2GB Mini iPods in Colors!

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
MacRumors Page 2 has the "scoop".





"According to a new report, Apple has been demoing a new product to select insiders. The new device is reportedly a 2GB "mini" iPod, and has been noted to come in a variety of colors. Expected introduction of the new low-end iPods are in January 2004.



Some recent rumors have hinted at low end iPods coming from Apple, with subsequent corroboration.



While Apple presently uses Toshiba's 1.8" hard drives in existing iPod devices, Toshiba will be introducing 1" hard drives at the Consumer Electronics Show, also in January 2004."





Does this imply a new, smaller form factor allowed by those 1" Toshiba drives? If so, what happens to screen and scrollwheel size? It doesn't seem they could be much reduced without hampering use.



2GB is only good for about 500 songs, so it had better be cheap. $99 would be AWESOME.



Same colors as the billboard ads? Women will love them if so.



P.S. Started a new thread since the other one is for discussion of 4th gen, "full-sized" iPods. It's seems we have a new beast here that deserves its own thread.
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  • Reply 1 of 39
    I'm gonna call bull on this one.
  • Reply 2 of 39
    nofeernofeer Posts: 2,422member
    instead of the ipod getting smaller the battery got bigger, i feel the next move for apple to make ipod better is a truly elegant car adapter or intergrator also to keep prices low, use older tech not this 1"drive just get a cheaper 5g out there
  • Reply 3 of 39
    Hard to believe on the face of it - Can they get a 2G drive cheap enough that it, plus all the associated electronics in an iPod, could be sold for $99?



    As I understand it, the costs of making a hard drive are generally fixed and are physical size, not capacity, driven. This is why low end drives tend to always be around the $100-150 mark to end buyers, no matter what the capacity. A 1" or 1.8" drive is presumably going to cost several times what it costs to make a 3.5" disk.



    I'm not saying it's impossible, for all I know Toshiba/etc has done just that and found a way to make stunningly cheap 1.8" drives.



    I hope I'm wrong. I know a lot of friends who'd pick up a $99 multi-gig-capacity iPod in a heartbeat.
  • Reply 4 of 39
    man 2004 is shaping up to have many more releases than in any other year for Apple...
  • Reply 5 of 39
    bartobarto Posts: 2,246member
    I wouldn't be shocked if a 2GB mini iPod was introduced (ePod?). But then, I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't.



    1) This is a "page 2" report. That is, there isn't much evidence.



    2) Apple's fascination with colour ended about three years ago.
  • Reply 6 of 39
    You know, there is something like 'critical mass' in sizing electronic devices. Look at cellphones. The technology is there to make them even smaller, but we don't because after a certain size they're just harder to use and the easier to lose.



    I think a $99 iPod would be great, even if it was only 2GB, but I can't see any reason to make it smaller. Thinner, maybe. Of course, when was the last time Apple sold any hardware for $99?
  • Reply 7 of 39
    Toshiba has developed a 0.85 inch hard disk (see link) with a capacity of 2 to 3 GB. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/EL16Dh02.html



    "Toshiba aims to start shipping samples if its HDD to makers of cellular phones next summer and begin full-fledged production in early 2005 at its Ome, Tokyo, plant. After order volume rises, production will be moved to its HDD plant in the Philippines."



    and



    "The company [Toshiba] expects each drive to cost about 30,000 yen (US$280) initially, but projects that mass production will push down the price to less than 10,000 yen within a few years."



    I would certainly buy such a mini iPod if they will be cheaper than the current iPods.
  • Reply 8 of 39
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    I could see it used to make the iPod thinner, but keep the same footprint. Rather than have the battery and HDD stacked above one another, in the same footprint, they could be placed beside one another (one behind the display and the other behind the scroll). Now you have a very thin iPod, and extremely light, but no less easy to use.



    However, microdrive size HDD's aren't exactly cheap (at retail), even at the 1-4GB range they currently occupy, and there's no guarantee that such a device would be any cheaper than the current 10GB unit.



    4GB units should be about 400-500 dollars (in a CF type 2 carrier)



    Magicstor has 2.2GB microdrives for 179, I dunno'bout 1GB and 2GB Hitachi units. So even then, it won't exactly be easy to build down to a lower price than a 10GB unit. Not that the 10GB shouldn't be cheaper, but you get the sense that it is probably easier to build a cheaper device around the larger 1.8" HDD.



    If, Apple were to build a smaller iPod, as mentioned, I rather see them build it around a CF slot.
  • Reply 9 of 39
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    When will the iPod be small enough?



    At what point does its small size become a hindrance rather than a convenience? Tiny screen, tiny buttons, tiny niches...will a miniPod win over more customers or just take profits away from the higher margin iPods?
  • Reply 10 of 39
    nofeernofeer Posts: 2,422member
    lower cost not raise them to get more affordable, this might be for next gen, not now. apple needs to concentrate on getting a cheaper ipod to the masses and a better car adaption

    pcmag says ipods in short supply what are the most popular 10,20,40? i bought a 20g
  • Reply 11 of 39
    cubistcubist Posts: 954member
    The $99 price is not part of the original report. I'd expect a price more like $200. If there are colors, they will be sleeves such as those available today from third parties.
  • Reply 12 of 39
    nofeernofeer Posts: 2,422member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by cubist

    The $99 price is not part of the original report. I'd expect a price more like $200. If there are colors, they will be sleeves such as those available today from third parties.



    agree, but i feel with the huge popularity, pcmag is reporting short supply of the larger capacity ipods, so if so popular maybe apple will wait for cheaper units, it can be a slight price reduction for the 10-20 and maybe a price of 179 for 5g. hey if they sell them so well maybe they should "raise" prices (ha ha) just lower some and increase capacity and push "home in ipod" i don't know if apple needs a 100$ ipod yet, if they can get it to the sub-200 level for 5g that would sell well.
  • Reply 13 of 39
    bjnybjny Posts: 191member
    What about Imation's DataPlay format? Does that make any sense in an iPod?
  • Reply 14 of 39
    der kopfder kopf Posts: 2,275member
    As some here have suggested, I'd think that we should not try to imagine a smaller iPod as such, but rather a much thinner iPod that may have some millimeters cut off here and there as an added extra.



    A set up consisting of maybe two CF cards that work as one logical volume. About 2 gig total? I would see a future for these, and although I was a sceptic a long time ago, I would seriously consider buying one if they were were affordable (i.e. about 150 dollars), and did constitute some space saving (in the depth dimension rather than height or width) and longer battery life than current iPods.
  • Reply 15 of 39
    nofeernofeer Posts: 2,422member
    thinner?? if the form factor does not stabilize then how will the car adapter work, each ipod would need a different mount hmmmmm. lighter, more battery life yes, it needs a car adapter /mount
  • Reply 16 of 39
    I think the idea is cool one. Cheap and colourful?



    As for the abandoned colours. Not so the iPod adverts...leaving behind the sterile white backgrounds.



    Some form of lower priced iPod is important for Apple to keep applying maximum pressure to competitors before the Wintel mob get in the game.



    25 million songs sold on the iTunes store. Quite a milestone.



    The iPod isn't quite priced affordably enough to reach the same milestone in iPods. And for Apple to keep up the iPod momentum in the next year? That's gotta be addressed soon.



    A Dell busting iPod? Next round of iPod 'bumps'? Lower the price of the current hard drive models with steep price cuts. I still think £250 is alot to pay for a portable stereo I like the iPod. But I don't see myself buying one until they are much cheaper. After initial price cuts...the iPod price bracket has remained static. I hope Apple remedies that early in 2004. They aint gonna hit critical mass without positioning an iPod of some sort in a £99-£150 price bracket. Then Lemon (and many others no doubt...) thinks, 'Yeah. Now I can do that...'



    Some funky kind of colourful iPods. Yes. I can see that. I haven't lost hope of this gadjet that changes the colour of its case. A kind of white iPod that is psycadelic in the dark...like an iTunes visualisation that plays through a white-lucent skin... If there's one device that screams 'give me colour', it's an iPod.



    Nightclub Blue, funky green, fruity pink...tangerine fizz...bring it on, Apple!



    Lemon Bon Bon
  • Reply 17 of 39
    I would like to add my voice to the $99 just CAN'T be done crowd. I just looked at the edu pricing for iPods-to get an idea of what Apple can sell for and still make a little dough. 10Gb for $269. The best deal in terms of Gb/$ is the 40Gb iPod. You don't get cheaper with less capacity, its the other way around. I really think if they come out with a 5 or 2 Gb version then $199 would be reasonable for the masses $169 for edu.



    If you think about it $199 is a good deal. 512 Mb USB flash drives cost about $199. Sure they are not the same product, but there is overlap and I would rather have a small iPod than just a flash drive. I also remember when the Sony Walkman came out and was a BIG hit. It was quite some time ago and the magic price I remember at the time was $129. That was the price my old brain associates with these things hitting mass appeal. I think, taking inflation into account, it is quite reasonable to assume that $199 iPods would fly off the shelf (I beleive they are already flying nicely at $299).
  • Reply 18 of 39
    escherescher Posts: 1,811member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by flossie

    Toshiba has developed a 0.85 inch hard disk (see link) with a capacity of 2 to 3 GB. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/EL16Dh02.html



    I don't understand why Toshiba is bothering with a 2GB HDD when you can get shock-proof Compact Flash cards that size. Consequently, I don't see why Apple would bother with these smaller drives either.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by Matsu

    If, Apple were to build a smaller iPod, as mentioned, I rather see them build it around a CF slot.



    Didn't read far enough to see Matsu address my concern. CF memory is cheap these days. IMO, tiny HDDs have no real future. But aside from cost, flash memory has no moving parts, and is thus infinitely more shock-resistant than silly mini-HDDs. The fact that the iPod uses an HDD is one of the factors holding me back from buying one.



    Escher
  • Reply 19 of 39
    As the original postulator of the $99 price point let me apologize, that is indeed too low. I had no idea these new Toshiba drives were nearly $300.



    It seems now that "mini" means merely capacity, not physical size. Anyone have info on the availability and price of a 2GB 1.8" drive. Do they even exist? Would there be enough cost savings for Apple to do it at $199.



    And what about the colors? If the form factor for the mini (capacity) iPod is the same, then the 10/20/40 models will be stuck in white only? You have to buy a 2GB MiniPod to get a color option? (MiniPod, that's actually a great name, you heard it here first!)



    Oh and you guys can forget the flash memory pipe dream, especially if you're thinking it's going to be removable. The whole point of the iPod's design is that it's a sealed box. Music magically flows in and out, that's all the consumer needs to know.
  • Reply 20 of 39
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    First decide how much storage is enough, then whether CF will be feasible.



    Would 2-8GB be enough. CF is already in the 2-6GB range -- it's hideously expensive though. But it won't always be. There are people who would rather have <5GB of solid state music and recording than 80-160GB of HDD based storage. Outdoorsy types, for one.



    It kinda becomes two seperate markets at that point, when costs allow it. Digital vault or digital player?
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