Non-Smoking Bars
Last night I went to a local bar with some friend to discuss a movie they did over in Alabama earlier this year. Two hours later I went home with clothes completely imbibed with the stink of cigarette smoke. I'm tired of smoky bars and am actively looking for a local equivalent of the smoke-free bars they have in LA.
How many of you have smoke-free bars in your town? Save your "pussy" comments for somebody else, I'm not completely writing off dive bars....I just want to have the option of saving money on my dry-cleaning bills.
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How many of you have smoke-free bars in your town? Save your "pussy" comments for somebody else, I'm not completely writing off dive bars....I just want to have the option of saving money on my dry-cleaning bills.
Ta.
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Originally posted by drewprops
Last night I went to a local bar with some friend to discuss a movie they did over in Alabama earlier this year. Two hours later I went home with clothes completely imbibed with the stink of cigarette smoke. I'm tired of smoky bars and am actively looking for a local equivalent of the smoke-free bars they have in LA.
How many of you have smoke-free bars in your town? Save your "pussy" comments for somebody else, I'm not completely writing off dive bars....I just want to have the option of saving money on my dry-cleaning bills.
Ta.
Mayor Bloomberg has all but outlawed smoking here in NYC and some estimates are that 1/3 bars have closed. Not only that but the smokers are now going outside drunk and making a ruckus and being a disturbance. Every smoker is pissed about it and a bunch of non smokers are too. But, hey, we can't have your dry cleaning bill go up now can we?
Originally posted by drewprops
Last night I went to a local bar with some friend to discuss a movie they did over in Alabama earlier this year. Two hours later I went home with clothes completely imbibed with the stink of cigarette smoke. I'm tired of smoky bars and am actively looking for a local equivalent of the smoke-free bars they have in LA.
How many of you have smoke-free bars in your town? Save your "pussy" comments for somebody else, I'm not completely writing off dive bars....I just want to have the option of saving money on my dry-cleaning bills.
Ta.
Where I come from, they are turning all bars and clubs and restaraunts into non-smoking by force legally. I dont smoke, but I say it is wrong. (I dont drink either). Why? It should be up to the owners of the bars. many people if they cant smoke, wont drink,ect. and alot of these places are closing down, then you get the winey non-smokers, complaining about the places that had smoke in them. well, either stay home, or go to a place that doesnt allow smoking, but they should not force a ban on these places, if you dont like it, go somewhere else.. its all due to politically correct bullshit(IE, you can have an opinion, but if is isnt PC then it dont count)
Best.
Laws.
Ever.
I hope King County or the City of Seattle follow suit soon. It's so wonderfully, refreshingly pleasant to be able to go out and have fun and come home and go to bed. My clothes don't stink. I don't stink. I can still breathe without emptying my inhaler. I don't need to pop claritin like M&Ms. I don't need to shower as soon as I get home. My eyes don't feel like they're going to burn through my skull. I can just have fun. I've pretty much stopped going out to bars in Seattle because my asthma and allergies just can't take it anymore. But here on the Island, I can have a swingin', swillin', non-soberin' time.
I don't like drunk people they should force bars to stop selling booze. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I don't favor mandatory smoke-free bars. I want the OPTION.
Towel's post about smoke-free bars is what I wanted to hear. I'm going to find one here.
Originally posted by drewprops
Look you assholes, I already said that I wanted the OPTION of smoke-free bars...made that Absolutely Clear in my opening post. Shove your "wah, wah, wah crybaby can't afford dry-cleaning" posts up your collective asses.
I don't favor mandatory smoke-free bars. I want the OPTION.
Towel's post about smoke-free bars is what I wanted to hear. I'm going to find one here.
Well when you say you want the local equivalent of LA's bars, which were imposed by law not choice, that would imply that you favor a ban of smoking at bars. If that's not the case then I'm sorry about my comment. Bars should have the option of making their own rules about smoking if they want to make it non-smoking, that's fine.
You'll always be somebody's nemesis.
Originally posted by drewprops
Look you assholes, I already said that I wanted the OPTION of smoke-free bars...made that Absolutely Clear in my opening post. Shove your "wah, wah, wah crybaby can't afford dry-cleaning" posts up your collective asses.
Wow...uhhh...did you have to go and do that? Not necessary. You had to know as well as we all did that you were gonna get flamed with posts like that.
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Towel's post about smoke-free bars is what I wanted to hear. I'm going to find one here.
If you posted in AO looking to only get replies that you wanted to hear, you posted in the wrong place. Get over yourself and deal with the fact that other people have opinions too.
Originally posted by billybobsky
what we need is segregation man. what we need is equal facilities for those who wish to partake in the life reducing binge of smoking. i say, they want to smoke and choke, give them all the smoke they can handle, a closed facility, with poor ventillation, where all the smokers can chill, and get their fill of second and third and forth hand smoke.
And seeing how the bars would be equal the non smoking bars would have that second hand retard smell.
Originally posted by HOM
And seeing how the bars would be equal the non smoking bars would have that second hand retard smell.
i dont go to bars so i wouldnt know. i am sure you got the tone of my post.
there was a sliders episode or some such show where the characters go to see one of their fathers who is sitting in, in essense, a plexiglass smokers only box similar to the ones in airports, except with poor ventilation.
it always has struck me.
in any event, while the health risk of encountering an angry drunken person on the street may be slightly more dangerous than inhaling a night full of second hand smoke, they both can be illegal, and they both are the result of habits gone too far...
Originally posted by billybobsky
i dont go to bars so i wouldnt know. i am sure you got the tone of my post.
there was a sliders episode or some such show where the characters go to see one of their fathers who is sitting in, in essense, a plexiglass smokers only box similar to the ones in airports, except with poor ventilation.
it always has struck me.
in any event, while the health risk of encountering an angry drunken person on the street may be slightly more dangerous than inhaling a night full of second hand smoke, they both can be illegal, and they both are the result of habits gone too far...
I think that 16 year olds have no place in a discussion about adult things. I think that maybe you should stop watching Sliders and start paying attention to real matters like people losing their jobs. Sure they may get to live for 5 years more in the nursing home, but can't pay their rent now. I think that's bullshit. I think that reasonable people can understand both sides of the issue like drewprops and I do.
edit: my bad
On that I agree, but I dont see any 16 year olds around here (EDIT: actually, I think anyone should be able to discuss any issue, there is no harm in hearing what the younguns have to say is there?). Maybe I watched the slider's episode when I was 15, but that was a lond time ago and I do mean long.
I dont go to bars because I dont like loud places. I understand your side. I understand other people's sides as well. I actually havent stated what I think.
Honestly, I couldnt care less. It should be up to the bar's owner. In every market there will be an oppourtunity for a buisness that is smokeless, like a restaurant or bar. Tradition currently has it that this doesnt occur, but it takes time for people to realize there is a demand for such a thing. NYC's laws are probably in response to the fact that there was a large public health sector clamoring for separate sections of bars. THe most unobtrusive law that is the most easily enforced, is the ban, and that is just the reality of the situation.
People losing jobs is unfortunate. And it seems, if I am reading the trends currently, employers arent hireing because they can get more output of their current employees, why have a fat buisness with extra workers when the work can be done by one person. Where this breaks is when there is a real demand for employees, when a well skilled worker isnt affraid of taking a risk and moving to another company that offers more pay and less work. But I really dont see anybody that can accelerate the buisness cycle, let alone control it, so what is is. Perhaps if we push for more unemployeed people to claim that state, the government and economists will have a better understanding about how pervasive the lack of jobs really is. But this isnt a policy I see anyone pushing really.
But i digress. Non-smoking bars are the best thing since sliced bread, which is less than a century old.
If you go to a bar and have three---maybe four---drinks you are most likely VERY .08 or above. Are localities are telling people they can't smoke, but telling them impliclty to go over the legal limit?
Maybe bars should have a 3-drink limit for all patrons. But then how many of you who go to bars stop at three drinks? Not much fun for the crowd that goes out and "close down" these sorts of places every Saturday night. Why put a stop to something as minor as smoking in public but let the culture of clubbers and honkey tonkers run wild?
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Alls I wanted to do was to find out if there were non-smoking bars in YOUR towns and how they were - I didn't realize the hornet's nest I was stirring up. Seems like smokers sense a slow-motion prohibition swirling around their favorite vice, thus the hostility. I can understand the responses here.
And there's hostility in them there posts. When somebody tells me to "get over" myself I know that they're pissed off about something.
And I decided NOT to get over myself...I've got too much going on to get over myself!
Originally posted by drewprops
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dRewprops
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Alls I wanted to do was to find out if there were non-smoking bars in YOUR towns and how they were - I didn't realize the hornet's nest I was stirring up. Seems like smokers sense a slow-motion prohibition swirling around their favorite vice, thus the hostility. I can understand the responses here.
And there's hostility in them there posts. When somebody tells me to "get over" myself I know that they're pissed off about something.
And I decided NOT to get over myself...I've got too much going on to get over myself!
Hmmm let's put it this way.....
I live in a tiny town but we still have our coffee shop with poetry redings, chess tables and intinerent musicians. It's a very cool little spot, but it doesn't serve the same PURPOSE as a bar. Yes people go there to hang out and be esoteric, but they DON'T go there to chill out, tie one on and relax. Smoking (tabacco) and drinking have been around for several hundred years in western culture and are fairly intertwined.
Here's a question for you world travelers out there....what countries that have (blue collar) drinking establishments DON'T have incessent smoking?
Originally posted by drewprops
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dRewprops
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Alls I wanted to do was to find out if there were non-smoking bars in YOUR towns and how they were - I didn't realize the hornet's nest I was stirring up. Seems like smokers sense a slow-motion prohibition swirling around their favorite vice, thus the hostility. I can understand the responses here.
And there's hostility in them there posts. When somebody tells me to "get over" myself I know that they're pissed off about something.
And I decided NOT to get over myself...I've got too much going on to get over myself!
Fixed and fixed. My bad
Well all the bars in my area are non smoking, well except the ones that are saying "FüCK YOU BLOOMBERG" and don't enforce the law. My bitterness comes more from the fact that Hiz Dishonor, passed this law by blackmailing city council members while refusing to meet with the Bar and Restaurant Industry Association to talk about it. Two of my favorite bars have closed since the law passed. Reason, people weren't going out to bars if they couldn't smoke and non-smokers are a bunch of pussies to begin with
Legislation should always be the last resort.