#1 You waited too long to get rid of this machine. Regardless of what you paid for it a year and a half ago, there has been one MAJOR revision to the Powerbook since then with the G4 chip and then two small revisions since then including a price drop.
#2 I can get a 600MHz iBook with the same exact size screen as that one WITH a combo drive, warranty and free memory for $100 more.
#3 If they already have a copy of the licensed software, then why do they need you to pre-load it for them? We of all people are not going to be fooled by this. Yes you still are violating your license agreements.
#4 Or I could go to MacZone and get a Powerbook 550MHz DVD with free speakers and ram for $1,994.98
In response to your comments. As I stated above, $1600 is what the machine is worth to me. I am not comparing it to anything else. If it is worth $1600 to someone else, they will buy it. If it is not worth $1600 to anyone else, nobody will buy it. Plain and simple. I'm not forcing anyone to buy my machine. It's not like I have a monopoly.
And I am currently reviewing the software license agreements.
Thank you for your advice. I do appreciate all of your feedback.
<strong>I do not wish to break the law and if I determine that I am doing so after reading the agreements, I will cancel all bids (if there are any) and change the auction to comply with the terms of the software agreements.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This all falls under copyright law.
Essentially, creators of a work have the exclusive right to make copies of that work. That is, with very few exceptions, it is illegal (we're talkin' jail time and/or fines, illegal) to make unauthorized copies of copyrighted work.
When you buy software, the owner of the copyright is granting you a license to make copies of the software in a very limited fashion. Just enough to allow you to use the software. You can't use software without copying it, after all. At the very least, it must be copied from the original media into RAM in order to work (this is actually stipulated in the law - also, there's a provision in the law which allows you to make a single backup copy of the software).
I guarantee you there is no license agreement for commercial, for-profit software that would allow, except through ignorance or a loop-hole, what you are doing.
Second of all, this machine was originally $3,499 not too long ago.
You guys may not think it is worth $1,600 but that doesn't mean that somebody else will not. That is half what it cost new. It is not worth it to me to sell my computer cheaper so if someone does not buy it at that price, I am going to keep it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The PowerMac 9500 180/MP I bought last year on eBay originally sold for over $9000. I got it for 400.
just because you paid top dollar for something a long time ago doesn't mean it should hold its value. not even half its value.
A Pismo with those specs is worth about $1100 tops. Charging labor for installing software is not going to be productive and is unrealistic.
I also paid about $3500 for my Pismo. It simply isn't worth $1,600 right now. Sure, you can say "But, that is what it is worth to me" and what not, and at least you accept that it might not sell, but I and others here are simply stating the market value of your machine. It simply isn't worth it.
As far as the software goes, you can make all the disclaimer statements you want, but you can't load your machine with software without selling the entire software package itself (so you no longer own it in the end).
Not accusing you here, just stating some facts.
Oh, I forgot: Stating that the machine is faster at some tasks than a 667MHZ PowerBook is a bit deceptive and I think you may be misinformed. What you may have read is that the 500MHZ original PB G4 (with a 100mhz bus) was sometimes slower on certain non-altivec tasks. I don't think that goes for the newer 133mhz bus models @550 MHZ, and I certainly can't believe this is true at 667MHZ. I would take that down if I were you.
Good luck. I would advise what someone else mentioned: Lower the price to like $1 and then set a reserve of like $900, even a grand if you want.
You may say that it's worth that much to you but obviously it's on eBay because you need to sell it. If you want to sell this you better lower the price or you will have this machine forever.
Most pismo owners seem to have their heads up their asses about the actual value of their used machines.
Clearly the pirated software is the only attraction of this machine. You can buy a better performing iBook 600 (new with 1 year of warrantee) for similar money.
You'd have to be defective to spent that much on a pismo.
And there's more crock of SH|T on the actual listing. "Pismo 500 actually outpreforms Ti667 in some benchmarks" ??? HAHHAHAAA, excuse me, hahahha! and oh yeah HA! please. A pismo of that vintage isn't worth more than a new iBook, and neither does it perform better than a new iBook, let alone the top speed TiBook.
People may be stupid, but Murbot has those customers covered.
This eric is probably the same one from macnn... must head over to macnn buy/sell to break his balls a little over there too. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Tell you what rico, I'll take the whole thing off your hands with the CD licencse for all that software (boxes, original discs, manuals) for a 950 USD.
What's that, no licenses, yeah... I can use FTP too.
Auction over. You lose! HAHAHA, but don't worry, by the time you relist it it'll be worth even less HAHAHAHA.
My offer still stands. 950 Canadian, but you throw in all the licenses. It's going to be worth even less after MW Tokyo. And so will those licences after OSX versions arive (within the next 4-6 weeks)
Ouch, guys. Being a little harsh, aren't you? Honestly, you'd do better in the local paper than you would on eBay. Especially if you're looking for that one dumbass willing to pay that much. Dumbasses bid in flocks on eBay, smart people don't. The flock won't start unless you start the auction low and the smart people won't bid at all because they know better. I sold my 500mhz pismo in May for $1600 (freshly formatted drive, of course). No way you'd get that much now. Sorry dude.
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#1 You waited too long to get rid of this machine. Regardless of what you paid for it a year and a half ago, there has been one MAJOR revision to the Powerbook since then with the G4 chip and then two small revisions since then including a price drop.
#2 I can get a 600MHz iBook with the same exact size screen as that one WITH a combo drive, warranty and free memory for $100 more.
#3 If they already have a copy of the licensed software, then why do they need you to pre-load it for them? We of all people are not going to be fooled by this. Yes you still are violating your license agreements.
#4 Or I could go to MacZone and get a Powerbook 550MHz DVD with free speakers and ram for $1,994.98
In response to your comments. As I stated above, $1600 is what the machine is worth to me. I am not comparing it to anything else. If it is worth $1600 to someone else, they will buy it. If it is not worth $1600 to anyone else, nobody will buy it. Plain and simple. I'm not forcing anyone to buy my machine. It's not like I have a monopoly.
And I am currently reviewing the software license agreements.
Thank you for your advice. I do appreciate all of your feedback.
<strong>I do not wish to break the law and if I determine that I am doing so after reading the agreements, I will cancel all bids (if there are any) and change the auction to comply with the terms of the software agreements.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This all falls under copyright law.
Essentially, creators of a work have the exclusive right to make copies of that work. That is, with very few exceptions, it is illegal (we're talkin' jail time and/or fines, illegal) to make unauthorized copies of copyrighted work.
When you buy software, the owner of the copyright is granting you a license to make copies of the software in a very limited fashion. Just enough to allow you to use the software. You can't use software without copying it, after all. At the very least, it must be copied from the original media into RAM in order to work (this is actually stipulated in the law - also, there's a provision in the law which allows you to make a single backup copy of the software).
I guarantee you there is no license agreement for commercial, for-profit software that would allow, except through ignorance or a loop-hole, what you are doing.
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Second of all, this machine was originally $3,499 not too long ago.
You guys may not think it is worth $1,600 but that doesn't mean that somebody else will not. That is half what it cost new. It is not worth it to me to sell my computer cheaper so if someone does not buy it at that price, I am going to keep it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The PowerMac 9500 180/MP I bought last year on eBay originally sold for over $9000. I got it for 400.
just because you paid top dollar for something a long time ago doesn't mean it should hold its value. not even half its value.
I also paid about $3500 for my Pismo. It simply isn't worth $1,600 right now. Sure, you can say "But, that is what it is worth to me" and what not, and at least you accept that it might not sell, but I and others here are simply stating the market value of your machine. It simply isn't worth it.
As far as the software goes, you can make all the disclaimer statements you want, but you can't load your machine with software without selling the entire software package itself (so you no longer own it in the end).
Not accusing you here, just stating some facts.
Oh, I forgot: Stating that the machine is faster at some tasks than a 667MHZ PowerBook is a bit deceptive and I think you may be misinformed. What you may have read is that the 500MHZ original PB G4 (with a 100mhz bus) was sometimes slower on certain non-altivec tasks. I don't think that goes for the newer 133mhz bus models @550 MHZ, and I certainly can't believe this is true at 667MHZ. I would take that down if I were you.
Good luck. I would advise what someone else mentioned: Lower the price to like $1 and then set a reserve of like $900, even a grand if you want.
Clearly the pirated software is the only attraction of this machine. You can buy a better performing iBook 600 (new with 1 year of warrantee) for similar money.
You'd have to be defective to spent that much on a pismo.
People may be stupid, but Murbot has those customers covered.
Tell you what rico, I'll take the whole thing off your hands with the CD licencse for all that software (boxes, original discs, manuals) for a 950 USD.
What's that, no licenses, yeah... I can use FTP too.
So Eric, I guess the world doesn't quite go for your bullschit.
Tell you what. You can wipe all that warez off the drive, and I'll give you 950 Canadian for the machine.
You'd better hurry though, my next offer is in pesos.
My offer still stands. 950 Canadian, but you throw in all the licenses. It's going to be worth even less after MW Tokyo. And so will those licences after OSX versions arive (within the next 4-6 weeks)
1500. AHAHHAHAHA!