I'm sorry but the idea of a video ipod just seems pointless. It would be like transferring movies to your video camera tape and watching them on the camera's color LCD. Everyone knows, that while watching the movie on the LCD, you are constantly thinking "I can't wait to see this on my TV'. Now I can't see watching a 2 hour flick on a 4" screen, LOL, I"m sorry but that's just ridiculous. Not to mention there are current devices that do similar functions and none seem to be anywhere near popular. What would be the point? I don't see a target audience, pro or consumer. The iPod did go beyond it's market, no doubt, but you won't be watching a 4" screen playing Finding Nemo in your car while driving. You won't be playing video of that killer ollie on your snowboard. This thin won't record, it will only play. So it will be an mpeg player. So rather then 1 minute per mp3 to transfer, we're talking about waiting 10-15 minutes maybe so you can watch a bootleg of Pirates Of The Caribbean? Where are you gonna get these legal mpegs? Just so many reasons pile up to say a video ipod is dumb.
The iPod could already be used for video, if you use it to store your video files and play it back on your notebook or when you plug in on another computer. I can see the following scenerio: Apple releases a iTV which has a built in DVR, Ethernet, 802.11g and bluetooth. It integrates on your home network easily using Rendezvous. You can use your Mac to burn VideoCD's from the recorded broadcasts and you can synch up shows to your iPod.
When on the road, you can view shows on your notebook, or someone will release a color LCD attachment for direct viewing. I think Apple needs to release a Consumer display bit they need to innovate and add value to the whole digital ecology. Apple is currently ideologically against a Media Mac, but believes that DVR needs to be integrated on the Cable box or in the TV.
iPod becoming a DVR doesn't make sense for the same reason that a Media Mac doesn't. The iPod is designed to be on the go and will not always be connected to a broadcast signal. The Mac is designed to be a PC used by the household and may not be available to record a broadcast if it is being used for something else at the time. A built in DVR on a SD or HD display will always be connected to the broadcast signal and will be connected to the home network as well. Other uses can be that it can be used as a another display for a Mac over the home network. Since OS X is multi-user Unix, two users can be using the same Mac at the same time, or the iTV can be a rendezvous user to all the macs on the network, accessing their shared music, photos and video. So the iTV will add even greater value to the home network and digital hub.
Did you read my earlier post? Do the trigonometry, and figure out how big a 13" screen appears at 11 feet as compared to a 4" screen at 2 feet.
Unfortunately, while the human eye is quite comfortable looking at something 11 feet away for long periods it's not comfortable looking at something 2 feet away for long periods, and that goes double if it's low-contrast or low-resolution. That's how you get eyestrain and nearsightedness.
At least with books and conventional monitors you have the option of looking up and focusing on a more distant object every 15-20 minutes like you're supposed to. But that would be kind of annoying during a movie.
Unfortunately, while the human eye is quite comfortable looking at something 11 feet away for long periods it's not comfortable looking at something 2 feet away for long periods, and that goes double if it's low-contrast or low-resolution. That's how you get eyestrain and nearsightedness.
At least with books and conventional monitors you have the option of looking up and focusing on a more distant object every 15-20 minutes like you're supposed to. But that would be kind of annoying during a movie.
You may want to talk with the THX people about their viewing distance/angle calculations, then. (Although, they are assuming that you'll be turning away from the screen during a Lucas production everytime Jar Jar walks on-screen.)
Frankly, I find that I have to refocus away from the CRT drop-downs on flights every now and then. Rarely do you get a Wega quality screen on a flight ... I had no idea Cameron Diaz had green-tinged skin, until I watched Charlies Angels II a couple of weeks ago on the way to England. I'm not sure I could reconcile dating her any more.
a new Newton with 1.8" HD will play your video and music, plus you could do a whole lot more with it besides watching video.
$749 for a device that only plays video is an isane idea. I cant believe some of you peeps actually want the fabled vPod for $749. geez. Your too easy.
a new Newton with 1.8" HD will play your video and music, plus you could do a whole lot more with it besides watching video.
$749 for a device that only plays video is an isane idea. I cant believe some of you peeps actually want the fabled vPod for $749. geez. Your too easy.
Yup. We are.
The vPod would still retain the functionality of the iPod, just add a nice screen and video playback. So, if you were paying $499 (US) for a 40 Gig iPod, is an extra $250 for those video features worth it? To some, yes.
Overpriced? Maybe - but consider that the Archos AV300 40 Gig is retailing for the equivalent of approx. $850 (US) in England. And for that price you get a remarkably inelegant looking piece of gear.
That what im talking about right there!! That thing is awesome!
have all of you nay sayers checked that archos player out?
I cant get the specs on it becuase the specs link seems to be dead but from the looks of it I would say 5 - 8 " screen and it does not look like it would be DISPLEASING to watch for hours on end.
My view of this thing is that it only plays Mpeg 4. if Apple came out with a similar product that allowed you to view All quicktime formats - mpeg's, jpgs, etc it would be the coolest thing since a bondi blue in 98 (in my opinion)
And it would not be hurt iPod sales like many think. Its a whole new animal. a small camera or vid camera would be a nice add on.
This thing could be like a Quicktime Tablet err something with iPhoto and iMovie installed? edit your pics and video on a tablet? maybe too much but hey.
Yeah, ive checked it out. Its a load of ****. $900 and all it does is play mpegs and mp3s. Does it even have a calender feature or address book? That nice screen, and all it does is play video/pics and music. Its the price of a laptop, and only does a fraction of the tasks. Is the quality of the video from the Archos whatever thing gonna be anywhere near the quality of a Sony DV camcorder? I'm not biting.
Yeah, ive checked it out. Its a load of ****. $900 and all it does is play mpegs and mp3s. Does it even have a calender feature or address book? That nice screen, and all it does is play video/pics and music. Its the price of a laptop, and only does a fraction of the tasks. Is the quality of the video from the Archos whatever thing gonna be anywhere near the quality of a Sony DV camcorder? I'm not biting.
Yeah $900 bucks is a little steep. Its the concept of the whole thing that I like. A Quicktime Tablet should have some PDA like features for $749.
If Apple came out next week and decided that astronomy was cool and they made a new iApp called iSky and released a cool USB/FireWire telescope called iScope and really spent the next 6-9 months playing up the whole astronomy/space thing, how long do you think it would be before the other side put together their little half-ass version of it?
Microsoft Starz?. Dell SkyChart v1.0. Gateway AstroCam. Broderbund CosmoFactory?
That what im talking about right there!! That thing is awesome!
have all of you nay sayers checked that archos player out?
I cant get the specs on it becuase the specs link seems to be dead but from the looks of it I would say 5 - 8 " screen and it does not look like it would be DISPLEASING to watch for hours on end.
That thing is a dog. 3.8" screen and UP TO 640x368 @ 25 fps, MPEG-4 and mp3 and up to 3.5 hours of autonomy while playing vid.
Can't see myself splashing out 900 devalued buckaroos on something that silly. Besides, it's butt fugly.
640 x 368 @ 25fps is an odd ratio and playback rate isn't?
at this point there is a little voice in my head saying, "let go of the video thing already, cuz nobody is buying your story". \
But I can picture it already. it would come in silver and translucent graphite.
5-8" screen
Apple logo and then the Big blue Q for a startup screen
1027 x 768 no thats pusing it, maybe 800 x 600 res in thousands or millions.
Cool PDA features like calander, address book, note pad, Alarm clock etc with BIG icons at the home screen
plays All QT files regardless of aspect ratio or fps
plays QTVR too
you could probably be able make QTVR on the spot
since it MIGHT have a camera (camera maybe too
much for $749. a decent camera anyway
80GB HD
AV inputs grabs video in uncompressed DV or compressed formats ie mpeg
AV ouputs are analog and firewire
Oh you know what would be cool, if it had slots for added features like XM radio or a Cellphone chip, or some Apple card that would allow you to watch QT TV wirelessly. well that just opens the doors to GPS, SMS, WAP etc
Apple could even sell accessories for it that would allow you to mount the thing to your dashboard in place of your cars radio.
I think im on to somthing here because a laptop is a workhorse. you have to open it. type in it. micro manage keys and applications. you need to be seated correctly in front of it in order to use a laptop properly.
A QT tablet is a play thing. An easy to use tablet you watch video, TV even, its a photo album, listen to music, make a phone call, use it as a planner, It goes where you go, at home in your car at work.
Plug it into a TV or projector and watch a movie or home made iMovie or Music Video or anything else you can think of.
Edit:
you know what just came to mind after I posted this. Porn, I'm sure a lot of people would use it for video porn. Not what i'm into or anything and I'm sure Apple wouldn't go around saying hey, this thing would be great for porn. Its sort of an implied fact. According to CNN Americans alone spend more than 25 Billion Dollars a year on porn, more than they spend on movies and shows combined. You know some people are going to be like, "I can keep all my porn on this thing and take it with me wherever I go? Hmmmm.."
You may want to talk with the THX people about their viewing distance/angle calculations, then. (Although, they are assuming that you'll be turning away from the screen during a Lucas production everytime Jar Jar walks on-screen.)
Frankly, I find that I have to refocus away from the CRT drop-downs on flights every now and then. Rarely do you get a Wega quality screen on a flight ... I had no idea Cameron Diaz had green-tinged skin, until I watched Charlies Angels II a couple of weeks ago on the way to England. I'm not sure I could reconcile dating her any more.
Really? I walk by the TH in THX's office almost everyday. Maybe I'll ask his opinion on the matter.
Personally, I would not buy a product for watching video on such a small/low res screen -- just buy a Power/iBook. OTOH, I was just thinking the other day about how DV tapes only hold a few gigs and that a HDD video recorder might be quite useful... something lower-end than the $$ HD systems but faster than tape for DV-compressed NLE. Apple doesn't have their own iPod equivalent for video yet, do they?
On an aside, I only saw Charlies Angels II because one of my professors worked as lead sound FX editor on it. Had he not, I would not have.
My sister bought a portable DVD player with a very small screen for her 4 year old to watch cartoons while in the car and on trips. She would love a portable hard drive based system. Copy over her daughter's favorite DVDs, tapes and maybe some TV shows -- it would be fantastic.
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Originally posted by KidRed
Now I can't see watching a 2 hour flick on a 4" screen, LOL, I"m sorry but that's just ridiculous.
Did you read my earlier post? Do the trigonometry, and figure out how big a 13" screen appears at 11 feet as compared to a 4" screen at 2 feet.
There are situations where a vPod would be worthwhile.
When on the road, you can view shows on your notebook, or someone will release a color LCD attachment for direct viewing. I think Apple needs to release a Consumer display bit they need to innovate and add value to the whole digital ecology. Apple is currently ideologically against a Media Mac, but believes that DVR needs to be integrated on the Cable box or in the TV.
iPod becoming a DVR doesn't make sense for the same reason that a Media Mac doesn't. The iPod is designed to be on the go and will not always be connected to a broadcast signal. The Mac is designed to be a PC used by the household and may not be available to record a broadcast if it is being used for something else at the time. A built in DVR on a SD or HD display will always be connected to the broadcast signal and will be connected to the home network as well. Other uses can be that it can be used as a another display for a Mac over the home network. Since OS X is multi-user Unix, two users can be using the same Mac at the same time, or the iTV can be a rendezvous user to all the macs on the network, accessing their shared music, photos and video. So the iTV will add even greater value to the home network and digital hub.
Originally posted by audiopollution
Did you read my earlier post? Do the trigonometry, and figure out how big a 13" screen appears at 11 feet as compared to a 4" screen at 2 feet.
Unfortunately, while the human eye is quite comfortable looking at something 11 feet away for long periods it's not comfortable looking at something 2 feet away for long periods, and that goes double if it's low-contrast or low-resolution. That's how you get eyestrain and nearsightedness.
At least with books and conventional monitors you have the option of looking up and focusing on a more distant object every 15-20 minutes like you're supposed to. But that would be kind of annoying during a movie.
Originally posted by Amorph
Unfortunately, while the human eye is quite comfortable looking at something 11 feet away for long periods it's not comfortable looking at something 2 feet away for long periods, and that goes double if it's low-contrast or low-resolution. That's how you get eyestrain and nearsightedness.
At least with books and conventional monitors you have the option of looking up and focusing on a more distant object every 15-20 minutes like you're supposed to. But that would be kind of annoying during a movie.
You may want to talk with the THX people about their viewing distance/angle calculations, then.
Frankly, I find that I have to refocus away from the CRT drop-downs on flights every now and then. Rarely do you get a Wega quality screen on a flight ... I had no idea Cameron Diaz had green-tinged skin, until I watched Charlies Angels II a couple of weeks ago on the way to England. I'm not sure I could reconcile dating her any more.
$749 for a device that only plays video is an isane idea. I cant believe some of you peeps actually want the fabled vPod for $749. geez. Your too easy.
Originally posted by sillycybin
a new Newton with 1.8" HD will play your video and music, plus you could do a whole lot more with it besides watching video.
$749 for a device that only plays video is an isane idea. I cant believe some of you peeps actually want the fabled vPod for $749. geez. Your too easy.
Yup. We are.
The vPod would still retain the functionality of the iPod, just add a nice screen and video playback. So, if you were paying $499 (US) for a 40 Gig iPod, is an extra $250 for those video features worth it? To some, yes.
Overpriced? Maybe - but consider that the Archos AV300 40 Gig is retailing for the equivalent of approx. $850 (US) in England. And for that price you get a remarkably inelegant looking piece of gear.
C'mon Apple.
http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500570.html
Originally posted by contempt
Have you guys seen this: Archos today announced the 80gig Video Recorder. Hmmm, maybe the video iPod could become a reality?
http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500570.html
That what im talking about right there!! That thing is awesome!
have all of you nay sayers checked that archos player out?
I cant get the specs on it becuase the specs link seems to be dead but from the looks of it I would say 5 - 8 " screen and it does not look like it would be DISPLEASING to watch for hours on end.
My view of this thing is that it only plays Mpeg 4. if Apple came out with a similar product that allowed you to view All quicktime formats - mpeg's, jpgs, etc it would be the coolest thing since a bondi blue in 98 (in my opinion)
And it would not be hurt iPod sales like many think. Its a whole new animal. a small camera or vid camera would be a nice add on.
This thing could be like a Quicktime Tablet err something with iPhoto and iMovie installed? edit your pics and video on a tablet? maybe too much but hey.
Originally posted by sillycybin
Yeah, ive checked it out. Its a load of ****. $900 and all it does is play mpegs and mp3s. Does it even have a calender feature or address book? That nice screen, and all it does is play video/pics and music. Its the price of a laptop, and only does a fraction of the tasks. Is the quality of the video from the Archos whatever thing gonna be anywhere near the quality of a Sony DV camcorder? I'm not biting.
Yeah $900 bucks is a little steep. Its the concept of the whole thing that I like. A Quicktime Tablet should have some PDA like features for $749.
Originally posted by pscates
If Apple came out next week and decided that astronomy was cool and they made a new iApp called iSky and released a cool USB/FireWire telescope called iScope and really spent the next 6-9 months playing up the whole astronomy/space thing, how long do you think it would be before the other side put together their little half-ass version of it?
Microsoft Starz?. Dell SkyChart v1.0. Gateway AstroCam. Broderbund CosmoFactory?
You know I'm right...
Holy shit I want that.
Originally posted by xXTitaniumXx
That what im talking about right there!! That thing is awesome!
have all of you nay sayers checked that archos player out?
I cant get the specs on it becuase the specs link seems to be dead but from the looks of it I would say 5 - 8 " screen and it does not look like it would be DISPLEASING to watch for hours on end.
That thing is a dog. 3.8" screen and UP TO 640x368 @ 25 fps, MPEG-4 and mp3 and up to 3.5 hours of autonomy while playing vid.
Can't see myself splashing out 900 devalued buckaroos on something that silly. Besides, it's butt fugly.
-edit: spelling
Yeah Right. Don't I wish though.
3.8" screen is upsetting. 5 - 8" would be nice.
Turns out this thing is Mac compatible.
Too bad its $900 and only does mpeg4. and mp3
640 x 368 @ 25fps is an odd ratio and playback rate isn't?
at this point there is a little voice in my head saying, "let go of the video thing already, cuz nobody is buying your story".
But I can picture it already. it would come in silver and translucent graphite.
5-8" screen
Apple logo and then the Big blue Q for a startup screen
1027 x 768 no thats pusing it, maybe 800 x 600 res in thousands or millions.
Cool PDA features like calander, address book, note pad, Alarm clock etc with BIG icons at the home screen
plays All QT files regardless of aspect ratio or fps
plays QTVR too
you could probably be able make QTVR on the spot
since it MIGHT have a camera (camera maybe too
much for $749. a decent camera anyway
80GB HD
AV inputs grabs video in uncompressed DV or compressed formats ie mpeg
AV ouputs are analog and firewire
Oh you know what would be cool, if it had slots for added features like XM radio or a Cellphone chip, or some Apple card that would allow you to watch QT TV wirelessly. well that just opens the doors to GPS, SMS, WAP etc
Apple could even sell accessories for it that would allow you to mount the thing to your dashboard in place of your cars radio.
I think im on to somthing here because a laptop is a workhorse. you have to open it. type in it. micro manage keys and applications. you need to be seated correctly in front of it in order to use a laptop properly.
A QT tablet is a play thing. An easy to use tablet you watch video, TV even, its a photo album, listen to music, make a phone call, use it as a planner, It goes where you go, at home in your car at work.
Plug it into a TV or projector and watch a movie or home made iMovie or Music Video or anything else you can think of.
Edit:
you know what just came to mind after I posted this. Porn, I'm sure a lot of people would use it for video porn. Not what i'm into or anything and I'm sure Apple wouldn't go around saying hey, this thing would be great for porn. Its sort of an implied fact. According to CNN Americans alone spend more than 25 Billion Dollars a year on porn, more than they spend on movies and shows combined. You know some people are going to be like, "I can keep all my porn on this thing and take it with me wherever I go? Hmmmm.."
(not that i know anything about internet porn)
Originally posted by audiopollution
You may want to talk with the THX people about their viewing distance/angle calculations, then.
Frankly, I find that I have to refocus away from the CRT drop-downs on flights every now and then. Rarely do you get a Wega quality screen on a flight ... I had no idea Cameron Diaz had green-tinged skin, until I watched Charlies Angels II a couple of weeks ago on the way to England. I'm not sure I could reconcile dating her any more.
Really? I walk by the TH in THX's office almost everyday. Maybe I'll ask his opinion on the matter.
Personally, I would not buy a product for watching video on such a small/low res screen -- just buy a Power/iBook. OTOH, I was just thinking the other day about how DV tapes only hold a few gigs and that a HDD video recorder might be quite useful... something lower-end than the $$ HD systems but faster than tape for DV-compressed NLE. Apple doesn't have their own iPod equivalent for video yet, do they?
On an aside, I only saw Charlies Angels II because one of my professors worked as lead sound FX editor on it. Had he not, I would not have.
Originally posted by contempt
Have you guys seen this: Archos today announced the 80gig Video Recorder. Hmmm, maybe the video iPod could become a reality?
http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500570.html
My sister bought a portable DVD player with a very small screen for her 4 year old to watch cartoons while in the car and on trips. She would love a portable hard drive based system. Copy over her daughter's favorite DVDs, tapes and maybe some TV shows -- it would be fantastic.