It's "rare" that the government follows it? Certainly the prosecutor doesn't follow it. But then again s/he is the prosecutor. The cops investigate crimes but if they assumed everyone was innocent then maybe they would never investigate anyone.
So that leaves the courts. Do you really think the courts in this country "rare"ly assume the defendant to be innocent? Or was this just a dumb statement?
actually it is a statement that I have been through and many others.. someone accusing someone of something, adn right away, the person is locked up, cant do anything, and the false accuser is already being called the victim.. it happens every day, so take the "dumb statement" and shuv it up your ass.
Yea but that's what's rare. Most of the people locked up have done something. Everyone has a right to a trial and for the most part judges are fair. So take your unjustified cynicism and ...
Yea but that's what's rare. Most of the people locked up have done something. Everyone has a right to a trial and for the most part judges are fair. So take your unjustified cynicism and ...
unjustified, well, since you dont know me, you dont know its unjustified.. all I am saying is, in this country, people are not always treated as inoccent until proven guilty.. you dont like it, then tough, I dont give a crap, just like all you can do is trash peoples movie quotes... get a life.
unjustified, well, since you dont know me, you dont know its unjustified.. all I am saying is, in this country, people are not always treated as inoccent until proven guilty.. you dont like it, then tough, I dont give a crap, just like all you can do is trash peoples movie quotes... get a life.
Years ago (the 80s, maybe) there was a show (60 minutes?) that focused on the legal system in Communist China (or Red China as it was then referred to). Their premise was that the Chinese legal system is a sham and a trial merely a staged show. The police officially never made mistakes, so simply arresting someone meant they were guilty. What struck me was how similar that is to attitudes I see in the US. If someone is arrested, they must be guilty, at least in the minds of many people I encounter.
In reality, cops DO make mistakes in their investigations now and then. Corrupt cops have been known to plant evidence on occasion. Mistaken identity, revenge, and a whole host of reasons lead people to finger the wrong person. Sometimes, the person arrested really is totally innocent. Doesn't happen often, but just often enough that we have to take the "innocent until proven guilty" position seriously. Even when a person is obviously guilty, the prosecutors have been known to botch their cases and not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt (remember the OJ case?). So MJ is officially "innocent" until a jury decides he is actually guilty.
I watch the Countdown with Oberman last night and he had on the writer that did a vanity fair article on the accuser that MJ settled with in 93.
She says there was never any corroborating evidence... the parents were in a custody suit... the father had his dentist friend give his son a drug... under which you are very suggestible... THEN took him to a psychoanalyst...
Also... the current accuser is in a very similar situation. And his father was arrested for abusing him.
Sounds alot like a witch hunt.
I mean MJ is messed up for sure. But doesn't mean he's a pedophile. Also... if he was a pedophile there would be TONS of kids abused by him... as proven by the twisted priests where they had tens if not hundreds of accusers.
MJ may have a weird fascination with kids... doesn't meen he wants to abuse them. May mean he trusts them and not adults. who knows.
I saw a video-morphing of the old him to the currrent him on some TLC show or something. Scary shit. I guess the Diana Ross look got old even for him. Now he looks like the Aliens from Taken. I'm eagerly awaiting the Oprah special where he breaks down and admits "he needs help" and cries on her lap... any day now... should be the event of our lifetimes.
Maybe then he'll get help and we won't have to think about him anymore.
dont know, but something is striking me as not being right on the police side of things....
There was a statement saying that the police wanted to do this 3 weeks ago, but they held off doing it because they didnt want to interrupt a halloween party he was having for kids at the ranch.
This WAS on cnn, but it is not there any longer.. what struck me as strange is, if this guy is a pedophile, why would you delay and let him have a bunch of kids over for a party???
I saw that press conference, the cops were kidding around making jokes trying to get laughs and genuinely enjoying the attention: which is lame, this is a horrible crime that Jackson is being accused of...and for them to say they had the subpoena for a couple of weeks?
how embarrassing is this gonna be if they are thekeystone cops and screw it all up while mugging for the cameras?
A confidential investigation by Los Angeles police and child welfare officials concluded earlier this year that allegations Michael Jackson sexually abused a cancer-stricken boy were "unfounded," according to an internal government memo obtained by The Smoking Gun.
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Originally posted by Scott
It's "rare" that the government follows it? Certainly the prosecutor doesn't follow it. But then again s/he is the prosecutor. The cops investigate crimes but if they assumed everyone was innocent then maybe they would never investigate anyone.
So that leaves the courts. Do you really think the courts in this country "rare"ly assume the defendant to be innocent? Or was this just a dumb statement?
actually it is a statement that I have been through and many others.. someone accusing someone of something, adn right away, the person is locked up, cant do anything, and the false accuser is already being called the victim.. it happens every day, so take the "dumb statement" and shuv it up your ass.
Make of it what you will but stranger things have happened, and Wacko *has* been to the White House, has he not? http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2002/071302.asp
- T.I.
Originally posted by Scott
Yea but that's what's rare. Most of the people locked up have done something. Everyone has a right to a trial and for the most part judges are fair. So take your unjustified cynicism and ...
unjustified, well, since you dont know me, you dont know its unjustified.. all I am saying is, in this country, people are not always treated as inoccent until proven guilty.. you dont like it, then tough, I dont give a crap, just like all you can do is trash peoples movie quotes... get a life.
Originally posted by The General
unjustified, well, since you dont know me, you dont know its unjustified.. all I am saying is, in this country, people are not always treated as inoccent until proven guilty.. you dont like it, then tough, I dont give a crap, just like all you can do is trash peoples movie quotes... get a life.
Years ago (the 80s, maybe) there was a show (60 minutes?) that focused on the legal system in Communist China (or Red China as it was then referred to). Their premise was that the Chinese legal system is a sham and a trial merely a staged show. The police officially never made mistakes, so simply arresting someone meant they were guilty. What struck me was how similar that is to attitudes I see in the US. If someone is arrested, they must be guilty, at least in the minds of many people I encounter.
In reality, cops DO make mistakes in their investigations now and then. Corrupt cops have been known to plant evidence on occasion. Mistaken identity, revenge, and a whole host of reasons lead people to finger the wrong person. Sometimes, the person arrested really is totally innocent. Doesn't happen often, but just often enough that we have to take the "innocent until proven guilty" position seriously. Even when a person is obviously guilty, the prosecutors have been known to botch their cases and not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt (remember the OJ case?). So MJ is officially "innocent" until a jury decides he is actually guilty.
Guilty.
She says there was never any corroborating evidence... the parents were in a custody suit... the father had his dentist friend give his son a drug... under which you are very suggestible... THEN took him to a psychoanalyst...
Also... the current accuser is in a very similar situation. And his father was arrested for abusing him.
Sounds alot like a witch hunt.
I mean MJ is messed up for sure. But doesn't mean he's a pedophile. Also... if he was a pedophile there would be TONS of kids abused by him... as proven by the twisted priests where they had tens if not hundreds of accusers.
MJ may have a weird fascination with kids... doesn't meen he wants to abuse them. May mean he trusts them and not adults. who knows.
What I can't understand is why he spent all that money so he could resemble an elderly white woman.
Is he a criminal? Maybe.
Is he a complete loony? Guilty as charged.
I don't find it hard to accept that he very well could be guilty of the crimes charged.
Maybe then he'll get help and we won't have to think about him anymore.
Originally posted by The General
dont know, but something is striking me as not being right on the police side of things....
There was a statement saying that the police wanted to do this 3 weeks ago, but they held off doing it because they didnt want to interrupt a halloween party he was having for kids at the ranch.
This WAS on cnn, but it is not there any longer.. what struck me as strange is, if this guy is a pedophile, why would you delay and let him have a bunch of kids over for a party???
I saw that press conference, the cops were kidding around making jokes trying to get laughs and genuinely enjoying the attention: which is lame, this is a horrible crime that Jackson is being accused of...and for them to say they had the subpoena for a couple of weeks?
how embarrassing is this gonna be if they are thekeystone cops and screw it all up while mugging for the cameras?
all kinds of bad...
A confidential investigation by Los Angeles police and child welfare officials concluded earlier this year that allegations Michael Jackson sexually abused a cancer-stricken boy were "unfounded," according to an internal government memo obtained by The Smoking Gun.
This crime has definitely subjected all the rest of us to cruel and unusual punishment.