So people have to re-rip their music. Guess what the default is in iTunes? .aac. Why? Because then the only player people can currently use is the iPod. Make the best music store and get those interested in downloading music legally. Make the best music playing software and get anyone who wants to listen to music on a portable player. It's important for Apple to make people encode in .aac and not playing WMA in iTunes is the best way to do that.
Yes, but what about the people that are not going to re-rip? I completely agree that iTunes, iPod, and AAC are better than what MS has to offer, but there are going to be people that will never experience the trifecta because all their music is in WMA and they are not going to re-rip. However, by allowing iTunes to play these WMA files, it takes away the issues of ripping in WMA again because as you pointed out, iTunes rips in AAC. So now, they have their WMA, but are ripping new music into AAC and hopefully buying songs from iTMS, I just don't see how this is a bad thing.
Yes, but what about the people that are not going to re-rip? I completely agree that iTunes, iPod, and AAC are better than what MS has to offer, but there are going to be people that will never experience the trifecta because all their music is in WMA and they are not going to re-rip. However, by allowing iTunes to play these WMA files, it takes away the issues of ripping in WMA again because as you pointed out, iTunes rips in AAC. So now, they have their WMA, but are ripping new music into AAC and hopefully buying songs from iTMS, I just don't see how this is a bad thing.
Yes, what about them? They have to deal with it for being lazy. And what about the people who bougt from all the WMA music services? They have to deal with investing in the wrong service.
HOM, I hate to break it to you, but that other 90% is using Windows. Even though iTunes only rips to AAC, nothing is stopping them from ripping to WMA in WMP. What would stop them for sure is not including WMA support at all.
I'm wondering which app is going to load audio CDs by default on HP's PCs...If it's iTunes and not Windows Media Player, I wonder how soon it will be until Windows Update kicks in with a 'patch' that makes Windows Media Player the default again...
Yes, what about them? They have to deal with it for being lazy. And what about the people who bougt from all the WMA music services? They have to deal with investing in the wrong service.
HOM, I hate to break it to you, but that other 90% is using Windows. Even though iTunes only rips to AAC, nothing is stopping them from ripping to WMA in WMP. What would stop them for sure is not including WMA support at all.
I'm wondering which app is going to load audio CDs by default on HP's PCs...If it's iTunes and not Windows Media Player, I wonder how soon it will be until Windows Update kicks in with a 'patch' that makes Windows Media Player the default again...
MY GOD 90%? When did this happen?
By including WMA support it is lowing the cost of entry barrier for iTunes. I also don't see how not supporting WMA support would prevent them from ripping into WMA in the future in fact it would seem that precluding WMA is encouraging them to continues to use WMP. I also don't think that Apple should support other people's music store songs, like I said above. As for MS having a patch that overwrites iTunes's hold on default CD program, I'm sure that has been in the works since iTunes was first released for Windows. I also am sure that Apple has an update for iTunes waiting to follow it up.
I think it comes down to this, by including WMA files it is giving people that have ripped their cds into WMA a reasons to try iTunes. Once in iTunes I have no doubt that they are going to stay and start ripping future cds into AAC, buying iTMS songs, and perhaps get an iPod. Keeping these people out does nothing to help iTunes.
By including WMA support it is lowing the cost of entry barrier for iTunes. I also don't see how not supporting WMA support would prevent them from ripping into WMA in the future in fact it would seem that precluding WMA is encouraging them to continues to use WMP. I also don't think that Apple should support other people's music store songs, like I said above. As for MS having a patch that overwrites iTunes's hold on default CD program, I'm sure that has been in the works since iTunes was first released for Windows. I also am sure that Apple has an update for iTunes waiting to follow it up.
I think it comes down to this, by including WMA files it is giving people that have ripped their cds into WMA a reasons to try iTunes. Once in iTunes I have no doubt that they are going to stay and start ripping future cds into AAC, buying iTMS songs, and perhaps get an iPod. Keeping these people out does nothing to help iTunes.
Cost of entry? Is inflation so bad these days that $0 doesn't mean zero dollars?
If they own an iPod, they will not be ripping to WMA, because they won't be able to use it on the iPod. Get it?
Precluding WMA means they won't be ripping in it. As a result it means they won't be tempted to use WMP to rip to WMA just to play on the iPod. This is about accelerating the rate of adoption for AAC, so others will support it. Giving in to MS would be absolutely retarded.
And why are you into selectively supporting standard WMA but no DRM'd WMA? That doesn't make sense. In your own words, wouldn't that be encouraging them to use WMP anyway?
You're naive if you think people will change without so much as a push in the right direction. People need to be forced into situations sometimes, especialy when they don't know how much they're being steered in the first place.
And there's this little issue of licensing. Once WMA completely marginalizes AAC for good and takes over as the standard in the entire CE and computer industry, what's going to stop them from forcing new licensing agreements on us? There is no equivalent of rent control here.
Contrary to reports, Hewlett-Packard will not be supporting Microsoft's Windows Media Audio format in its forthcoming HP-branded iPod.
According to Paul Thurrot's WinInfo newsletter, HP is working with Apple to add support for WMA to the iPod. Thurrot's report was widely circulated online on Monday.
However, a spokesman for HP denied any such plans.
"We're not going to be supporting WMA for now," said Muffi Ghadiali, product marketing manager for HP's digital entertainment products group.
"We picked the service that was the most popular (Apple's iTunes Music Store)," said Ghadiali. "We could have chosen another format, but that would have created more confusion for our customers."
He added, "Most customers don't care about the format they're downloading."
Cost of entry? Is inflation so bad these days that $0 doesn't mean zero dollars?
Right, because the only cost are dollar amounts
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Originally posted by Eugene
If they own an iPod, they will not be ripping to WMA, because they won't be able to use it on the iPod. Get it?
And what of the people that refuse to buy iPods because their music is ripped into WMA?
Quote:
Originally posted by Eugene
Precluding WMA means they won't be ripping in it. As a result it means they won't be tempted to use WMP to rip to WMA just to play on the iPod. This is about accelerating the rate of adoption for AAC, so others will support it. Giving in to MS would be absolutely retarded.
Precluding WMA means that people that already have ripped into WMA will not be buying iPods or using iTunes. How does this help increase AAC adoption? Ok, just so I get your argument, if iTunes could play WMA files people would go out of their default application to rip into WMA just to bring it into iTunes later? Is that what you're saying?
Quote:
Originally posted by Eugene
And why are you into selectively supporting standard WMA but no DRM'd WMA? That doesn't make sense. In your own words, wouldn't that be encouraging them to use WMP anyway?
My own words? People that buy songs from Napster or Music Match made a bad call and locked themselves into that service and the players that can play those files, but iTunes shouldn't be locking people that made no active decision then to rip their music in the default application.
Quote:
Originally posted by Eugene
You're naive if you think people will change without so much as a push in the right direction. People need to be forced into situations sometimes, especialy when they don't know how much they're being steered in the first place.
Where as you think the stick is the best way to get people to convert, I think the carrot is. Locking out WMA is not forcing people to do anything but continue to not use iTunes.
Quote:
Originally posted by Eugene
And there's this little issue of licensing. Once WMA completely marginalizes AAC for good and takes over as the standard in the entire CE and computer industry, what's going to stop them from forcing new licensing agreements on us? There is no equivalent of rent control here.
There is nothing that will stop them except the Consent Decree with the DoJ I just don't see it your way, that by including WMA files Apple now has suddenly lost the war. Actually, what I am arguing for is embrace and extend, a very MS position. I think we both want people to start using iTunes and AAC files. You think the best way to get them to do it is by making all the music they have ripped into WMA useless. I think it would be better to get those files and people into iTunes.
Contrary to reports, Hewlett-Packard will not be supporting Microsoft's Windows Media Audio format in its forthcoming HP-branded iPod.
According to Paul Thurrot's WinInfo newsletter, HP is working with Apple to add support for WMA to the iPod. Thurrot's report was widely circulated online on Monday.
However, a spokesman for HP denied any such plans.
"We're not going to be supporting WMA for now," said Muffi Ghadiali, product marketing manager for HP's digital entertainment products group.
"We picked the service that was the most popular (Apple's iTunes Music Store)," said Ghadiali. "We could have chosen another format, but that would have created more confusion for our customers."
He added, "Most customers don't care about the format they're downloading."
I wonder how long it will be before Thurrott removes his "you heard it here first" comment. And will it be removed without comment. If he had ANY credibility before this incident, he has less than my cat now.
Comments
Originally posted by torifile
So people have to re-rip their music. Guess what the default is in iTunes? .aac. Why? Because then the only player people can currently use is the iPod. Make the best music store and get those interested in downloading music legally. Make the best music playing software and get anyone who wants to listen to music on a portable player. It's important for Apple to make people encode in .aac and not playing WMA in iTunes is the best way to do that.
Yes, but what about the people that are not going to re-rip? I completely agree that iTunes, iPod, and AAC are better than what MS has to offer, but there are going to be people that will never experience the trifecta because all their music is in WMA and they are not going to re-rip. However, by allowing iTunes to play these WMA files, it takes away the issues of ripping in WMA again because as you pointed out, iTunes rips in AAC. So now, they have their WMA, but are ripping new music into AAC and hopefully buying songs from iTMS, I just don't see how this is a bad thing.
Originally posted by HOM
Yes, but what about the people that are not going to re-rip? I completely agree that iTunes, iPod, and AAC are better than what MS has to offer, but there are going to be people that will never experience the trifecta because all their music is in WMA and they are not going to re-rip. However, by allowing iTunes to play these WMA files, it takes away the issues of ripping in WMA again because as you pointed out, iTunes rips in AAC. So now, they have their WMA, but are ripping new music into AAC and hopefully buying songs from iTMS, I just don't see how this is a bad thing.
Yes, what about them? They have to deal with it for being lazy. And what about the people who bougt from all the WMA music services? They have to deal with investing in the wrong service.
HOM, I hate to break it to you, but that other 90% is using Windows. Even though iTunes only rips to AAC, nothing is stopping them from ripping to WMA in WMP. What would stop them for sure is not including WMA support at all.
I'm wondering which app is going to load audio CDs by default on HP's PCs...If it's iTunes and not Windows Media Player, I wonder how soon it will be until Windows Update kicks in with a 'patch' that makes Windows Media Player the default again...
Originally posted by Eugene
Yes, what about them? They have to deal with it for being lazy. And what about the people who bougt from all the WMA music services? They have to deal with investing in the wrong service.
HOM, I hate to break it to you, but that other 90% is using Windows. Even though iTunes only rips to AAC, nothing is stopping them from ripping to WMA in WMP. What would stop them for sure is not including WMA support at all.
I'm wondering which app is going to load audio CDs by default on HP's PCs...If it's iTunes and not Windows Media Player, I wonder how soon it will be until Windows Update kicks in with a 'patch' that makes Windows Media Player the default again...
MY GOD 90%? When did this happen?
By including WMA support it is lowing the cost of entry barrier for iTunes. I also don't see how not supporting WMA support would prevent them from ripping into WMA in the future in fact it would seem that precluding WMA is encouraging them to continues to use WMP. I also don't think that Apple should support other people's music store songs, like I said above. As for MS having a patch that overwrites iTunes's hold on default CD program, I'm sure that has been in the works since iTunes was first released for Windows. I also am sure that Apple has an update for iTunes waiting to follow it up.
I think it comes down to this, by including WMA files it is giving people that have ripped their cds into WMA a reasons to try iTunes. Once in iTunes I have no doubt that they are going to stay and start ripping future cds into AAC, buying iTMS songs, and perhaps get an iPod. Keeping these people out does nothing to help iTunes.
Originally posted by HOM
MY GOD 90%? When did this happen?
By including WMA support it is lowing the cost of entry barrier for iTunes. I also don't see how not supporting WMA support would prevent them from ripping into WMA in the future in fact it would seem that precluding WMA is encouraging them to continues to use WMP. I also don't think that Apple should support other people's music store songs, like I said above. As for MS having a patch that overwrites iTunes's hold on default CD program, I'm sure that has been in the works since iTunes was first released for Windows. I also am sure that Apple has an update for iTunes waiting to follow it up.
I think it comes down to this, by including WMA files it is giving people that have ripped their cds into WMA a reasons to try iTunes. Once in iTunes I have no doubt that they are going to stay and start ripping future cds into AAC, buying iTMS songs, and perhaps get an iPod. Keeping these people out does nothing to help iTunes.
Cost of entry? Is inflation so bad these days that $0 doesn't mean zero dollars?
If they own an iPod, they will not be ripping to WMA, because they won't be able to use it on the iPod. Get it?
Precluding WMA means they won't be ripping in it. As a result it means they won't be tempted to use WMP to rip to WMA just to play on the iPod. This is about accelerating the rate of adoption for AAC, so others will support it. Giving in to MS would be absolutely retarded.
And why are you into selectively supporting standard WMA but no DRM'd WMA? That doesn't make sense. In your own words, wouldn't that be encouraging them to use WMP anyway?
You're naive if you think people will change without so much as a push in the right direction. People need to be forced into situations sometimes, especialy when they don't know how much they're being steered in the first place.
And there's this little issue of licensing. Once WMA completely marginalizes AAC for good and takes over as the standard in the entire CE and computer industry, what's going to stop them from forcing new licensing agreements on us? There is no equivalent of rent control here.
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0...w=wn_tophead_1
Contrary to reports, Hewlett-Packard will not be supporting Microsoft's Windows Media Audio format in its forthcoming HP-branded iPod.
According to Paul Thurrot's WinInfo newsletter, HP is working with Apple to add support for WMA to the iPod. Thurrot's report was widely circulated online on Monday.
However, a spokesman for HP denied any such plans.
"We're not going to be supporting WMA for now," said Muffi Ghadiali, product marketing manager for HP's digital entertainment products group.
"We picked the service that was the most popular (Apple's iTunes Music Store)," said Ghadiali. "We could have chosen another format, but that would have created more confusion for our customers."
He added, "Most customers don't care about the format they're downloading."
Originally posted by Eugene
Cost of entry? Is inflation so bad these days that $0 doesn't mean zero dollars?
Right, because the only cost are dollar amounts
Originally posted by Eugene
If they own an iPod, they will not be ripping to WMA, because they won't be able to use it on the iPod. Get it?
And what of the people that refuse to buy iPods because their music is ripped into WMA?
Originally posted by Eugene
Precluding WMA means they won't be ripping in it. As a result it means they won't be tempted to use WMP to rip to WMA just to play on the iPod. This is about accelerating the rate of adoption for AAC, so others will support it. Giving in to MS would be absolutely retarded.
Precluding WMA means that people that already have ripped into WMA will not be buying iPods or using iTunes. How does this help increase AAC adoption? Ok, just so I get your argument, if iTunes could play WMA files people would go out of their default application to rip into WMA just to bring it into iTunes later? Is that what you're saying?
Originally posted by Eugene
And why are you into selectively supporting standard WMA but no DRM'd WMA? That doesn't make sense. In your own words, wouldn't that be encouraging them to use WMP anyway?
My own words? People that buy songs from Napster or Music Match made a bad call and locked themselves into that service and the players that can play those files, but iTunes shouldn't be locking people that made no active decision then to rip their music in the default application.
Originally posted by Eugene
You're naive if you think people will change without so much as a push in the right direction. People need to be forced into situations sometimes, especialy when they don't know how much they're being steered in the first place.
Where as you think the stick is the best way to get people to convert, I think the carrot is. Locking out WMA is not forcing people to do anything but continue to not use iTunes.
Originally posted by Eugene
And there's this little issue of licensing. Once WMA completely marginalizes AAC for good and takes over as the standard in the entire CE and computer industry, what's going to stop them from forcing new licensing agreements on us? There is no equivalent of rent control here.
There is nothing that will stop them except the Consent Decree with the DoJ
Contrary to reports, Hewlett-Packard will not be supporting Microsoft's Windows Media Audio format in its forthcoming HP-branded iPod.
According to Paul Thurrot's WinInfo newsletter, HP is working with Apple to add support for WMA to the iPod. Thurrot's report was widely circulated online on Monday.
However, a spokesman for HP denied any such plans.
"We're not going to be supporting WMA for now," said Muffi Ghadiali, product marketing manager for HP's digital entertainment products group.
"We picked the service that was the most popular (Apple's iTunes Music Store)," said Ghadiali. "We could have chosen another format, but that would have created more confusion for our customers."
He added, "Most customers don't care about the format they're downloading."
Complete article here.
Originally posted by MacsRGood4U
From Wired News:
Complete article here.
MCQ beat you to it.
I wonder how long it will be before Thurrott removes his "you heard it here first" comment. And will it be removed without comment. If he had ANY credibility before this incident, he has less than my cat now.
How you can have a cult of personality without a personality is beyond me, but somehow he's done it.
http://homepage.mac.com/thurrott/PhotoAlbum2.html