and last. those things would make the same cooling and power problem.
GAH
EDIT: ADD TO CONVERSATION: They have been working on ways to get a G5 into a PowerBook ever since the PowerMac G5 was introduced. And the cooling, and the 90nm chip. The thing is. The XServe still needs those vents in the front. I think that there will be some vents in the back of the PowerBook.
... by the way MWNY does not exist. DOES NOT EXIST.
... G5 powerbooks starting at 1.6 ghz and 90nm before school starts...
Surprised nobody else pointed out MWNY is history.
Speaking of history, Apple has a tradition of missing customer-desired dates, so IMHO it's very unlikely PBG5's will exist in the July/August school ordering timeframe. pooandwee is probably about right with his November '04 guess.
Maybe it's the offshore manufacturing, but in recent years everything from Apple seems to take months longer than it reasonably should. (The 15" Alubook comes to mind...)
I don't think that Apple has missed "customer-desired date." It is not like they are thinking "ohkay, guys, this is when everyone wants it, so, come on, let's push ourselves." They have their own dates. So, **** us. This is just pure speculation.
And, we can speculate about whatever we want that is not plain shit (such as those quad iBooks everyone talks about ), and the idea of talking about a PowerBook G5 is perfectly fine because there is a whole bunch of evidence pointing to the development of one and possibly the announcement of one, especially in this 20th Anniversary year that Jobs has already said they were going to release some "Great new Mac products."
It is happening in 2004, and I will put 30 Credits on the line.
what? i can't take a guess anymore? who says quad ibooksa re not arounf the corner?!?
anyway, lower priced powerbooks are a terrible value now... the ibook is just too fast for the price to justify the low-end powerbooks. thats why i think apple is desperate to get the G5 powerbook out soon...
what? i can't take a guess anymore? who says quad ibooksa re not arounf the corner?!?
anyway, lower priced powerbooks are a terrible value now... the ibook is just too fast for the price to justify the low-end powerbooks. thats why i think apple is desperate to get the G5 powerbook out soon...
What would look better than to annouce it at WWDC? Think about all of the geeky developers there that would love to get their hands on a 64bit portable machine... Mmmmm.... Apple would completely wipe the floor. Were not the G5's announced last WWDC?
MacMinute reported on an article at 5dias.com(Spanish) with hints from Steve Jobs about G5 laptops.
The most pertinent quote from the 5dias.com article:
Afterwards [Jobs] admitted that the decisive revolution will be the introduction in laptops of the new 64 bit chip, the G5, that the company has developed along with IBM, with an investment of 3 billion dollars. 'We are working on it and what we'd like is to have it by the end of next year', he said.
Translation by microrario and VladDracul.
A caveat: An offhand interview comment by Jobs should not necessarily be taken as a product release timeframe.
around september 2004 the powerbook sales will be close to zero if the G5 powerbook hasn't been announced yet.
if we get another G4 powerbook update somewhere between may and september 2004 it will be very sad for apple's pro laptop range.
especially if they throw in some dual G4's.
we'll get some nasty powerbook hysteria aka powerbook-nervosa in the months to come.
Think about all of the geeky developers there that would love to get their hands on a 64bit portable machine... Mmmmm.... Apple would completely wipe the floor.
The floor is already wiped by AMD (it's now 2-3 months), when it comes to 64bit portable machines...
This product should be ready any minute, infact as there press release suggests, thaey have already done beta testing with people like Apple and Intel...and technology would be availible at the end od 2003. Those PBs should be here in early April!
Cool link Jade. The problem with going forward with faster processors in the Powerbook (and ultimately all computers) is not Moore's Law, it is the law of thermodynamics. Increased power generates increased heat and this is what is preventing the G5 from appearing in the Powerbook.
Cooligy seems to be on to something here that can provide a solution to this dilemma. If I were IBM I'd buy the company right now just to keep it out of Intel's hands. I'm sure IBM has a trademark on "Micro Channel" architecture (a term used by Cooligy) filed away somewhere from the failed (to catch on) Micro Channel bus from the '70's.
In the Current Openings Cooligy is looking for a "staff scientist" with a "prefered knowledge" of surface modification such as silane chemistry:
I had no idea what that was all about, but a little Googling came up with this:
What that means to me is, if the are just hiring this guy, they are still trying to figure out how to bond their Micro Channel device to a very tiny, but really hot, little piece of silicon. Of course I'm sure IBM has some scientists with a great deal of surface modification using silane chemistry knowledge. (I'm winging it here, again) Let's hope they get this part figured out soon.
All that aside, I think we'll see the G5 Powerbook with this technology onboard. Along with it we will also see a fuel cell either replacing, or augmenting the battery in the G5 Powerbook. Powering the G5 is the flip side to the coin of cooling it.
{In related wild ass speculation, the waste byproduct of the fuel cell is water. Seems like I read somewhere on the web that somebody was developing a chip cooling system based on squirting micro amounts of water directly onto the chips surface to cool it.}
Since it may take some time for these two problems to be resolved, I think we will see a dual G4 configuration in the Powerbook before we will see a G5. It will probably restricted to plugged in for duals and stepped down to single CPU when on battery, but duals none the less.
I'm sure they could also do alternating use of the CPUs (taking turns being fully powered up) to assist in keeping the thing cooled down to usable levels.
So it is a given (I would think) that the G5 will come to the Powerbook so the real question is when?
Since this is the start of a New Year, and I have been giving predictions pretty freely lately (without any insider knowledge, I am no "Worker Bee") I'll go out on a limb and say that Apple will announce a dual G4 Powerbook as soon as sales really fall off for their current line due to anticipation of the G5 Powerbook, say around the WWDC this year. For the G5 (ta-da) Powerbook ~ the next MacWorld (that Apple attends).
My clairvoyance has sapped my mental energy, and my fingers are sore from all this typing ~ I'm going to get some breakfast.
hummm the apple engeners have done some crasy things in the past, whi not a PB G5 with 8 gigs of ram and a 250 gig hard drive, that would make any super-bowl watchin windows laptop usen human salovate....
but the pice tag...o the pricetag.......
$base 15 inch $2200 1.6 g5 and 265meg/60gig
250gig +o say...$250
and 8 gigs of ram?.....well i hope you are sitting down for this.........
wouldntit be nice(slap slap pinch scream)..fffewhwhw sorry got stuck in dreamland for a moment.
A reminder that while there is no more Macworld NY, Macworld Boston will still be held from July 12 - July 15.
Apple and IDG are still discussing Apple's presence at the show. So far, it has been reported that Apple will attend the show (have a booth), but it appears (as of now) that Steve Jobs won't give a keynote speech.
My housemate was in the apple design centre and saw graphic prototypes of a black powerbook. More than likely it was a designer daydreaming, but a black G5 powerbook...
Holy friggin' voltron, that'd rule!!!! add a red apple to the back of screen and you'd have the most evil mother of a lappie to ever grace the earth!
Did it ever occur to anyone that the aluminum PowerBooks released in the past year are stop-gap measures until the G5 is ready? As I have said so many times before, Apple was working with IBM long before the G5 was publicly announced for the Power Macs. What makes anyone think that the desktop version of this processor was all they were collaborating on during that time? It would seem to me -- Jobs the visionary that he is and the fact that he has pointed this trend out at his keynotes -- that laptops are increasingly becoming more and more popular. So I reiterate, what makes anyone think that Apple hasn't also been hard at work on a PowerBook G5? After all, it took them 7 months to come out with an xServe. So...there is hope.
Comments
Originally posted by macnn sux
G4 ibooks will go dual (you heard it here first!)
and last. those things would make the same cooling and power problem.
GAH
EDIT: ADD TO CONVERSATION: They have been working on ways to get a G5 into a PowerBook ever since the PowerMac G5 was introduced. And the cooling, and the 90nm chip. The thing is. The XServe still needs those vents in the front. I think that there will be some vents in the back of the PowerBook.
Now after 3 years of rumors on the G5 PM, please don't start a new roll with PB rumors
Originally posted by Nebagakid
and last. those things would make the same cooling and power problem.
i think the ibook line is gonna go extinct or get innovative...
maybe 5 yrs after we first saw a dual they finally figured how to do it, even if it is at the low and mid speeds...
i dunno. looking at the site, i wonder who in their right mind would get a 12" powerbook?
Originally posted by macnn sux
... by the way MWNY does not exist. DOES NOT EXIST.
... G5 powerbooks starting at 1.6 ghz and 90nm before school starts...
Surprised nobody else pointed out MWNY is history.
Speaking of history, Apple has a tradition of missing customer-desired dates, so IMHO it's very unlikely PBG5's will exist in the July/August school ordering timeframe. pooandwee is probably about right with his November '04 guess.
Maybe it's the offshore manufacturing, but in recent years everything from Apple seems to take months longer than it reasonably should. (The 15" Alubook comes to mind...)
And, we can speculate about whatever we want that is not plain shit (such as those quad iBooks everyone talks about
It is happening in 2004, and I will put 30 Credits on the line.
anyway, lower priced powerbooks are a terrible value now... the ibook is just too fast for the price to justify the low-end powerbooks. thats why i think apple is desperate to get the G5 powerbook out soon...
Originally posted by macnn sux
what? i can't take a guess anymore? who says quad ibooksa re not arounf the corner?!?
anyway, lower priced powerbooks are a terrible value now... the ibook is just too fast for the price to justify the low-end powerbooks. thats why i think apple is desperate to get the G5 powerbook out soon...
...or at least up the AluBook's specs...
Originally posted by Nebagakid
...or at least up the AluBook's specs...
free ipod with the damn thing atleast!!!
holla!
Originally posted by macnn sux
i dunno. looking at the site, i wonder who in their right mind would get a 12" powerbook?
People who don't like white!
Originally posted by Sopphode
MWSF 2005
Now after 3 years of rumors on the G5 PM, please don't start a new roll with PB rumors
before 2005...?
from macrumors
PowerBook G5: By end of 2004?
Sunday September 21, 2003 04:10 PM EST
MacMinute reported on an article at 5dias.com(Spanish) with hints from Steve Jobs about G5 laptops.
The most pertinent quote from the 5dias.com article:
Afterwards [Jobs] admitted that the decisive revolution will be the introduction in laptops of the new 64 bit chip, the G5, that the company has developed along with IBM, with an investment of 3 billion dollars. 'We are working on it and what we'd like is to have it by the end of next year', he said.
Translation by microrario and VladDracul.
A caveat: An offhand interview comment by Jobs should not necessarily be taken as a product release timeframe.
around september 2004 the powerbook sales will be close to zero if the G5 powerbook hasn't been announced yet.
if we get another G4 powerbook update somewhere between may and september 2004 it will be very sad for apple's pro laptop range.
especially if they throw in some dual G4's.
we'll get some nasty powerbook hysteria aka powerbook-nervosa in the months to come.
Originally posted by tfworld
Think about all of the geeky developers there that would love to get their hands on a 64bit portable machine... Mmmmm.... Apple would completely wipe the floor.
The floor is already wiped by AMD (it's now 2-3 months), when it comes to 64bit portable machines...
Originally posted by gar
around september 2004 the powerbook sales will be close to zero if the G5 powerbook hasn't been announced yet.
Hard to tell really. How many people know about this interview, apart those lurking in these boards?
wait and see
Originally posted by jade
i think the one inch powerbook g5s will appear.
cooligy
This product should be ready any minute, infact as there press release suggests, thaey have already done beta testing with people like Apple and Intel...and technology would be availible at the end od 2003. Those PBs should be here in early April!
Cool link Jade. The problem with going forward with faster processors in the Powerbook (and ultimately all computers) is not Moore's Law, it is the law of thermodynamics. Increased power generates increased heat and this is what is preventing the G5 from appearing in the Powerbook.
Cooligy seems to be on to something here that can provide a solution to this dilemma. If I were IBM I'd buy the company right now just to keep it out of Intel's hands. I'm sure IBM has a trademark on "Micro Channel" architecture (a term used by Cooligy) filed away somewhere from the failed (to catch on) Micro Channel bus from the '70's.
In the Current Openings Cooligy is looking for a "staff scientist" with a "prefered knowledge" of surface modification such as silane chemistry:
I had no idea what that was all about, but a little Googling came up with this:
What that means to me is, if the are just hiring this guy, they are still trying to figure out how to bond their Micro Channel device to a very tiny, but really hot, little piece of silicon. Of course I'm sure IBM has some scientists with a great deal of surface modification using silane chemistry knowledge. (I'm winging it here, again) Let's hope they get this part figured out soon.
All that aside, I think we'll see the G5 Powerbook with this technology onboard. Along with it we will also see a fuel cell either replacing, or augmenting the battery in the G5 Powerbook. Powering the G5 is the flip side to the coin of cooling it.
{In related wild ass speculation, the waste byproduct of the fuel cell is water. Seems like I read somewhere on the web that somebody was developing a chip cooling system based on squirting micro amounts of water directly onto the chips surface to cool it.}
Since it may take some time for these two problems to be resolved, I think we will see a dual G4 configuration in the Powerbook before we will see a G5. It will probably restricted to plugged in for duals and stepped down to single CPU when on battery, but duals none the less.
I'm sure they could also do alternating use of the CPUs (taking turns being fully powered up) to assist in keeping the thing cooled down to usable levels.
So it is a given (I would think) that the G5 will come to the Powerbook so the real question is when?
Since this is the start of a New Year, and I have been giving predictions pretty freely lately (without any insider knowledge, I am no "Worker Bee") I'll go out on a limb and say that Apple will announce a dual G4 Powerbook as soon as sales really fall off for their current line due to anticipation of the G5 Powerbook, say around the WWDC this year. For the G5 (ta-da) Powerbook ~ the next MacWorld (that Apple attends).
My clairvoyance has sapped my mental energy, and my fingers are sore from all this typing ~ I'm going to get some breakfast.
but the pice tag...o the pricetag.......
$base 15 inch $2200 1.6 g5 and 265meg/60gig
250gig +o say...$250
and 8 gigs of ram?.....well i hope you are sitting down for this.........
wouldntit be nice(slap slap pinch scream)..fffewhwhw sorry got stuck in dreamland for a moment.
Apple and IDG are still discussing Apple's presence at the show. So far, it has been reported that Apple will attend the show (have a booth), but it appears (as of now) that Steve Jobs won't give a keynote speech.
there, fixed that, Thanks fran
Holy friggin' voltron, that'd rule!!!! add a red apple to the back of screen and you'd have the most evil mother of a lappie to ever grace the earth!