The CIA (reportedly the Cairo office) provided the Baath party with lists naming suspected communists, as has been reported from both the US intel community and king hussein seperately.
Uh. Hello. Who do you think help fund Iraq's war against Iran?
When you send millions to financial support to a dictatorship... they are in affect on the payroll.
We were helping the Mujahdeen in Afghanistan too.
Link? Proof? My understanding is that the US helped with strategic details and intelligence. Not much more than that though. France and Germany helped out financially much more than the US ever did but we don't want to talk about that.
The CIA (reportedly the Cairo office) provided the Baath party with lists naming suspected communists, as has been reported from both the US intel community and king hussein seperately.
Even if it's true it doesn't make him an employee of the US.
1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments. [4]
November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran. [1] & [15]
November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. [14]
October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. [16]
November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. [1] Donald Rumsfeld -Reagan's Envoy- provided Iraq with chemical & biological weapons
December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. [1] & [15]
So this makes him an emplyee of the US government? By what logic? False logic?
1985. Christopher Drogoul of the Atlanta branch of the Italian Banca Nazionale del Lavoro began embezzling funds to Iraq. The funds consisted of government backed loans meant for agricultural purposes as well as unreported loans that had been made in secret. While roughly half the funds were used by Saddam Hussein's government to purchase agricultural goods, the remainder was used to "supply Iraqi missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs with industrial goods such as computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods." Additionally, the money spent on agriculture allowed Saddam's regime to divert a significant portion of its own funds to the task of weapons development. [U.S. Congress, 4/28/92 H2694; Columbia Journalism Review, March/April 1993] Between 1985 and 1989 almost $5 billion made its way to Iraq from the U.S.. Memos obtained by reporters revealed that both the Federal Reserve and Department of Agriculture had suspected that Iraq was using these funds inappropriately. Iraq eventually defaulted on the government-backed loans, leaving U.S. taxpayers with $2 billion dollars in unpaid debts. [Columbia Journalism Review, March/April 1993; Mother Jones 2/1993]
1988. Ê The U.S. provided Baghdad with $500 million in credits to buy American farm products. [Wall Street Journal 7/10/2002]
August 1989. Christopher Drogoul, the manager of the Italian Banca Nazionale del Lavoro's branch in Atlanta, was charged with making unauthorized, clandestine, and illegal loans to Iraq. The loans had been used by Iraq to develop its weapons programs. [Columbia Journalism Review, March/April 1993]
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October 2, 1989.ÊÊ By this date, all international banks had cut off loans to Iraq.Ê Notwithstanding, President Bush signed National Security Directive 26 establishing closer ties to the Baghdad regime and providing $1 billion in agricultural loan guarantees to that government.Ê These funds allowed Iraq to continue its development of weapons of mass destruction.Ê [U.S. President 10/2/1989; Frantz and Waas 2/23/1992; Wall Street Journal 7/10/2002]
Editor's Note: This article first appeared on TruthOut.org's Web site and is reprinted with permission.
Saddam Hussein, former employee of the American federal government, was captured near a farmhouse in Tikrit in a raid performed by other employees of the American federal government. That sounds pretty deranged, right? Perhaps, but it is also accurate. The unifying thread binding together everyone assembled at that Tikrit farmhouse is the simple fact that all of themÑthe soldiers as well as HusseinÑhave received pay from the United States for services rendered.
Why not mention the beloved Stalin? He must have been the No.1 employee of the US. given how much aid he received.
Well, allow me to repeat myself: no one is innocent here.
Targeting the US's relationship with these a-holes during the Iran/Iraq War is turning a blind eye to everyone else who has supported these a-holes through the years. sure, Rummy shook hands with Hussein. So did Dan Rather and Jacques Chirac. I realize my wish that people could see the world for what it is rather than what they want it to be is futile though. The shoulda, coulda, woulda game is just so much nostalgia.
Well, allow me to repeat myself: no one is innocent here.
Targeting the US's relationship with these a-holes during the Iran/Iraq War is turning a blind eye to everyone else who has supported these a-holes through the years. sure, Rummy shook hands with Hussein. So did Dan Rather and Jacques Chirac. I realize my wish that people could see the world for what it is rather than what they want it to be is futile though. The shoulda, coulda, woulda game is just so much nostalgia.
Before the Iran war, the occidental world use to think that Saddam was a "good" tyrant, a builder, leading a modern dictature.
History have teach us that it is in fact an entirely different matter.
However i am amazed by the low level of wisdom and let say intelligence of Saddam this last two years.
If he was not stupid, and did not throw out the UN inspectors, or at the last accepted the US offer (an exil) he will have saved his ass.
But this type of character who do not support any contradiction, tend to have only collobarators who always agree with them. There is nobody to have the courage (or the crazyness, or the suicide instinct) to say the contrary of what he want. As a result, this type of character finish to make dramatic errors.
The shoulda, coulda, woulda game is just so much nostalgia.
Sorry. I forgot that recent history has no effect on the events of today. Thanks for reminding me. Now I've been a good american and forgotten what we were even talking about. Let's go to the mall.
Comments
Originally posted by Smircle
Absolutely, one should not condone this badmouthing of the US govt. They _never_ employ dictators.
Dictators work on a freelance basis.
You are so wrong.
National security archives LINK
Rumsfeld in court answering accessory-to-genocide charges with his ex-buddy will be ironic.
Originally posted by Scott
How's that?
The CIA (reportedly the Cairo office) provided the Baath party with lists naming suspected communists, as has been reported from both the US intel community and king hussein seperately.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/g...rfare1988.html
Originally posted by chu_bakka
Uh. Hello. Who do you think help fund Iraq's war against Iran?
When you send millions to financial support to a dictatorship... they are in affect on the payroll.
We were helping the Mujahdeen in Afghanistan too.
Link? Proof? My understanding is that the US helped with strategic details and intelligence. Not much more than that though. France and Germany helped out financially much more than the US ever did but we don't want to talk about that.
Originally posted by giant
The CIA (reportedly the Cairo office) provided the Baath party with lists naming suspected communists, as has been reported from both the US intel community and king hussein seperately.
Even if it's true it doesn't make him an employee of the US.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/a...rming_iraq.php
September, 1980. Iraq invades Iran. The beginning of the Iraq-Iran war. [8]
February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. [1]
December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq. [9]
1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments. [4]
November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran. [1] & [15]
November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. [14]
October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. [16]
November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. [1] Donald Rumsfeld -Reagan's Envoy- provided Iraq with chemical & biological weapons
December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. [1] & [15]
So this makes him an emplyee of the US government? By what logic? False logic?
Do you really want to argue semantics on this?
Originally posted by Scott
So this makes him an emplyee of the US government? By what logic? False logic?
What would you describe the relationship as then?
1988. Ê The U.S. provided Baghdad with $500 million in credits to buy American farm products. [Wall Street Journal 7/10/2002]
Originally posted by Scott
Even if it's true it doesn't make him an employee of the US.
And this has to do with me how?
Anyway, I saw his pay stubs so I know that he was an employee.
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October 2, 1989.ÊÊ By this date, all international banks had cut off loans to Iraq.Ê Notwithstanding, President Bush signed National Security Directive 26 establishing closer ties to the Baghdad regime and providing $1 billion in agricultural loan guarantees to that government.Ê These funds allowed Iraq to continue its development of weapons of mass destruction.Ê [U.S. President 10/2/1989; Frantz and Waas 2/23/1992; Wall Street Journal 7/10/2002]
Shall I go on?
Originally posted by Scott
France and Germany helped out financially much more than the US ever did but we don't want to talk about that.
Link please?
Oh, you can't provide one? Thought so.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9602
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Editor's Note: This article first appeared on TruthOut.org's Web site and is reprinted with permission.
Saddam Hussein, former employee of the American federal government, was captured near a farmhouse in Tikrit in a raid performed by other employees of the American federal government. That sounds pretty deranged, right? Perhaps, but it is also accurate. The unifying thread binding together everyone assembled at that Tikrit farmhouse is the simple fact that all of themÑthe soldiers as well as HusseinÑhave received pay from the United States for services rendered.
Why not mention the beloved Stalin? He must have been the No.1 employee of the US. given how much aid he received.
Targeting the US's relationship with these a-holes during the Iran/Iraq War is turning a blind eye to everyone else who has supported these a-holes through the years. sure, Rummy shook hands with Hussein. So did Dan Rather and Jacques Chirac. I realize my wish that people could see the world for what it is rather than what they want it to be is futile though. The shoulda, coulda, woulda game is just so much nostalgia.
Who's beloved Stalin? Yours?
Or when half the country is in denial?
Originally posted by BuonRotto
Well, allow me to repeat myself: no one is innocent here.
Targeting the US's relationship with these a-holes during the Iran/Iraq War is turning a blind eye to everyone else who has supported these a-holes through the years. sure, Rummy shook hands with Hussein. So did Dan Rather and Jacques Chirac. I realize my wish that people could see the world for what it is rather than what they want it to be is futile though. The shoulda, coulda, woulda game is just so much nostalgia.
Before the Iran war, the occidental world use to think that Saddam was a "good" tyrant, a builder, leading a modern dictature.
History have teach us that it is in fact an entirely different matter.
However i am amazed by the low level of wisdom and let say intelligence of Saddam this last two years.
If he was not stupid, and did not throw out the UN inspectors, or at the last accepted the US offer (an exil) he will have saved his ass.
But this type of character who do not support any contradiction, tend to have only collobarators who always agree with them. There is nobody to have the courage (or the crazyness, or the suicide instinct) to say the contrary of what he want. As a result, this type of character finish to make dramatic errors.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
The shoulda, coulda, woulda game is just so much nostalgia.
Sorry. I forgot that recent history has no effect on the events of today. Thanks for reminding me. Now I've been a good american and forgotten what we were even talking about. Let's go to the mall.