualties) and while I don't want to get into that old BS right now, the relevant point is that Bush's precedent of pre-emption (yes this strike IS pre-emption not retaliation) coupled with blind support for Israel and Sharon being the rabid dog of the ME all adds up to all out war in the region. It's on it's way.
No single person is to blame - not Bush, not Sharon, Arafat...not anyone. The escalation imo is due to a lack of respect for diplomacy at all levels in world leaders. Not that they lie (politicians always do) but that they use inflammatory language that stirs people up and singles out nations and people as 'evil' etc. It does the opposite of cooling things down and enables certain actions to be legitimised that would never otherwise be. That's why Israel can strike at Syria and no-one will do anything and because no-one will do anything then the 'terrorists' will do something.
At some point (very soon) it will hit crtitical mass and the ME will erupt into all out war. Imo we are 2 suicide bombs/retaliations away at the most.
Yes well we're not there yet.
However Bush for the most part is to blame.
He's the one who decided to knock the hornet's nest with a stick before more peaceful solutions could have been found.
And yes Bush did set a new standard of thumbing your nose at your neighbor.
Originally posted by jimmac
Yes well we're not there yet.
However Bush for the most part is to blame.
He's the one who decided to knock the hornet's nest with a stick before more peaceful solutions could have been found.
And yes Bush did set a new standard of thumbing your nose at your neighbor.
Again, do not forget the spineless democrats that passed the resolution.
Originally posted by BR
You weren't trying to spark debate here. You were being a snide little asshole and everyone knows it. If you really wanted to spark debate, you could have expressed that desire without being an ass.
You're sad.
Why blame congress when they didn't go to war?
Originally posted by bunge
You're sad.
Why blame congress when they didn't go to war?
Earth to bunge. Congress passed the resolution giving their blessing to Bush's war. Can you hear us bunge? Bunge? Bunge come in?
http://www.misleader.org/daily_misle...f10062003.html
I am afraid congress took the president on his word when they voted. Shame on them..
Bush's Decision to Invade Iraq Happened Days after September 11th, Despite His Assertions to the Contrary
President Bush's decision to attack Saddam Hussein was made within days after the September 11th suicide hijackings, even though Bush claimed on the eve of his invasion "the American people can know that every measure has been taken to avoid war."1
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has acknowledged that in the first weekend after September 11th "the disagreement was whether [invading Iraq] should be in the immediate response or whether you should concentrate simply on Afghanistan first."2
Privately, the President began making it known in March 2002 that the decision to invade Iraq was a foregone conclusion. In an unscheduled appearance with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Republican and Democratic Senators, Bush cursed Saddam and vowed, "We're taking him out." Weeks later, Vice President Dick Cheney said to a Senate Republican policy lunch that the question of attacking Iraq was not if, but when.3
The strategy of seeking United Nations approval for the invasion was hatched during an August dinner with Secretary of State Colin Powell at which "the agenda was not whether Iraq, but how."4 Publicly, though, the President continued to mislead the American public, saying the U. N. resolution "does not mean that military action is imminent or unavoidable."5
Originally posted by BR
Earth to bunge. Congress passed the resolution giving their blessing to Bush's war. Can you hear us bunge? Bunge? Bunge come in?
Yeah, and we gave congress the power to authorize war. That doesn't mean I'm directly responsible. Gun makes make guns, that doesn't mean they're responsible when a gun owner shoots someone. Bush was given the authority and responsibility to use war as a tool to solve a problem. He's responsible.
He's the last person that wants to go to war...
Sure.
Originally posted by BR
Again, do not forget the spineless democrats that passed the resolution.
There's a big difference between being spineless and premeditated.
Originally posted by bunge
Yeah, and we gave congress the power to authorize war. That doesn't mean I'm directly responsible. Gun makes make guns, that doesn't mean they're responsible when a gun owner shoots someone. Bush was given the authority and responsibility to use war as a tool to solve a problem. He's responsible.
Why are you so afraid to share the blame with others that gave him the loaded gun?
Originally posted by BR
Why are you so afraid to share the blame with others that gave him the loaded gun?
Congress is just as much to blame for the war as Bush. Congress has a duty to perform due diligence over such matters just as much as the President.
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