Dennis Miller Then and Now
Dennis Miller Now:
Then
And, for media types who are getting all touchy about Hitler comparisons, may I suggest clicking on this link.
I could spend all day finding bloggers who are all "upset" about Move On, and who have been motivated to call ADL over it, and who regularly use the word "Hitlery."
Rush Limbaugh regularly calls [Hillary] ""Hitlery."
Neil Boortz regularly calls her "Hitlery.
...The Hamster has a whole bunch of Miller/Nazi quotes.
From Atrios
Quote:
"Well, can you blame me? One of the biggest malfeasances of the left right now is the mislabeling of Hitler. Quit saying this guy is Hitler," he said, referring to Mr. Bush. "Hitler is Hitler. That's the quintessential evil in the history of the universe, and we're throwing it around on MoveOn.org to win a contest. That's grotesque to me."
"Well, can you blame me? One of the biggest malfeasances of the left right now is the mislabeling of Hitler. Quit saying this guy is Hitler," he said, referring to Mr. Bush. "Hitler is Hitler. That's the quintessential evil in the history of the universe, and we're throwing it around on MoveOn.org to win a contest. That's grotesque to me."
Then
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Indeed, Miller was especially merciless in bashing Gingrich. Many of his anti-Newt quips compared the House Speaker to Adolf Hitler ? and, by extension, portrayed the GOP Congress as a sinister collection of would-be brownshirts. For example, in his opening monologue on December 23, 1994, Miller joked that Gingrich's forthcoming book would "be available through the Mein Kampf of the Month Club." A few weeks later, he announced the post-election transfer of power on Capitol Hill as follows: "Gingrich and the Republicans took over Congress this week. This is actually Gingrich's second attempt to seize power, the first, of course, being the ill-fated Beer Hall Putsch."
Indeed, Miller was especially merciless in bashing Gingrich. Many of his anti-Newt quips compared the House Speaker to Adolf Hitler ? and, by extension, portrayed the GOP Congress as a sinister collection of would-be brownshirts. For example, in his opening monologue on December 23, 1994, Miller joked that Gingrich's forthcoming book would "be available through the Mein Kampf of the Month Club." A few weeks later, he announced the post-election transfer of power on Capitol Hill as follows: "Gingrich and the Republicans took over Congress this week. This is actually Gingrich's second attempt to seize power, the first, of course, being the ill-fated Beer Hall Putsch."
And, for media types who are getting all touchy about Hitler comparisons, may I suggest clicking on this link.
I could spend all day finding bloggers who are all "upset" about Move On, and who have been motivated to call ADL over it, and who regularly use the word "Hitlery."
Rush Limbaugh regularly calls [Hillary] ""Hitlery."
Neil Boortz regularly calls her "Hitlery.
...The Hamster has a whole bunch of Miller/Nazi quotes.
From Atrios
Comments
2) Miller is an independent thinker, and morons who can't see past the two-party dichotomy of politics love to make him part of that black/white game.
Nick
I really like the case you've presented with Dennis Miller, a good clear example of hypocrisy. When he believed in the agenda of the liberal politics he was unabashed at using that hateful label without fair regard of its use. Now that he's older, more studied and unabashedly conservative he recognizes the diminution of the word by incorrect application. He realizes that the acts committed at the direction of Adolf Hitler are so heinous that there can be no comparison made with regular politicians.
Of course, all of the people you've mentioned are comedians and chat show hosts, all of whom make a living by being in the public spotlight. There is no such excuse for the MoveOn people's use of Hitler, no matter how far "removed" the website's hosts were from the offending material.
You said it best Northgate, them liberals are a hatin' bunch.
Originally posted by drewprops
You said it best Northgate, them liberals are a hatin' bunch.
This is so true. I mean how many times must a liberal blow up an abortion clinic before we realize they are consumed by hate and conservatives are far more level headed and loving?
Where does Miller stand on:
the drug war
gay marriage
big corporations
Originally posted by groverat
Unabashedly conservative?
Where does Miller stand on:
the drug war
gay marriage
big corporations
Bingo. Just because the guy wasn't against the war with Iraq doesn't make him Mr. Conservative. But of course that's the way he gets portrayed by both sides for his stance.
Originally posted by drewprops
How many Hitler-like posts have we seen on this board in the last month? Quite a few. American culture is Amnesiastic, the widespread use of the label of "Hitler" is a clear sign of this.
Hah. It's not just Americans. I think it's a general part of being human.
Originally posted by groverat
Unabashedly conservative?
Where does Miller stand on:
the drug war
gay marriage
big corporations
Well, lets see. I've heard him riff on his contempt for international law, his enthusiasm for the death penalty, his feeling that the Democrats are pack of viscous jackels, his sense that trying to protect homosexuals from things like having the crap beaten out of them amounts to treating them like "a Faberge egg", his disgust for "liberalism" in general, and his fondness for George Bush. He's become a big draw for Republican fundraisers and a regular voice of the right on TV.
Many conservatives feel that the drug war is a disaster. I don't know where he stands on gay marriage, and I haven't heard him on big corporations in a while.
So yeah, he's pretty much unabashedly conservative, ever more so. I think he's figured out there's more money in it.
It seems like a new notion of the right to try and portray people of the right as "free thinkers"; i.e. not driven by partisan passion but ruled by common sense. It's bullshit.
Originally posted by addabox
Well, lets see. I've heard him riff on his contempt for international law, his enthusiasm for the death penalty, his feeling that the Democrats are pack of viscous jackels, his sense that trying to protect homosexuals from things like having the crap beaten out of them amounts to treating them like "a Faberge egg", his disgust for "liberalism" in general, and his fondness for George Bush. He's become a big draw for Republican fundraisers and a regular voice of the right on TV.
- He doesn't hold contempt for international law in general, only when it oversteps it's bounds
- Yes, he's pro-death penalty. So are many liberals I know.
- If you think he's only accused Dems of being vicious jackals, you need to familiarize yourself with him a bit more.
- His stance is that there's no need for gay rights laws, because there are already laws against things like beating the shit out of people that protect them. Why make a separate law of the same equality that only pertains to homosexuals?
- His disgust for liberalism? He holds contempt for establishment. I must have missed the day in school when this was said to pertain to liberals alone.
- He does not attend Republican fundraisers as a Republican fundraiser. He has attended events in which he reiterated his support for the action taken in Iraq. But he does little to "support" Republicans beyond that.
Many conservatives feel that the drug war is a disaster. I don't know where he stands on gay marriage, and I haven't heard him on big corporations in a while.
The fact that you don't know where he stands on these issues, issues which he is decidedly liberal on, shows that you are not informing yourself properly. You need to seek sources other than ones you are familiar with. None of those things you fail to know about him are difficult to find out, as he's quite outspoken about his views on them.
Originally posted by rageous
-The fact that you don't know where he stands on these issues, issues which he is decidedly liberal on, shows that you are not informing yourself properly. You need to seek sources other than ones you are familiar with. None of those things you fail to know about him are difficult to find out, as he's quite outspoken about his views on them.
Let's dial down the patronizing crap, shall we? I am familiar with Miller's stuff, and it's clear to me that, while being what I would call "moderate" on a few social issues, he has morphed into the very poster boy for in-your face-conservatism. I mean, the GOP wants him to run for office in California, for God's sake.
His performer's instincts leave little room for nuance, which is probably why he's such a good fit for the right. He says "he couldnt give a rat's ass for the United Nations", "couldn't give two fvcks for Nato", figures if you got caught up in the dragnet and are languishing at Guantanamo, you're guilty of something and crying about due process is bullshit.
Now you would have this all be about Iraq and terror, I say it betrays a sensiblity that values being powerful and certain over justice; in other words, right wing.
I maintain that pretending that the odd social issue makes Miller a "free thinker" when his character has evolved into such a "kill 'em all and let God sort em out" stance is not just dishonest, but part and parcel of a pattern of dishonesty that includes Bill O'Reilly posing as an "independent" and Schwarzenegger claiming to be a different kind of Republican because of some lip service to the enviroment and easy-going feelings aboout gays. (You might want to take a look at where the money is getting cut to balance California's budget to see just how "different" he is).
In other words, making Dennis Miller out to be an independant strikes me complicit in process of normalizing right wing thought as "common sense", or "non-partisan". I still say it's bullshit.
Originally posted by addabox
In other words, making Dennis Miller out to be an independant strikes me complicit in process of normalizing right wing thought as "common sense", or "non-partisan". I still say it's bullshit.
Well you can call it bullshit all you want, but Miller is far more liberal on the vast majority of issues than he is conservative. You can dispute that all you want, or say that only makes him a "moderate Republican," but you'd be incorrect.
Originally posted by rageous
Well you can call it bullshit all you want, but Miller is far more liberal on the vast majority of issues than he is conservative. You can dispute that all you want, or say that only makes him a "moderate Republican," but you'd be incorrect.
I wonder why the Republican party wants a guy whos is "far more liberal on the vast majority of issues" to run for office?
Originally posted by addabox
I wonder why the Republican party wants a guy whos is "far more liberal on the vast majority of issues" to run for office?
The Republican Party has said they want him to run? Other than the musings of a few people on the west coast, I've heard no real person of interest or influence say they'd like to see him run. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
Originally posted by rageous
The Republican Party has said they want him to run? Other than the musings of a few people on the west coast, I've heard no real person of interest or influence say they'd like to see him run. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
Sure: Republican Strategists Eyeing Dennis Miller for State Politics
Originally posted by addabox
Sure: Republican Strategists Eyeing Dennis Miller for State Politics
Nice try, but they don't even name who these strategists are in that article. In fact one only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.
Originally posted by rageous
Nice try, but they don't even name who these strategists are in that article. In fact one only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.
So your contention is what-- the LA Times made this up out of whole cloth to damage Miller's rep as a free thinker? Let's just assume they actually talked to Republican strategists. Why do you suppose same would want the largely liberal Miller to run?
Here it is for you:
The Republican Party has said they want him to run? Other than the musings of a few people on the west coast, I've heard no real person of interest or influence say they'd like to see him run. Perhaps you could enlighten me
Then I say the link you offer was a poor effort at countering what I said, because it doesn't name names, thus shows no proof that any people of worth within the Republican Party have stated they'd like to see Miller run, which is what you were attempting to show me.
Does this clarify it a bit?
Originally posted by addabox
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Now you would have this all be about Iraq and terror, I say it betrays a sensiblity that values being powerful and certain over justice; in other words, right wing.
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You really ought to reexamine this kind leftist demagoguery. It is rather obscene, all things considered..
Here. Have a look in the mirror