um, sdw, what are you talking about??? cnn.com reports nothing, and drudge.com (if that can even be considered a reliable source) reports the following:
ARN. SCHWARZENEGGER
2174216
31.52%
CRUZ BUSTAMANTE
2241097
32.48%
TOM McCLINTOCK
938661
13.61%
PETER CAMEJO
372134
5.39%
GARY COLEMAN
993038
14.39%
LARRY FLYNT
215328
3.12%
last i checked, 32.48% is HIGHER than 31.52%.
color me seriously confused.
(i am kinda amazed that gary coleman is getting close to a million votes)
um, sdw, what are you talking about??? cnn.com reports nothing, and drudge.com (if that can even be considered a reliable source) reports the following:
um, sdw, what are you talking about??? cnn.com reports nothing, and drudge.com (if that can even be considered a reliable source) reports the following:
ARN. SCHWARZENEGGER
2174216
31.52%
CRUZ BUSTAMANTE
2241097
32.48%
TOM McCLINTOCK
938661
13.61%
PETER CAMEJO
372134
5.39%
GARY COLEMAN
993038
14.39%
LARRY FLYNT
215328
3.12%
last i checked, 32.48% is HIGHER than 31.52%.
color me seriously confused.
(i am kinda amazed that gary coleman is getting close to a million votes)
That is great if true! The only person people should elect is Gary Coleman! Only in Cali!
looks like arnold is going to destroy anyone on this. at least he has a shot of getting over 50% of the vote, which to me is amazing considering how many canidates there were.
Dems should be happy for Arnold. It's very unlikely he'll be able to turn California around by 2004, and he'll of course be branded a failure. California will stay Democrat for sure and Bush will be gone.
With Davis in office through 2004, California could swing Republican and >50 electoral votes would go to Dubya.
looks like arnold is going to destroy anyone on this. at least he has a shot of getting over 50% of the vote, which to me is amazing considering how many canidates there were.
I have to agree. I wouldn't want to use the word "mandate" but with over 50% he would have won a general election with a majority.
To counter the illusion that this recall is somehow a right-wing conspiracy to steal an election (which is a load of crap), let me point out that I voted for Gray Davis in the last election, as well as the Green Party candidate for lieutenant governor. So, I'm far from right-wing. Personally, I'd consider myself moderate, since I'm a fiscal conservative.
I am one of the angry moderate voters who cast my ballot to recall Davis, and I voted for Schwarzneggar to replace him. If the exit polls are to be believed, I'm a very happy man right now.
Davis was a whore for special interests, lied about the size of the state deficit, and has signed some dangerous bills into law in the last few days in a desperate, failed grab for votes.
Knock Arnold all you want, but I've spent time examining his positions on various issues, and he couldn't be closer to home for me. He's fiscally conservative, but socially progressive on issues such as gay rights, abortion and the environment, the latter of which places him even further left than Davis.
Someone who has shot to the top of two separate careers is by no means stupid. Arnold has good advisors, and his charisma and passion for the job is a refreshing change. Even if he fails to accomplish more than 3 of the 10 initiatives he has promised to undertake, at least he's going to *try* to move California back in the proper direction.
A few observations from the heart of Los Angeles:
1. Once the ballots are counted and examined, this recall will show a large majority of moderate Democrats played a significant role in Davis' downfall, countering the "right wing conspiracy" theory.
2. The Los Angeles Times has crippled any credibility it ever had on covering political issues with its "October Surprise" against Arnold, which clearly backfired. When you have the L.A. Weekly--an extremely far-left alternative paper who picked Arianna Huffington as their candidate of choice--exposing the bias and connections to Democratic party machinery inherent in the allegations against Arnold, you can't get any more damning than that.
3. Religious right voters may have voted themselves into irrelevancy with this recall election. Arnold has proven that a moderate Republican is the only kind that can win in this state, and this thinking may extend nationally. Even with Tom McClintock in the race as a spoiler, Arnold may still get more than 50 percent of the vote. The Republican party nationally may see this as a bellwhether event, which may finally loosen the death grip that the religious right had on the party. This would please me greatly if this happens.
This recall is definitely an historic event that will be studied for many years to come.
But there's some concern about his ability to see things from the perspective of people outside his circle, like the poor and underpriveleged, the gay community (he openly called them fags back in the 70's), underpriveleged immigrants (inlcuding illegals), etc. Hopefully that's where Maria will step in with some guidance.
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a lot of people openly called gays fags in the 70s. a lot of people still do. i dont think that is any reason to judge his abilities and qualifications for governor though.
Comments
ARN. SCHWARZENEGGER
2174216
31.52%
CRUZ BUSTAMANTE
2241097
32.48%
TOM McCLINTOCK
938661
13.61%
PETER CAMEJO
372134
5.39%
GARY COLEMAN
993038
14.39%
LARRY FLYNT
215328
3.12%
last i checked, 32.48% is HIGHER than 31.52%.
color me seriously confused.
(i am kinda amazed that gary coleman is getting close to a million votes)
Davis's was tax high, spend high, business is an ATM with no daily limit and ignore real problems.
Originally posted by rok
um, sdw, what are you talking about??? cnn.com reports nothing, and drudge.com (if that can even be considered a reliable source) reports the following:
www.drudgereport.com
not
www.drudge.com
Originally posted by rok
um, sdw, what are you talking about??? cnn.com reports nothing, and drudge.com (if that can even be considered a reliable source) reports the following:
ARN. SCHWARZENEGGER
2174216
31.52%
CRUZ BUSTAMANTE
2241097
32.48%
TOM McCLINTOCK
938661
13.61%
PETER CAMEJO
372134
5.39%
GARY COLEMAN
993038
14.39%
LARRY FLYNT
215328
3.12%
last i checked, 32.48% is HIGHER than 31.52%.
color me seriously confused.
(i am kinda amazed that gary coleman is getting close to a million votes)
That is great if true! The only person people should elect is Gary Coleman! Only in Cali!
Originally posted by audiopollution
www.drudgereport.com
not
www.drudge.com
ah, thanks for the clarification. hadn't heard of either of them, so i wasn't sure where to go.
Originally posted by audiopollution
www.drudgereport.com
not
www.drudge.com
I was wondering what the hell he was talking about.
Originally posted by tonton
I was considering going back to Cali (to Cali, to Cali) but now it's like, "No, I don't think so". At least until I see how he does.
What are you saying here? What is it that you are so very concerned about with the prospect of Arnold being in and Davis out?
Please explain your viewpoint.
Fellows
Voted yes on the recall and voted for Tom McClintock.
Nick
Originally posted by tonton
LOL! It hink that's fiscal, but uh, yeah. ....
Uh yea. Brain fart on my part
http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/summary.html
Originally posted by Eugene
Schwartzman must have gotten all his votes because it looks sorta like Schwarzenegger... See below...
http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/summary.html
I wonder if Schwartzman admires Hitler as much as Schwarzenegger.
Originally posted by tonton
We already knew who the illiterates were intending to vote for. This just confirms it.
/me applies litmus paper to tonton
Yup, very high pH...very bitter.
It actually means Arnold's not getting as many votes as he should!
With Davis in office through 2004, California could swing Republican and >50 electoral votes would go to Dubya.
Originally posted by alcimedes
looks like arnold is going to destroy anyone on this. at least he has a shot of getting over 50% of the vote, which to me is amazing considering how many canidates there were.
I have to agree. I wouldn't want to use the word "mandate" but with over 50% he would have won a general election with a majority.
I am one of the angry moderate voters who cast my ballot to recall Davis, and I voted for Schwarzneggar to replace him. If the exit polls are to be believed, I'm a very happy man right now.
Davis was a whore for special interests, lied about the size of the state deficit, and has signed some dangerous bills into law in the last few days in a desperate, failed grab for votes.
Knock Arnold all you want, but I've spent time examining his positions on various issues, and he couldn't be closer to home for me. He's fiscally conservative, but socially progressive on issues such as gay rights, abortion and the environment, the latter of which places him even further left than Davis.
Someone who has shot to the top of two separate careers is by no means stupid. Arnold has good advisors, and his charisma and passion for the job is a refreshing change. Even if he fails to accomplish more than 3 of the 10 initiatives he has promised to undertake, at least he's going to *try* to move California back in the proper direction.
A few observations from the heart of Los Angeles:
1. Once the ballots are counted and examined, this recall will show a large majority of moderate Democrats played a significant role in Davis' downfall, countering the "right wing conspiracy" theory.
2. The Los Angeles Times has crippled any credibility it ever had on covering political issues with its "October Surprise" against Arnold, which clearly backfired. When you have the L.A. Weekly--an extremely far-left alternative paper who picked Arianna Huffington as their candidate of choice--exposing the bias and connections to Democratic party machinery inherent in the allegations against Arnold, you can't get any more damning than that.
3. Religious right voters may have voted themselves into irrelevancy with this recall election. Arnold has proven that a moderate Republican is the only kind that can win in this state, and this thinking may extend nationally. Even with Tom McClintock in the race as a spoiler, Arnold may still get more than 50 percent of the vote. The Republican party nationally may see this as a bellwhether event, which may finally loosen the death grip that the religious right had on the party. This would please me greatly if this happens.
This recall is definitely an historic event that will be studied for many years to come.
GTSC
Originally posted by tonton
But there's some concern about his ability to see things from the perspective of people outside his circle, like the poor and underpriveleged, the gay community (he openly called them fags back in the 70's), underpriveleged immigrants (inlcuding illegals), etc. Hopefully that's where Maria will step in with some guidance.
.
a lot of people openly called gays fags in the 70s. a lot of people still do. i dont think that is any reason to judge his abilities and qualifications for governor though.