I find it highly unlikely that the g5 would penetrate so quickly. i guess i am pessimistic because all these years have never seen it happen so quick.
i mean...G5s JUST started shipping a few months back. i do not doubt that IBM is great and the new g5 chip will be much better with heat and energy ? but i think MWSF is just too soon. i think that an announcemnet in mid-2004 would be more acceptable/believeable.
look, it's safe to wait for after MWSF though.
believe it!
where exactly will the imac go with the current g4?
unless apple decides to put the rumoured 750vx chip in the new imac they will HAVE TO put a g5 in it.
no question.
its not like motorola has a bunch of faster g4's they have been holdin on to.
they just dont make faster chips.
i believe apple should put the rumoured ibm 750 vx chip in the new imacs but that is just my opinion.
I think you guys are overlooking something-- there have been rumors that the display arm on the iMac is expensive to make, and prone to failure. Apparently, it has somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 parts, and is difficult to manufacture. That's (again-- apparently-- this is a rumor) a primary reason why the iMac hasn't dropped in price like its predecessor did. Even as cool as it is, I think the arm may not be long for this world.
To get an idea of where Apple may go next, check out Dell's 1901FP monitor (I hope that link works...) At the very least, I expect there to be a major redesign of the arm to something dramatically simpler if it's going to stick around.
As far as the processor goes, Apple can't move their entire line to the G5 fast enough, in my opinion. I'm hoping to see a redesigned iMac by March/April at the latest.
I believe a redesign of the iMac2 is due @ MWSF G5 or not. People like Jonathan Ives don't stop having cool design ideas once a product ships.
Likewise, the G5, especially if less cost vs, G4 rumors are correct (and they should be, given IBM's fab process) it would seem that a G5 is imperative from both cost and power standpoints.
IBM has it's 130nm line pumping out G5's at speeds from 1.6 to 2.0. Production of these parts will not have been interrupted to bring the 90nm production line on line.
While the 90nm G5 might be cheaper to produce because of number of chips per wafer, there will have to be at least a short term glut of 130nm parts lying about. It is these that will see their way into iMac3's on their introduction.
I would think that 1.6 GHz G5's would be most plentiful, with ample supplies of 1.8's as well. If the 90nm line is working well IBM will be anxious to convert over to that process across the board. To point, the 130nm process line is not long for conversion to 90nm.
Be that as it may, there are shed loads of the 130nm G5's that IBM will want to off-load so they will drop the price point as sort of a clearance sale to aviod a loss in inventory. I therefore predict that the iMac3 will have 130nm G5's as announced at MWSF.
If all that follows, it would seem that cooling the things would be a major design goal for the third generation iMac. Look for some form factor that hasn't been tried yet. Something classic, yet elegant and timeless.
I could see a Jonathan Ives rendition of this concept, starting with a cast magnisium case (Like the NeXt Cube) at about half the size of the pyramac design. Provide with a heat sink and fan from the tower to cool the beast. Put the base on rubber feet to allow air to be picked up from underneath (to retain the monolithic look by avoiding perforations in the front surface. Paint it any color they want and viola ~ the iMac3.
Hanging the monitor and it's arm from a swiveling pyramid shaped top piece would cling to the all-in-one form factor, though I would prefer it to be separate. Perhaps they could design the monitor arm assembly to be easily replaceable, thus upgradable, but don't count on it.
...get an idea of where Apple may go next, check out Dell's 1901FP monitor (I hope that link works...) At the very least, I expect there to be a major redesign of the arm to something dramatically simpler if it's going to stick around.
Apple sold an LCD monitor with a stand exactly like this before they switched to their current design.
where exactly will the imac go with the current g4?
unless apple decides to put the rumoured 750vx chip in the new imac they will HAVE TO put a g5 in it.
no question.
its not like motorola has a bunch of faster g4's they have been holdin on to.
they just dont make faster chips.
i believe apple should put the rumoured ibm 750 vx chip in the new imacs but that is just my opinion.
Totally agree with the 750VX, the problem with it, is that it is behind the 970FX in development.
That's not to say that the iMac refresh might be delayed for these chips. They will certainly need to start at 1.5G is my feeling.
Apple may stick with the 750VX for the iBook/eMac line. Like most people the iMacs price point suggests that it should include a G5 chip at up to 2GHz for the 20" model. With IBM now pumping out 90nm 970's this chip could well be available. Its more a question of whether Apple wishes to deploy the G5 into the iMac or not.
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Originally posted by hasapi
Remember, the iMac does not have a fan - so it has the same problem the PB does.
Look in the background:
Originally posted by macnn sux
I find it highly unlikely that the g5 would penetrate so quickly. i guess i am pessimistic because all these years have never seen it happen so quick.
i mean...G5s JUST started shipping a few months back. i do not doubt that IBM is great and the new g5 chip will be much better with heat and energy ? but i think MWSF is just too soon. i think that an announcemnet in mid-2004 would be more acceptable/believeable.
look, it's safe to wait for after MWSF though.
believe it!
where exactly will the imac go with the current g4?
unless apple decides to put the rumoured 750vx chip in the new imac they will HAVE TO put a g5 in it.
no question.
its not like motorola has a bunch of faster g4's they have been holdin on to.
they just dont make faster chips.
i believe apple should put the rumoured ibm 750 vx chip in the new imacs but that is just my opinion.
To get an idea of where Apple may go next, check out Dell's 1901FP monitor (I hope that link works...) At the very least, I expect there to be a major redesign of the arm to something dramatically simpler if it's going to stick around.
As far as the processor goes, Apple can't move their entire line to the G5 fast enough, in my opinion. I'm hoping to see a redesigned iMac by March/April at the latest.
Likewise, the G5, especially if less cost vs, G4 rumors are correct (and they should be, given IBM's fab process) it would seem that a G5 is imperative from both cost and power standpoints.
IBM has it's 130nm line pumping out G5's at speeds from 1.6 to 2.0. Production of these parts will not have been interrupted to bring the 90nm production line on line.
While the 90nm G5 might be cheaper to produce because of number of chips per wafer, there will have to be at least a short term glut of 130nm parts lying about. It is these that will see their way into iMac3's on their introduction.
I would think that 1.6 GHz G5's would be most plentiful, with ample supplies of 1.8's as well. If the 90nm line is working well IBM will be anxious to convert over to that process across the board. To point, the 130nm process line is not long for conversion to 90nm.
Be that as it may, there are shed loads of the 130nm G5's that IBM will want to off-load so they will drop the price point as sort of a clearance sale to aviod a loss in inventory. I therefore predict that the iMac3 will have 130nm G5's as announced at MWSF.
If all that follows, it would seem that cooling the things would be a major design goal for the third generation iMac. Look for some form factor that hasn't been tried yet. Something classic, yet elegant and timeless.
From project Pyramac a most interesting concept.
I could see a Jonathan Ives rendition of this concept, starting with a cast magnisium case (Like the NeXt Cube) at about half the size of the pyramac design. Provide with a heat sink and fan from the tower to cool the beast. Put the base on rubber feet to allow air to be picked up from underneath (to retain the monolithic look by avoiding perforations in the front surface. Paint it any color they want and viola ~ the iMac3.
Hanging the monitor and it's arm from a swiveling pyramid shaped top piece would cling to the all-in-one form factor, though I would prefer it to be separate. Perhaps they could design the monitor arm assembly to be easily replaceable, thus upgradable, but don't count on it.
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Originally posted by Gamblor
...get an idea of where Apple may go next, check out Dell's 1901FP monitor (I hope that link works...) At the very least, I expect there to be a major redesign of the arm to something dramatically simpler if it's going to stick around.
Apple sold an LCD monitor with a stand exactly like this before they switched to their current design.
Originally posted by geekmeet
believe it!
where exactly will the imac go with the current g4?
unless apple decides to put the rumoured 750vx chip in the new imac they will HAVE TO put a g5 in it.
no question.
its not like motorola has a bunch of faster g4's they have been holdin on to.
they just dont make faster chips.
i believe apple should put the rumoured ibm 750 vx chip in the new imacs but that is just my opinion.
Totally agree with the 750VX, the problem with it, is that it is behind the 970FX in development.
That's not to say that the iMac refresh might be delayed for these chips. They will certainly need to start at 1.5G is my feeling.
Apple may stick with the 750VX for the iBook/eMac line. Like most people the iMacs price point suggests that it should include a G5 chip at up to 2GHz for the 20" model. With IBM now pumping out 90nm 970's this chip could well be available. Its more a question of whether Apple wishes to deploy the G5 into the iMac or not.
Only time will tell!
-walloo.