Grrr! Too many songs missing from iTMS

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in iPod + iTunes + AppleTV edited January 2014
This is really starting to bug me. They don't even have Led Zeppelin or the soundtrack to Good Will Hunting. I was under the impression that all of the major labels and a growing number of independent labels had signed on with Apple. So where's the mighty Zeppelin?



Sorry, but I've been trying to convince my wife how cool iTMS is and it seems that every song she wants isn't available. Vent over.
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  • Reply 1 of 21
    Some songs will never appear in the ITMS for various reasons but here's one major one...



    I just checked out the CDDB for it's latest song total it has a record for.



    28,235,026



    Now, the ITMS started with 200,000 songs and his growing all of the time, but as you can see there's a lot of songs out there.



    If you really want to get certain artists on the ITMS, you might try contacting their publisher and saying you would buy their music if they were on the ITMS.
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  • Reply 2 of 21
    macsrgood4umacsrgood4u Posts: 3,007member
    The publisher of a song has nothing to do with it being on iTMS. It is the record label/artist that determines whether a particular recording is made available. Publishers license songs to record companies for an artist to record. The label has the final say as to whether they want to license the recording. (In some cases the artist may also have a say).
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  • Reply 3 of 21
    endymionendymion Posts: 375member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by MacsRGood4U

    The publisher of a song has nothing to do with it being on iTMS. It is the record label/artist that determines whether a particular recording is made available.



    That's basically what I meant. I was just using "publisher" as a generic term to represent whoever holds the distribution rights, but I can see where that can be confusing in this context. Since in the music industry there are record labels and publishers that are 2 different things. Thanks for the clarification.
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  • Reply 4 of 21
    No problem. I've been in the music biz for 40 years. There has always been some confusion to some people (not meaning you). There are so many elements involved in the final product the consumer gets.
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  • Reply 5 of 21
    jbljbl Posts: 555member
    I understand that some songs will never show up because someone objects but I don't understand why that seems to be most songs. I have gone to the iTMS many times looking for a particular song. So far I only got one hit. It looks to me like, for the music I am interested in buying they have less than 10%. That strikes me as pretty bad.
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  • Reply 6 of 21
    Your song interest are yours. Other people may not like what you like. That's why there are record stores and CDs. iTMS and all on line music sites cannot be all things to all people. There are just too many choices available for them to please everyone. They try to please the majority. There are plenty of songs and artists that I like that aren't on iTMS. So what? You can go elsewhere as I said.
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  • Reply 7 of 21
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    You can also request titles and artists from within iTunes, and submit your requests to Apple. In some cases (Zep) the artists in question are lawyer-driven institutions who probably think the 'net is some weird scary place where hackers punks steal everything. Add that to the fact that iTMS just isn't that appealing to acts that are already household names with worldwide distribution, and it'll be a good while before they appear. AC/DC are probably still trying to get their heads around CDs, let alone MP3s or AAC.



    As far as taking care of minority tastes: The indies are coming. Not as quickly as we'd hoped (the original intent was September) but they're coming. And since the labels will rip the tunes, not Apple, there will be a flood followed by a nice, steady stream from those sources.
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  • Reply 8 of 21
    jbljbl Posts: 555member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by MacsRGood4U

    Your song interest are yours. Other people may not like what you like. That's why there are record stores and CDs. iTMS and all on line music sites cannot be all things to all people. There are just too many choices available for them to please everyone. They try to please the majority. There are plenty of songs and artists that I like that aren't on iTMS. So what? You can go elsewhere as I said.



    But I thought the idea behind online distribution was that you could have a really broad range of choices because distribution is really cheap. It isn't worth it to a record store to carry something that one customer in a hundred thousand is interested in because they need to turn over the stuff sitting on their shelves. Similarly, it isn't worth it to manufacture CDs that are not going to sell in bulk. But since the only real cost to Apple is a couple hundred K of disk space they can afford to have things that don't make lots of sales. Besides, a lot of what I am looking for is not that rare. The crummy solo version of "Warewolves of London" was on their top sellers for a while; it is hard to imagine that the regular version would not sell better.
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  • Reply 9 of 21
    macsrgood4umacsrgood4u Posts: 3,007member
    Distribution may be "cheap", but rights are not neccesarily cheap. If you're used to getting songs illegally, then of course sites like iTMS may be wanting. You still have other choices.
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  • Reply 10 of 21
    jbljbl Posts: 555member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by MacsRGood4U

    Distribution may be "cheap", but rights are not neccesarily cheap. If you're used to getting songs illegally, then of course sites like iTMS may be wanting. You still have other choices.



    Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about



    Are you saying that Apple has to pay licensing fees to put songs on the iTMS? That seems pretty unlikely to me. Or are you saying that the artists who are not represented on the iTMS charge more per song for rights than the people who are on the iTMS? That doesn't make much sense to me either since, in general, the biggest names are there and it would surprise me if the biggest names charged less. But if it isn't one of those two things, how is the cost of the rights a reason not to put the music on the iTMS? What am I missing?
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  • Reply 11 of 21
    rokrok Posts: 3,519member
    hey, iTMS has every cd released by "toad the wet sprocket," which both amazed me, and made me pretty happy.



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  • Reply 12 of 21
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by rok

    hey, iTMS has every cd released by "toad the wet sprocket," which both amazed me, and made me pretty happy.







    yea, ttws is good
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  • Reply 13 of 21
    hobbeshobbes Posts: 1,252member
    Grrr is right. I would spend a shameless amount of money at iTMS if they had many more independent labels.



    Hopefully more will be coming soon.
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  • Reply 14 of 21
    flounderflounder Posts: 2,674member
    I think people need to remember that it's only been out for five months.



    Patience people!
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  • Reply 15 of 21
    bartobarto Posts: 2,246member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by JBL

    Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about



    Are you saying that Apple has to pay licensing fees to put songs on the iTMS? That seems pretty unlikely to me. Or are you saying that the artists who are not represented on the iTMS charge more per song for rights than the people who are on the iTMS? That doesn't make much sense to me either since, in general, the biggest names are there and it would surprise me if the biggest names charged less. But if it isn't one of those two things, how is the cost of the rights a reason not to put the music on the iTMS? What am I missing?




    For each song download, the record lable gets 70¢ and Apple keeps 30¢



    That is the contract Apple adopts with every single company that signs up for iTMS. No exceptions.



    Barto
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  • Reply 16 of 21
    dmband0026dmband0026 Posts: 2,345member
    just wait till we see it for windows, as well as in other countries. I'm sure at that point the list of avalible songs will skyrocket as more users demand more. The record labels will be unable to ignore this as well. They will finally have a good way to get people to stop stealing music. (buymusic.com doesn't count becuse it sucks royally). If people go to the iTMS and see that the songs they want aren't on there they will go right back to Kazaa. The record labels don't want that. Their will be more offerings in the near future. Just wait it out.
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  • Reply 17 of 21
    What's the long pole in the tent on expanding the number of songs on iTMS? Is it largely a logistical matter of readying millions of songs for download, labels that don't want to sign, artists that don't want to play along, or what?



    Using my Zeppelin example, Atlantic Records holds the distribution rights. Atlantic is now part of the Warner Music Group. And Warner has signed with iTMS. So why can't I get Zeppelin on iTMS?



    Anyone in the music business who understands these distribution matters feel free to chime in.
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  • Reply 18 of 21
    Hey, just go with the Dell music store. It RoXXors!



    (/sarcasm)





    Seriously, don't complain. iTMS is great as it is.
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  • Reply 19 of 21
    Beatles will make or break um one day I tell ya... one day...
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  • Reply 20 of 21
    dmband0026dmband0026 Posts: 2,345member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by DMBand0026

    just wait till we see it for windows, as well as in other countries. I'm sure at that point the list of avalible songs will skyrocket as more users demand more. The record labels will be unable to ignore this as well. They will finally have a good way to get people to stop stealing music. (buymusic.com doesn't count becuse it sucks royally). If people go to the iTMS and see that the songs they want aren't on there they will go right back to Kazaa. The record labels don't want that. Their will be more offerings in the near future. Just wait it out.



    See what I said. Look at the news article on the front page of AI. Plans for doubling the amount of available songs have been in place since August. I told you. Wait a week and we'll see what happens.
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