you need to reevaluate what really matters in life.
if you really feel like the mention of God in some things like that is so bad, you have a great life.
i'm tired of the PC crap.
It has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with taking a beautiful, uniting pledge and turning it into a divisive one. When the pledge was changed in 1954, President Ike made it quite clear that you can't be a patriot if you aren't religious.
"In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war."
"In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war."
-President Eisenhower, June 1954
which he wrote after boinking his secratary! he was filled with the holy spirit.
Prosecution - The institution and conduct of a legal proceeding.
Persecution - The act or practice of persecuting on the basis of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs that differ from those of the persecutor.
i'm willing to hear opinions, just ones that make sense and arent based on BAH, ITS RELIGIOUS< GET RID OF IT EVERYWHERE> IM SCARED OF THINGS THAT MENTION GOD.
And what is your justification for leaving the Pledge as it is? Because it only "mentions" our nation under a singular supreme deity? I'm scared of neanderthal opinions that exclude any other type of religion except monotheism. It's not even religious in the sense that it endorses all religion- just a particular type. If I am Buddhist, Hindu, or any religion with more than one supreme deity, are my Gods even mentioned in the Pledge? No- and neither is a reference to more than one god. So please take your divisive position and give that a bit of "reevaluation."
so, if God was removed you would still be against it being recited?
not in all circumstances. heck, any adult should be allowed to recite (and in some jobs, required to -- like government jobs where allegiance to the u.s. is essential). there is a place for it... i just don't see why that place is in our school system.
i just don't think it's right to have children pledging allegiance to anything they do not, as of yet, understand fully. the older i have gotten, the stranger it has looked to me to see a class of seven year olds droning on about "pledge allegiance to the flag"... i mean, i was a sharp little guy, but i doubt i truly understood the depth of what the heck i was being asked to say.
And what is your justification for leaving the Pledge as it is? Because it only "mentions" our nation under a singular supreme deity? I'm scared of neanderthal opinions that exclude any other type of religion except monotheism. It's not even religious in the sense that it endorses all religion- just a particular type. If I am Buddhist, Hindu, or any religion with more than one supreme deity, are my Gods even mentioned in the Pledge? No- and neither is a reference to more than one god. So please take your divisive position and give that a bit of "reevaluation."
Actually, Hindus don't give a shit about "Under God" because they accept any name used to describe a deity.
And what is your justification for leaving the Pledge as it is? Because it only "mentions" our nation under a singular supreme deity? I'm scared of neanderthal opinions that exclude any other type of religion except monotheism. It's not even religious in the sense that it endorses all religion- just a particular type. If I am Buddhist, Hindu, or any religion with more than one supreme deity, are my Gods even mentioned in the Pledge? No- and neither is a reference to more than one god. So please take your divisive position and give that a bit of "reevaluation."
God doesn't have to interpreted as montheistic. cant God include all gods you believe in?
if you don't want to say it, don't. and as for the being ridiculed in class argument. i want to see a bunch of 7 year olds make fun of the kid who doesn't say it. hell, in my class there were a bunch of kids who paid no attention while saying it, not because of their beliefs but because they could care less or were talking to each other.
people make a bigger deal out of things that they really are.....cough...attention whores...cough.
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Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
How about "In Prosecution We Fear"
don't you mean persecution?
-Francis Bellamy, 1892
Originally posted by applenut
you need to reevaluate what really matters in life.
if you really feel like the mention of God in some things like that is so bad, you have a great life.
i'm tired of the PC crap.
It has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with taking a beautiful, uniting pledge and turning it into a divisive one. When the pledge was changed in 1954, President Ike made it quite clear that you can't be a patriot if you aren't religious.
"In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war."
-President Eisenhower, June 1954
Originally posted by BR
"In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war."
-President Eisenhower, June 1954
which he wrote after boinking his secratary! he was filled with the holy spirit.
Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar
don't you mean persecution?
Prosecution - The institution and conduct of a legal proceeding.
Persecution - The act or practice of persecuting on the basis of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs that differ from those of the persecutor.
(Definitions from www.dictionary.com)
Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar
don't you mean persecution?
That wouldn't be good.
Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar
which he wrote after boinking his secratary! he was filled with the holy spirit.
Which, if he was filled, comes back to the whole gay thing.
Originally posted by applenut
i'm willing to hear opinions, just ones that make sense and arent based on BAH, ITS RELIGIOUS< GET RID OF IT EVERYWHERE> IM SCARED OF THINGS THAT MENTION GOD.
And what is your justification for leaving the Pledge as it is? Because it only "mentions" our nation under a singular supreme deity? I'm scared of neanderthal opinions that exclude any other type of religion except monotheism. It's not even religious in the sense that it endorses all religion- just a particular type. If I am Buddhist, Hindu, or any religion with more than one supreme deity, are my Gods even mentioned in the Pledge? No- and neither is a reference to more than one god. So please take your divisive position and give that a bit of "reevaluation."
Originally posted by applenut
so, if God was removed you would still be against it being recited?
not in all circumstances. heck, any adult should be allowed to recite (and in some jobs, required to -- like government jobs where allegiance to the u.s. is essential). there is a place for it... i just don't see why that place is in our school system.
i just don't think it's right to have children pledging allegiance to anything they do not, as of yet, understand fully. the older i have gotten, the stranger it has looked to me to see a class of seven year olds droning on about "pledge allegiance to the flag"... i mean, i was a sharp little guy, but i doubt i truly understood the depth of what the heck i was being asked to say.
Originally posted by ShawnJ
And what is your justification for leaving the Pledge as it is? Because it only "mentions" our nation under a singular supreme deity? I'm scared of neanderthal opinions that exclude any other type of religion except monotheism. It's not even religious in the sense that it endorses all religion- just a particular type. If I am Buddhist, Hindu, or any religion with more than one supreme deity, are my Gods even mentioned in the Pledge? No- and neither is a reference to more than one god. So please take your divisive position and give that a bit of "reevaluation."
Actually, Hindus don't give a shit about "Under God" because they accept any name used to describe a deity.
Originally posted by BR
Actually, Hindus don't give a shit about "Under God" because they accept any name used to describe a deity.
They even include Jesus. They're cool.
Singular supreme diety is bad for our country.
Bad Dirty Joke Warning:
superkarate, wouldn't that mean that Ike's secretary was filled with the holy spirits?
ooh.....ikey! talk about the battle of the bulge!
Originally posted by applenut
did you say the pledge of allegience in school? I said it in elementary school but I went to a parochial school.
I went to a public school, and I can remember having to say 'Amen' afterwards. How ****ed up is that?
Originally posted by BR
Actually, Hindus don't give a shit about "Under God" because they accept any name used to describe a deity.
Cool. Bad example. Polytheistic religions do seem to be left behind in the Pledge though...
Originally posted by G4Dude
95% of Americans believe in god.
...and use Windows?.
Originally posted by 709
...and use Windows?.
.......one nation, under gates, indivisible.....
Originally posted by BR
Actually, Hindus don't give a shit about "Under God" because they accept any name used to describe a deity.
i read once that one of the main tenants of the hindu religion was whatever another hindu thought it was "all about" was to be tolerated.
many paths to god and all that.
i thought "hey, that's for me!"
so i picked up this book called "am i hindu" and well, hinduism is just...
well i'll just say, far out.
but i do like the tolerance bits.
one nation, under ganesha the elephant boy, indivisible....
Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar
.......one nation, under gates, indivisible.....
Better capitalize that 'g' there buddy, or spend eternity using 'XP Home Edition'.
Originally posted by ShawnJ
And what is your justification for leaving the Pledge as it is? Because it only "mentions" our nation under a singular supreme deity? I'm scared of neanderthal opinions that exclude any other type of religion except monotheism. It's not even religious in the sense that it endorses all religion- just a particular type. If I am Buddhist, Hindu, or any religion with more than one supreme deity, are my Gods even mentioned in the Pledge? No- and neither is a reference to more than one god. So please take your divisive position and give that a bit of "reevaluation."
God doesn't have to interpreted as montheistic. cant God include all gods you believe in?
if you don't want to say it, don't. and as for the being ridiculed in class argument. i want to see a bunch of 7 year olds make fun of the kid who doesn't say it. hell, in my class there were a bunch of kids who paid no attention while saying it, not because of their beliefs but because they could care less or were talking to each other.
people make a bigger deal out of things that they really are.....cough...attention whores...cough.