Well, I think that sucks. Who wants to bet the Recall will be Recalled?
Shawn with all due respect if the democrats decide to forge ahead in the early days of an Arnold admin. pressing for a recall it would be one of the biggest mistakes the democrats would be working towards to date.
The democrats should listen to the voters and I think the voters spoke very clearly. Sure the democrats can try to recall Arnold and the money is already "on the table" to do just that about $3,000,000 so far. If they make the effort to do such will it benefit the democrats? That is the real question. My personal opinion is that the democrats would be digging a bigger hole for themselves if they go down the recall road. All power to the democrats
I agree, and these kinds of tactics are not usually the type of thing Dems like doing. Any money would be better used for strong lobbying of social programs or in preparation for the next election.
Shawn with all due respect if the democrats decide to forge ahead in the early days of an Arnold admin. pressing for a recall it would be one of the biggest mistakes the democrats would be working towards to date.
The democrats should listen to the voters and I think the voters spoke very clearly. Sure the democrats can try to recall Arnold and the money is already "on the table" to do just that about $3,000,000 so far. If they make the effort to do such will it benefit the democrats? That is the real question. My personal opinion is that the democrats would be digging a bigger hole for themselves if they go down the recall road. All power to the democrats
Fellowship
I HOPE the Democrats try to recall the recall. Since there is predicted record turn out it will be interesting to see them try. The recall does require a percent (which I no longer recall (pun intended)) of the previous vote. It has been said that the turn out for this recall was higher than the vote for governor so they would likely need quite a few more votes. They would need I believe at probably at least 1.5 million people to sign a petition and have the signatures verified.
Let them qualify it, have the money spent and then I'll vote NO against it thus wasting all their time and money.
It does reflect on his ability to see things from others' perspective, and to show respect for people who might be different from himself. I was just a child in the 70's, and even then I knew that "fag" was a derogatory term that should never, ever be used, just like "nigger". But maybe Arnold has grown since then. To a level of social tolerance I had already attained by the time I was eight.
TOTALLY OFF TOPIC BY ME....
Speaking of the word fag... I watched Eddie Murphy Raw at a friends house the other night and the whole first 20 minutes was him and the word fag. I hadn't heard anyone use that word in so long it was really quite startling to me.
I wonder if people of color stopped using the word "nigga" if we would have the same type of shock when hearing it used.
a lot of people openly called gays fags in the 70s. a lot of people still do. i dont think that is any reason to judge his abilities and qualifications for governor though.
OK, but the fact that he's a celebrity, which is the reason probably 95% of his voters voted for him, is a good reason?
I HOPE the Democrats try to recall the recall. Since there is predicted record turn out it will be interesting to see them try. The recall does require a percent (which I no longer recall (pun intended)) of the previous vote.
12%
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It has been said that the turn out for this recall was higher than the vote for governor so they would likely need quite a few more votes. They would need I believe at probably at least 1.5 million people to sign a petition and have the signatures verified.
Let them qualify it, have the money spent and then I'll vote NO against it thus wasting all their time and money.
For the record I would hope the democrats avoid the path of a potential recall of Arnold. I wish to see the democrats work with Arnold for the benefit of all people in California. The people of California need to work together and I believe Arnold is in the middle. I see his being in the middle as why he won with such support. Extreme left or extreme right is not always good for good government on behalf of all people. I wish for a cooperation of all parties.
How so? We all know he is against gay marriage (ignoring his blunderous gaffe). Gay marriage is a very simple issue, and the obvious next step toward greater social acceptance and eventual equality. No one who is against gay marriage can be called "socially progressive" on the issue of gay rights.
Politics, including gay rights, is a game of inches.
Arnold is in favor of domestic partnership rights, which give gay couples important protections under the law. We can argue whether this creates a "separate but equal" situation regarding how society views gay relationships, but American society as a whole is not ready for full-fledged gay marriage... not yet. But gay couples, protected by expanded rights including adoption, shared property, and hospital visitation, all of which exist now under CA law (admittedly, thanks to Davis), will show over time that they are not a threat to "normal" families, I think that full marriage status will be next.
But that will take time. Until then, Arnold will not set back what has already been won in CA.
I admire Arnold placing such measure on reaching out to all parties of CA.
Fellows
I don't think there has EVER been a victory speech without "reaching out". It's called politics. Victory speeches are incomplete without the "reaching out" and without the mention of the "gracious call" by the defeated opponent. I was just talking to a friend, and someone mentioned it earlier....if Ahhnold screws up it could hurt Bush 04.
I had said on another thread that I thought this Recall would help energize the CA Reps. My 20 year old nephew and his friends voted for Ahhnold because it was the "cool" thing to do for guys their age. They thought it was funny. These younger voters would have never gotten involved without a candidate such as Ahhnold/Terminator that they could relate too.
Ahhnold does well= it energizes the CA Reps for next year...massive boost to Bush 04
Ooh, someone mentioned the word conspiracy. There was no right wing conspiracy. They just effectively "stole" an election. Davis won 9 months ago. Within weeks, the Recall machine wheels were turning. The official Recall domain name was registered back in January. Issa financed the thing and then dropped out once the Recall was official.
All this with a big prize in mind. To help Bush in 2004...not because of anticipating re-election troubles...just planning ahead.
2. The Los Angeles Times has crippled any credibility it ever had on covering political issues with its "October Surprise" against Arnold, which clearly backfired. When you have the L.A. Weekly--an extremely far-left alternative paper who picked Arianna Huffington as their candidate of choice--exposing the bias and connections to Democratic party machinery inherent in the allegations against Arnold, you can't get any more damning than that.
I find it interesting you would say someting like this when it is a point in fact that Los Angeles AM & FM Radio is/was completely dominated with pro Schwarzenegger propaganda. Every show from Howard Stern to KFI's John & Ken to Bill Handle to the usual suspects of Limbaugh and Hannity paraded Schwarzy around, constantly and continuously hammering anti-Davis/pro-Schwarzy sound bites.
So, when a liberal leaning newspaper (who sells newspapers to a liberal leaning city-shock, gasp!) reports something contrary to the constant, daily morning drone of the Schwarzy love affair on AM radio, its considered a SCANDAL! Please! More right-wing propaganda that crams the idea that right-wing leaning media is noble and just (ie Fox) and left leaning media is dangerous and reviled (LA Times). Now they're going to boycott the newspaper! Imagine if the Dems decried that they were going to boycott AM talk radio....
I would think AM radio would lean conservative when it comes to broadcast media. It's the "outmoded" format after all. Even on non-politically inclined radio shows, you hear the conservative bias. KNBR used to carry Rush Limbaugh for example. The show I listen to every morning has a rather conservative, but ****in' funny host.
Northgate: you make some valid points. I was watching tv late Monday night...the reporter said that a "WHOPPING" 1000 people had cancelled suscriptions to the LA Times...the next day(9 hours later)O'Reilly said that THOUSANDS had already cancelled suscriptions to the times.
I am pleased with the result of the recall election. I voted Yes and for Arnold. I have some major reservations with him including my disgust for his statement that he wants prayer in schools, however, the alternative was much more scary.
When Gray Davis decided to pander to the illegal-alien-sympathizer vote by passing the driver's license bill he twice rejected in the past, that sealed the deal for me. I'm tired of politics as usual.
I was terrified of Cruz Bustamante. Businesses are leaving this state by the droves and he wants to finance our debt by raising the taxation of businesses MORE. Gee, I wonder how that would affect a business relocation decision. Furthermore, Bustamecha wanted to give those that cut in line ahead of all of the legal immigrants, whom I welcome with open arms to this nation, MORE BENEFITS. His excuse is that our economy "relies upon illegals." Well, then fix the economy: let old, failing industries die and reverse anti-business policies that force these companies to illegally hire illegal aliens.
I actually wanted Peter Ueberoff. It's a shame he dropped out so soon. Unfortunately a vote for anyone but Arnold was a vote in favor of Bustamante. There was no way I could live with myself if such a vote for a libertarian candidate prevented Arnold from getting enough votes to beat the ticking time bomb that is Cruz Bustamante...that lying bastard.
I'm disappinted that Prop 54 did not pass. Cruz Bustamante led a campaign of blatant lies claiming it would destroy medical research when subsection J CLEARLY STATES that otherwise legal medical classifications by race are exempt. Prop 209 already forbids the state from discriminating or giving preference to any person based on race, color, religion, creed, or national origin. Prop 54 would simply make the state color blind, with obvious exceptions where knowing race is important, such as in law enforcement and medicine. What a shame Bustamante's sick, hideous, blatant lies helped strike this excellent proposition down.
What scares me is that with Schwarzneggaar the tendency in modern democracies to elect the most populistic candidates regardles of their proposals has received a further boost.
Arnold is not dumb, but he is an actor, he know zero about how to run a state.
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Originally posted by ShawnJ
Well, I think that sucks. Who wants to bet the Recall will be Recalled?
Shawn with all due respect if the democrats decide to forge ahead in the early days of an Arnold admin. pressing for a recall it would be one of the biggest mistakes the democrats would be working towards to date.
The democrats should listen to the voters and I think the voters spoke very clearly. Sure the democrats can try to recall Arnold and the money is already "on the table" to do just that about $3,000,000 so far. If they make the effort to do such will it benefit the democrats? That is the real question. My personal opinion is that the democrats would be digging a bigger hole for themselves if they go down the recall road. All power to the democrats
Fellowship
Originally posted by tonton
I agree, and these kinds of tactics are not usually the type of thing Dems like doing. Any money would be better used for strong lobbying of social programs or in preparation for the next election.
Spot on!
Fellowship
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Shawn with all due respect if the democrats decide to forge ahead in the early days of an Arnold admin. pressing for a recall it would be one of the biggest mistakes the democrats would be working towards to date.
The democrats should listen to the voters and I think the voters spoke very clearly. Sure the democrats can try to recall Arnold and the money is already "on the table" to do just that about $3,000,000 so far. If they make the effort to do such will it benefit the democrats? That is the real question. My personal opinion is that the democrats would be digging a bigger hole for themselves if they go down the recall road. All power to the democrats
Fellowship
I HOPE the Democrats try to recall the recall. Since there is predicted record turn out it will be interesting to see them try. The recall does require a percent (which I no longer recall (pun intended)) of the previous vote. It has been said that the turn out for this recall was higher than the vote for governor so they would likely need quite a few more votes. They would need I believe at probably at least 1.5 million people to sign a petition and have the signatures verified.
Let them qualify it, have the money spent and then I'll vote NO against it thus wasting all their time and money.
Nick
Originally posted by tonton
It does reflect on his ability to see things from others' perspective, and to show respect for people who might be different from himself. I was just a child in the 70's, and even then I knew that "fag" was a derogatory term that should never, ever be used, just like "nigger". But maybe Arnold has grown since then. To a level of social tolerance I had already attained by the time I was eight.
TOTALLY OFF TOPIC BY ME....
Speaking of the word fag... I watched Eddie Murphy Raw at a friends house the other night and the whole first 20 minutes was him and the word fag. I hadn't heard anyone use that word in so long it was really quite startling to me.
I wonder if people of color stopped using the word "nigga" if we would have the same type of shock when hearing it used.
Nick
Originally posted by applenut
a lot of people openly called gays fags in the 70s. a lot of people still do. i dont think that is any reason to judge his abilities and qualifications for governor though.
OK, but the fact that he's a celebrity, which is the reason probably 95% of his voters voted for him, is a good reason?
Originally posted by trumptman
I HOPE the Democrats try to recall the recall. Since there is predicted record turn out it will be interesting to see them try. The recall does require a percent (which I no longer recall (pun intended)) of the previous vote.
12%
Quote:
It has been said that the turn out for this recall was higher than the vote for governor so they would likely need quite a few more votes. They would need I believe at probably at least 1.5 million people to sign a petition and have the signatures verified.
Let them qualify it, have the money spent and then I'll vote NO against it thus wasting all their time and money.
Nick
Exactly
Fellowship
For the record I would hope the democrats avoid the path of a potential recall of Arnold. I wish to see the democrats work with Arnold for the benefit of all people in California. The people of California need to work together and I believe Arnold is in the middle. I see his being in the middle as why he won with such support. Extreme left or extreme right is not always good for good government on behalf of all people. I wish for a cooperation of all parties.
Fellowship
Originally posted by tonton
How so? We all know he is against gay marriage (ignoring his blunderous gaffe). Gay marriage is a very simple issue, and the obvious next step toward greater social acceptance and eventual equality. No one who is against gay marriage can be called "socially progressive" on the issue of gay rights.
Politics, including gay rights, is a game of inches.
Arnold is in favor of domestic partnership rights, which give gay couples important protections under the law. We can argue whether this creates a "separate but equal" situation regarding how society views gay relationships, but American society as a whole is not ready for full-fledged gay marriage... not yet. But gay couples, protected by expanded rights including adoption, shared property, and hospital visitation, all of which exist now under CA law (admittedly, thanks to Davis), will show over time that they are not a threat to "normal" families, I think that full marriage status will be next.
But that will take time. Until then, Arnold will not set back what has already been won in CA.
GTSC
Originally posted by tonton
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Originally posted by BR
I'm fed up with these jackasses that WANT to see the other party screw up.
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Originally posted by trumptman
I HOPE the Democrats try to recall the recall.
But I imagine the folks around here are too partisan to admit what you've pointed out, tonton.
Fellows
clearly you're making a bigger deal out of it then it was to voters.
aka, move on
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
I admire Arnold placing such measure on reaching out to all parties of CA.
Fellows
I don't think there has EVER been a victory speech without "reaching out". It's called politics. Victory speeches are incomplete without the "reaching out" and without the mention of the "gracious call" by the defeated opponent. I was just talking to a friend, and someone mentioned it earlier....if Ahhnold screws up it could hurt Bush 04.
I had said on another thread that I thought this Recall would help energize the CA Reps. My 20 year old nephew and his friends voted for Ahhnold because it was the "cool" thing to do for guys their age. They thought it was funny. These younger voters would have never gotten involved without a candidate such as Ahhnold/Terminator that they could relate too.
Ahhnold does well= it energizes the CA Reps for next year...massive boost to Bush 04
He does poorly, he hurts Bush 04...
Enough for tonight...it's Lakers 03-04 time baby!
All this with a big prize in mind. To help Bush in 2004...not because of anticipating re-election troubles...just planning ahead.
Originally posted by Gandalf the Semi-Coherent
2. The Los Angeles Times has crippled any credibility it ever had on covering political issues with its "October Surprise" against Arnold, which clearly backfired. When you have the L.A. Weekly--an extremely far-left alternative paper who picked Arianna Huffington as their candidate of choice--exposing the bias and connections to Democratic party machinery inherent in the allegations against Arnold, you can't get any more damning than that.
I find it interesting you would say someting like this when it is a point in fact that Los Angeles AM & FM Radio is/was completely dominated with pro Schwarzenegger propaganda. Every show from Howard Stern to KFI's John & Ken to Bill Handle to the usual suspects of Limbaugh and Hannity paraded Schwarzy around, constantly and continuously hammering anti-Davis/pro-Schwarzy sound bites.
So, when a liberal leaning newspaper (who sells newspapers to a liberal leaning city-shock, gasp!) reports something contrary to the constant, daily morning drone of the Schwarzy love affair on AM radio, its considered a SCANDAL! Please! More right-wing propaganda that crams the idea that right-wing leaning media is noble and just (ie Fox) and left leaning media is dangerous and reviled (LA Times). Now they're going to boycott the newspaper!
When Gray Davis decided to pander to the illegal-alien-sympathizer vote by passing the driver's license bill he twice rejected in the past, that sealed the deal for me. I'm tired of politics as usual.
I was terrified of Cruz Bustamante. Businesses are leaving this state by the droves and he wants to finance our debt by raising the taxation of businesses MORE. Gee, I wonder how that would affect a business relocation decision. Furthermore, Bustamecha wanted to give those that cut in line ahead of all of the legal immigrants, whom I welcome with open arms to this nation, MORE BENEFITS. His excuse is that our economy "relies upon illegals." Well, then fix the economy: let old, failing industries die and reverse anti-business policies that force these companies to illegally hire illegal aliens.
I actually wanted Peter Ueberoff. It's a shame he dropped out so soon. Unfortunately a vote for anyone but Arnold was a vote in favor of Bustamante. There was no way I could live with myself if such a vote for a libertarian candidate prevented Arnold from getting enough votes to beat the ticking time bomb that is Cruz Bustamante...that lying bastard.
I'm disappinted that Prop 54 did not pass. Cruz Bustamante led a campaign of blatant lies claiming it would destroy medical research when subsection J CLEARLY STATES that otherwise legal medical classifications by race are exempt. Prop 209 already forbids the state from discriminating or giving preference to any person based on race, color, religion, creed, or national origin. Prop 54 would simply make the state color blind, with obvious exceptions where knowing race is important, such as in law enforcement and medicine. What a shame Bustamante's sick, hideous, blatant lies helped strike this excellent proposition down.
Arnold is not dumb, but he is an actor, he know zero about how to run a state.