Scott, if you aren't gay, what the damn hell has it got to do with you whether two gay people get married? How does it hurt you? Are you that co-dependent? (i really dislike that term, but its apt here). What offends you so terribly about it that you would prefer to deny two people happiness and rights, for no logical or constructive reason other than to be bloodyminded?
If you approve of the institution of marriage, then why not reinforce the numbers by adding gay people? Statistically, married gay couples tend to stay together just as well as, or better than, straight people. The trouble with so many conservatives is that "if they ain't one of us, we don't want them, or make life difficult for them" philosophy. And...whatever happened tio the time honored conservative ideal of "keeping big government out of our lives"?
Now if you think that the marriage is the root of the traditionnal family : a father a mother and kids. I can see reasons why people are worry.
And wasn't it sweet how Britney Spears finally decided to take her wedding vows and settle down into a nice traditional family? Just imagine what marriage might become if we let gays do it...
Wow. Just sounds like you guys are against civil rights.
Considering half of all marriages end in divorce... I don't really get how two people of the same sex can screw it up. What? They might get a divorce too???
And what's your problem with miranda rights?
I still don't see what rules have been inacted that effect you in a detrimental way.
Wow. Just sounds like you guys are against civil rights.
Considering half of all marriages end in divorce... I don't really get how two people of the same sex can screw it up. What? They might get a divorce too???
And what's your problem with miranda rights?
I still don't see what rules have been inacted that effect you in a detrimental way.
When I was about 7 or so, my family was visiting my aunt's house like we did almost every weekend. I was bored so I sat next to my dad who was playing cards with the other "grownups". I began imitating everything he was doing including pretending to drink and smoke a cigarette. Eventually he notice me doing this and asked me "do you think smoking is cool", to which I said, "yeah, you do it."
My dad then proceeds to teach me how to smoke, he explains every detail and hands me a brand new cigarette and lights it for me. He says, "go ahead smoke it." So, wanting to impress all the grown ups, I wrapped my lips around it and breathed deep.
Of course, I began coughing like I never had and hacking and choking. Running down the hallway puking my guts out, wondering why my dad would let me smoke a cigarette and why he would want to.
It was a little traumatic to say the least, but looking back he really did me a favor. I never had the desire to smoke a cigarette, ever.
Now I know at this point that you are asking. "What does that have to do with this thread?" Well, you guys have forgotten, or so it seems, about the big lawsuit against the tobacco industry. That lawsuit and it's verdict opened the door wide for anyone to sue based upon stupidity. I know we all seem to ignore them saying, "oh jeez another stupid lawsuit.", but that one tobacco suit opened the floodgates.
Any business person will tell you that that plays into the decisions that he or she makes. You must take extraordinary measures to avoid being sued. People can sue for anything and waste your time and money just so they can walk away with a "shut up and let me get back to business" settlement. It happens on a daily basis.
Now, I knew even before my dad did that dirty trick that smoking was bad for you, and so does any child. Simple observation skills will lead to that conclusion, if not the label in plain english on the side of every pack.
That tobacco lawsuit was a big joke and everyone knows it. That lawsuit and all that have followed the same path have hurt every one of us in more ways than we would like to count.
Except that for years (not lately) cigarette companies actually acted like it was GOOD for you.
Cigarettes are addictive... and kill you.
So again. Explain to me who suing a corporation that produces a product that kills you... and that lied to the american public... effects you detrimentally.
Except that for years (not lately) cigarette companies actually acted like it was GOOD for you.
Cigarettes are addictive... and kill you.
So again. Explain to me who suing a corporation that produces a product that kills you... and that lied to the american public... effects you detrimentally.
Nice story though.
I already did.
If you have any knowledge of chemicals you know that everything has a toxicity value. Hell, water can kill you. Too much of anything can kill you. Should labels be put on everything?
I do not know anyone that cannot just observe and know cigarettes are not good for you. My kids, from a very young age knew that, i am talking 2 and 3. So to say that verdict was right assumes ignorance for everyone. You also have to go against everything that everyone knows: Corporations are out to make money, so they will promote their product to achieve more sales.
That would be like me telling you, "gravity does not apply here on this 20 story building, it's safe to jump." And you actually believe it.
Wow, it's difficult to think of a better example of where civil suits serve a purpose, and NaplesX used it to make a case against them.
Smoking is the number one cause of death in the US. Cigarette companies market the number one cause of death in the US, and they should be perfectly free to do so - people are just stupid if they get addicted and die from it! Personal responsibility! (Except for corporations.)
You've explained that most things are harmful to me. Thanks. I'll try to kick my water addiction. If not I'm suing poland springs.
Only in the last 20-30 years has there been actual proof that cigarette smoking is addictive and can kill you. The cigarette companies actually knew it for a bit longer and withheld that knowledge. I don't argue with the fact that anyone born in the last 10-20 years doesn't really have a leg to stand on to sue the tobacco companies... I mean it now says on the package it will kill you. However... it wasn't always the case.
And you still haven't explained to me how suing the tobacco giants has hurt you in any way.
Wow, it's difficult to think of a better example of where civil suits serve a purpose, and NaplesX used it to make a case against them.
Smoking is the number one cause of death in the US. Cigarette companies market the number one cause of death in the US, and they should be perfectly free to do so - people are just stupid if they get addicted and die from it! Personal responsibility! (Except for corporations.)
Sex is the number 1 cause of unwanted pregnancies, Do you outlaw it. Or do you propose every person be sued that says "Come on baby, it will be good, nothing bad will happen"?
You've explained that most things are harmful to me. Thanks. I'll try to kick my water addiction. If not I'm suing poland springs.
Only in the last 20-30 years has there been actual proof that cigarette smoking is addictive and can kill you. The cigarette companies actually knew it for a bit longer and withheld that knowledge. I don't argue with the fact that anyone born in the last 10-20 years doesn't really have a leg to stand on to sue the tobacco companies... I mean it now says on the package it will kill you. However... it wasn't always the case.
And you still haven't explained to me how suing the tobacco giants has hurt you in any way.
It is now acceptable to sue on the basis of ignorance.
That was the thing, most of those people said they did not know smoking was harmful. Despite the warning on the package, however late in coming, despite that first time they smoked and puked, despite doctors everywhere telling everyone to stop smoking. On and on and on....
The lawsuit set a precedent for court cases to come.
Scott, if you aren't gay, what the damn hell has it got to do with you whether two gay people get married? How does it hurt you? Are you that co-dependent? (i really dislike that term, but its apt here). What offends you so terribly about it that you would prefer to deny two people happiness and rights, for no logical or constructive reason other than to be bloodyminded?
If you approve of the institution of marriage, then why not reinforce the numbers by adding gay people? Statistically, married gay couples tend to stay together just as well as, or better than, straight people. The trouble with so many conservatives is that "if they ain't one of us, we don't want them, or make life difficult for them" philosophy. And...whatever happened tio the time honored conservative ideal of "keeping big government out of our lives"?
I'm for gay marriage. I think the law should be changed by the legislature not the court system.
I picked my words fairly carefully. I have explained how. I feel that way and it is just my opinion. Please don't argue just to argue. It gets old real quick.
I'm for gay marriage. I think the law should be changed by the legislature not the court system.
I am also for gay marriage, gay animal marriage, multi partner marriage, father daughter marriage, and human/inanimate object marriage. Or any combination of them. Why not.
Comments
Originally posted by Scott
Gay marriage
Scott, if you aren't gay, what the damn hell has it got to do with you whether two gay people get married? How does it hurt you? Are you that co-dependent? (i really dislike that term, but its apt here). What offends you so terribly about it that you would prefer to deny two people happiness and rights, for no logical or constructive reason other than to be bloodyminded?
If you approve of the institution of marriage, then why not reinforce the numbers by adding gay people? Statistically, married gay couples tend to stay together just as well as, or better than, straight people. The trouble with so many conservatives is that "if they ain't one of us, we don't want them, or make life difficult for them" philosophy. And...whatever happened tio the time honored conservative ideal of "keeping big government out of our lives"?
Gay unions : normal, nothing to see here.
Now if you think that the marriage is the root of the traditionnal family : a father a mother and kids. I can see reasons why people are worry.
Originally posted by Powerdoc
Now if you think that the marriage is the root of the traditionnal family : a father a mother and kids. I can see reasons why people are worry.
And wasn't it sweet how Britney Spears finally decided to take her wedding vows and settle down into a nice traditional family? Just imagine what marriage might become if we let gays do it...
Considering half of all marriages end in divorce... I don't really get how two people of the same sex can screw it up. What? They might get a divorce too???
And what's your problem with miranda rights?
I still don't see what rules have been inacted that effect you in a detrimental way.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
Wow. Just sounds like you guys are against civil rights.
Considering half of all marriages end in divorce... I don't really get how two people of the same sex can screw it up. What? They might get a divorce too???
And what's your problem with miranda rights?
I still don't see what rules have been inacted that effect you in a detrimental way.
When I was about 7 or so, my family was visiting my aunt's house like we did almost every weekend. I was bored so I sat next to my dad who was playing cards with the other "grownups". I began imitating everything he was doing including pretending to drink and smoke a cigarette. Eventually he notice me doing this and asked me "do you think smoking is cool", to which I said, "yeah, you do it."
My dad then proceeds to teach me how to smoke, he explains every detail and hands me a brand new cigarette and lights it for me. He says, "go ahead smoke it." So, wanting to impress all the grown ups, I wrapped my lips around it and breathed deep.
Of course, I began coughing like I never had and hacking and choking. Running down the hallway puking my guts out, wondering why my dad would let me smoke a cigarette and why he would want to.
It was a little traumatic to say the least, but looking back he really did me a favor. I never had the desire to smoke a cigarette, ever.
Now I know at this point that you are asking. "What does that have to do with this thread?" Well, you guys have forgotten, or so it seems, about the big lawsuit against the tobacco industry. That lawsuit and it's verdict opened the door wide for anyone to sue based upon stupidity. I know we all seem to ignore them saying, "oh jeez another stupid lawsuit.", but that one tobacco suit opened the floodgates.
Any business person will tell you that that plays into the decisions that he or she makes. You must take extraordinary measures to avoid being sued. People can sue for anything and waste your time and money just so they can walk away with a "shut up and let me get back to business" settlement. It happens on a daily basis.
Now, I knew even before my dad did that dirty trick that smoking was bad for you, and so does any child. Simple observation skills will lead to that conclusion, if not the label in plain english on the side of every pack.
That tobacco lawsuit was a big joke and everyone knows it. That lawsuit and all that have followed the same path have hurt every one of us in more ways than we would like to count.
My .02
Cigarettes are addictive... and kill you.
So again. Explain to me who suing a corporation that produces a product that kills you... and that lied to the american public... effects you detrimentally.
Nice story though.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
Except that for years (not lately) cigarette companies actually acted like it was GOOD for you.
Cigarettes are addictive... and kill you.
So again. Explain to me who suing a corporation that produces a product that kills you... and that lied to the american public... effects you detrimentally.
Nice story though.
I already did.
If you have any knowledge of chemicals you know that everything has a toxicity value. Hell, water can kill you. Too much of anything can kill you. Should labels be put on everything?
I do not know anyone that cannot just observe and know cigarettes are not good for you. My kids, from a very young age knew that, i am talking 2 and 3. So to say that verdict was right assumes ignorance for everyone. You also have to go against everything that everyone knows: Corporations are out to make money, so they will promote their product to achieve more sales.
That would be like me telling you, "gravity does not apply here on this 20 story building, it's safe to jump." And you actually believe it.
Smoking is the number one cause of death in the US. Cigarette companies market the number one cause of death in the US, and they should be perfectly free to do so - people are just stupid if they get addicted and die from it! Personal responsibility! (Except for corporations.)
Only in the last 20-30 years has there been actual proof that cigarette smoking is addictive and can kill you. The cigarette companies actually knew it for a bit longer and withheld that knowledge. I don't argue with the fact that anyone born in the last 10-20 years doesn't really have a leg to stand on to sue the tobacco companies... I mean it now says on the package it will kill you. However... it wasn't always the case.
And you still haven't explained to me how suing the tobacco giants has hurt you in any way.
Originally posted by BRussell
Wow, it's difficult to think of a better example of where civil suits serve a purpose, and NaplesX used it to make a case against them.
Smoking is the number one cause of death in the US. Cigarette companies market the number one cause of death in the US, and they should be perfectly free to do so - people are just stupid if they get addicted and die from it! Personal responsibility! (Except for corporations.)
Sex is the number 1 cause of unwanted pregnancies, Do you outlaw it. Or do you propose every person be sued that says "Come on baby, it will be good, nothing bad will happen"?
Nope. Last time I checked you can smoke a carton a day in the pleasant confines of your own home.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
You've explained that most things are harmful to me. Thanks. I'll try to kick my water addiction. If not I'm suing poland springs.
Only in the last 20-30 years has there been actual proof that cigarette smoking is addictive and can kill you. The cigarette companies actually knew it for a bit longer and withheld that knowledge. I don't argue with the fact that anyone born in the last 10-20 years doesn't really have a leg to stand on to sue the tobacco companies... I mean it now says on the package it will kill you. However... it wasn't always the case.
And you still haven't explained to me how suing the tobacco giants has hurt you in any way.
It is now acceptable to sue on the basis of ignorance.
That was the thing, most of those people said they did not know smoking was harmful. Despite the warning on the package, however late in coming, despite that first time they smoked and puked, despite doctors everywhere telling everyone to stop smoking. On and on and on....
The lawsuit set a precedent for court cases to come.
Oh wait, you fell for it didn't you?
All those fat people that sued McDonald's lost.
I fell for what?
Originally posted by chu_bakka
Has smoking been outlawed?
Nope. Last time I checked you can smoke a carton a day in the pleasant confines of your own home.
You just want to play devil's advocate don't you?
I am not going to sit here and argue cigarettes with you. The question was how court decisions have hurt people.
This one case has done that. Especially businesses.
Originally posted by sammi jo
Scott, if you aren't gay, what the damn hell has it got to do with you whether two gay people get married? How does it hurt you? Are you that co-dependent? (i really dislike that term, but its apt here). What offends you so terribly about it that you would prefer to deny two people happiness and rights, for no logical or constructive reason other than to be bloodyminded?
If you approve of the institution of marriage, then why not reinforce the numbers by adding gay people? Statistically, married gay couples tend to stay together just as well as, or better than, straight people. The trouble with so many conservatives is that "if they ain't one of us, we don't want them, or make life difficult for them" philosophy. And...whatever happened tio the time honored conservative ideal of "keeping big government out of our lives"?
I'm for gay marriage. I think the law should be changed by the legislature not the court system.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
How?
I picked my words fairly carefully. I have explained how. I feel that way and it is just my opinion. Please don't argue just to argue. It gets old real quick.
Originally posted by Scott
I'm for gay marriage. I think the law should be changed by the legislature not the court system.
I am also for gay marriage, gay animal marriage, multi partner marriage, father daughter marriage, and human/inanimate object marriage. Or any combination of them. Why not.