One of the biggest Mac OS X 10.4 features: Linux? It's that time of year again, folks - last year's big operating system release, Panther, is about to get by far its largest and most mature update yet in the form of 10.3.3 and Safari 1.2 in the next couple of weeks, and Apple's attention is beginning to turn to its next major release.
One of our oldest sources has reported in on the beginning stages of this process, and the first item on his bullet list: Linux. Mac OS X 10.4 will more closely merge the Apple experience with that of Linux in several key ways that will visible to users as well as developers. Panther already implements a number of Linux APIs, but Apple hopes to make 10.4's adoptions higher-profile and therefore mirror (rather than cannibalize, we can hope!) Linux's success in creating an "opening wedge" into the Windows world.
So, in the "make a g5 suck" thread, I mentioned how Savage is my favorite PC game, and that it was a bummer that it wasn't out on mac(and most likely won't be ported)
someone suggested I could get YDL running on a partition of my HD, and play the Linux version of savage on that. It sounded like a great idea, but, I know NOTHING about linux, and even less about making a partition exclusively for linux, could someone debug this idea for me, is it possible? feasible? practical?
And if any kind soul has the time to spare on me, assuming it's possible, I'd like to do this, so if someone could help me out with the installing and all that, just point me in the most fool proof directions ya know
If they are going to start making OS X like Linux make:
1. A new dock...just use the linux one without the ugly clock.
2. Make it more customizable.
3. Whatever else makes OS X better than it already is (it's pretty good now).
That's all I ask!
First off... which linux "dock" are you talking about... each window manager for X11 is different and on top of that, each one is can be changed to look the way you want. So by telling us that the dock should be replaced, by "the linux one" does not tell us much.
Edit...
Second... What do you mean "make it more customizable"? In what way are you refering to? Last I checked you could do most (if not all) things in OSX that you can do in linux.
Yellow Dog Linux is great. I used to use it for a server before OS X matured. It can also breath new life into old Macs. I installed it on the legendary PowerMac 9600 MP, the first dual processor mac, which I used for DNS caching and network bridging.
I wouldn't buy a Mac with the intention of running Linux exclusively, as many Linux apps will only work on x86. OS X/Linux dual booting is fun though.
Yellow Dog Linux is great. I used to use it for a server before OS X matured. It can also breath new life into old Macs. I installed it on the legendary PowerMac 9600 MP, the first dual processor mac, which I used for DNS caching and network bridging.
I wouldn't buy a Mac with the intention of running Linux exclusively, as many Linux apps will only work on x86. OS X/Linux dual booting is fun though.
Yep. YDL is good.. Earlier today I had it installed on here and it was running great... But there's only one reason why I didn't keep it: a program I used often (the p2p program known as Direct Connect) wouldn't compile. If I had gotten that to work.. then who knows.. I bet I would still have been running YDL 3.0.1... and yeah.. I have an x86 running another Red Hat variant, Mandrake 9.1, which is acting as my Direct Connect hub server. It's running great. Been up about 72 days now.
I had installed YDL on a spare 40GB Maxtor in addition to my 160GB Seagate with my OS X installation. I figured everything would be fool proof since the two systems would each be on their own drive, but YDL somehow managed to fux0r my OS X installation and I could not boot from it or repair it. Even removing the 40GB drive with YDL on it didn't fix the problem.
I had installed YDL on a spare 40GB Maxtor in addition to my 160GB Seagate with my OS X installation. I figured everything would be fool proof since the two systems would each be on their own drive, but YDL somehow managed to fux0r my OS X installation and I could not boot from it or repair it. Even removing the 40GB drive with YDL on it didn't fix the problem.
I had a similar experience. I downloaded the YDL images and and burnt them. But one could not be read. Unfortunately, I was in the middle of the installation and the Installer could not be aborted. My OS X boot partition (on a different drive) didn't mount afterwards.
Thankfully, I fould DataRescue X, which was able to restore nearly all the data.
I had a similar experience. I downloaded the YDL images and and burnt them. But one could not be read. Unfortunately, I was in the middle of the installation and the Installer could not be aborted. My OS X boot partition (on a different drive) didn't mount afterwards.
Thankfully, I fould DataRescue X, which was able to restore nearly all the data.
That's what happened to me. I burned all three discs and then when it needed CD 3 it said it couldn't mount it.. I was pissed.. I tried lightening the weight of packages to install.. and it STILL requested it!!! I tried redownloading the 3rd CD image to find that it had only downloaded half way, yet OS X was able to mount it... Now I'm back under OS X 10.3 because a program I use often wouldn't compile under YDL... But otherwise it ran well... better than the previous version I had had running on here...
I had installed YDL on a spare 40GB Maxtor in addition to my 160GB Seagate with my OS X installation. I figured everything would be fool proof since the two systems would each be on their own drive, but YDL somehow managed to fux0r my OS X installation and I could not boot from it or repair it. Even removing the 40GB drive with YDL on it didn't fix the problem.
I'm not so enthusiastic about Linux anymore.
Did you try booting into open firmware and using the command
boot hd:5
"5" being the partition where your OS X bootloader is stored, sometimes you just have to go through the numbers to find the right one, after I installed Panther, the only way I could boot linux was to boot to open firmware and use the boot command I think I used - boot hd:9,yaboot
Linux is since gone from my ibook because I like Panther so much and Ive got a desktop to play with linux now.
I installed Yellow Dog a couple of weeks ago, but for some reason, it didn't install a C compiler! Most likely an error on my part(I'm notorious for that).
that happened to me acouple months ago so i reinstalled mac os x
With the problems we all face with Linux and drivers on PC, I'm only guessing that it would be worse on Mac (since most linux drivers are made for PC-specific software anyways).
I could see getting a distro like Debian or Slack to run. RedHat, on the other hand, wouldn't do so good, IMO.
Don't take my word for it though, I haven't tried putting Linux on a Mac. I don't see why you would have a need to put Linux on a Mac anyways, Panther is based on Unix. \
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One of the biggest Mac OS X 10.4 features: Linux? It's that time of year again, folks - last year's big operating system release, Panther, is about to get by far its largest and most mature update yet in the form of 10.3.3 and Safari 1.2 in the next couple of weeks, and Apple's attention is beginning to turn to its next major release.
One of our oldest sources has reported in on the beginning stages of this process, and the first item on his bullet list: Linux. Mac OS X 10.4 will more closely merge the Apple experience with that of Linux in several key ways that will visible to users as well as developers. Panther already implements a number of Linux APIs, but Apple hopes to make 10.4's adoptions higher-profile and therefore mirror (rather than cannibalize, we can hope!) Linux's success in creating an "opening wedge" into the Windows world.
(from http://macosrumors.com/)
someone suggested I could get YDL running on a partition of my HD, and play the Linux version of savage on that. It sounded like a great idea, but, I know NOTHING about linux, and even less about making a partition exclusively for linux, could someone debug this idea for me, is it possible? feasible? practical?
And if any kind soul has the time to spare on me, assuming it's possible, I'd like to do this, so if someone could help me out with the installing and all that, just point me in the most fool proof directions ya know
1. A new dock...just use the linux one without the ugly clock.
2. Make it more customizable.
3. Whatever else makes OS X better than it already is (it's pretty good now).
That's all I ask!
Originally posted by Wrong Robot
someone suggested I could get YDL running on a partition of my HD, and play the Linux version of savage on that.
I'm fairly certain this won't work. Programs for x86 linux need to be recompiled for use on PPC.
Originally posted by mattjohndrow
i used redhat on my friends peecee, and it is really slow, though they're 'puter is an 800 MHz with 256 MB RAM
Redhat is bloated... go through the start up scripts and take out junk you don't need.
what I'm really looking to use is free civ... any ideas with that?
Originally posted by Wired Envisions
If they are going to start making OS X like Linux make:
1. A new dock...just use the linux one without the ugly clock.
2. Make it more customizable.
3. Whatever else makes OS X better than it already is (it's pretty good now).
That's all I ask!
First off... which linux "dock" are you talking about... each window manager for X11 is different and on top of that, each one is can be changed to look the way you want. So by telling us that the dock should be replaced, by "the linux one" does not tell us much.
Edit...
Second... What do you mean "make it more customizable"? In what way are you refering to? Last I checked you could do most (if not all) things in OSX that you can do in linux.
Originally posted by \\/\\/ickes
Redhat is bloated... go through the start up scripts and take out junk you don't need.
thx for the info, will do
I wouldn't buy a Mac with the intention of running Linux exclusively, as many Linux apps will only work on x86. OS X/Linux dual booting is fun though.
Originally posted by Michael Wilkie
Yellow Dog Linux is great. I used to use it for a server before OS X matured. It can also breath new life into old Macs. I installed it on the legendary PowerMac 9600 MP, the first dual processor mac, which I used for DNS caching and network bridging.
I wouldn't buy a Mac with the intention of running Linux exclusively, as many Linux apps will only work on x86. OS X/Linux dual booting is fun though.
Yep. YDL is good.. Earlier today I had it installed on here and it was running great... But there's only one reason why I didn't keep it: a program I used often (the p2p program known as Direct Connect) wouldn't compile. If I had gotten that to work.. then who knows.. I bet I would still have been running YDL 3.0.1... and yeah.. I have an x86 running another Red Hat variant, Mandrake 9.1, which is acting as my Direct Connect hub server. It's running great. Been up about 72 days now.
I'm not so enthusiastic about Linux anymore.
Originally posted by Pumpkintosh
I had installed YDL on a spare 40GB Maxtor in addition to my 160GB Seagate with my OS X installation. I figured everything would be fool proof since the two systems would each be on their own drive, but YDL somehow managed to fux0r my OS X installation and I could not boot from it or repair it. Even removing the 40GB drive with YDL on it didn't fix the problem.
I had a similar experience. I downloaded the YDL images and and burnt them. But one could not be read. Unfortunately, I was in the middle of the installation and the Installer could not be aborted. My OS X boot partition (on a different drive) didn't mount afterwards.
Thankfully, I fould DataRescue X, which was able to restore nearly all the data.
Originally posted by Paul
anyone have a good how-to link to go about installing YD linux?
what I'm really looking to use is free civ... any ideas with that?
I think freeciv is available on OS X through X11 and fink.
Originally posted by GSpotter
I had a similar experience. I downloaded the YDL images and and burnt them. But one could not be read. Unfortunately, I was in the middle of the installation and the Installer could not be aborted. My OS X boot partition (on a different drive) didn't mount afterwards.
Thankfully, I fould DataRescue X, which was able to restore nearly all the data.
That's what happened to me. I burned all three discs and then when it needed CD 3 it said it couldn't mount it.. I was pissed.. I tried lightening the weight of packages to install.. and it STILL requested it!!! I tried redownloading the 3rd CD image to find that it had only downloaded half way, yet OS X was able to mount it... Now I'm back under OS X 10.3 because a program I use often wouldn't compile under YDL... But otherwise it ran well... better than the previous version I had had running on here...
Originally posted by Pumpkintosh
I had installed YDL on a spare 40GB Maxtor in addition to my 160GB Seagate with my OS X installation. I figured everything would be fool proof since the two systems would each be on their own drive, but YDL somehow managed to fux0r my OS X installation and I could not boot from it or repair it. Even removing the 40GB drive with YDL on it didn't fix the problem.
I'm not so enthusiastic about Linux anymore.
Did you try booting into open firmware and using the command
boot hd:5
"5" being the partition where your OS X bootloader is stored, sometimes you just have to go through the numbers to find the right one, after I installed Panther, the only way I could boot linux was to boot to open firmware and use the boot command I think I used - boot hd:9,yaboot
Linux is since gone from my ibook because I like Panther so much and Ive got a desktop to play with linux now.
Originally posted by CubeDude
I installed Yellow Dog a couple of weeks ago, but for some reason, it didn't install a C compiler! Most likely an error on my part(I'm notorious for that).
that happened to me acouple months ago
I could see getting a distro like Debian or Slack to run. RedHat, on the other hand, wouldn't do so good, IMO.
Don't take my word for it though, I haven't tried putting Linux on a Mac. I don't see why you would have a need to put Linux on a Mac anyways, Panther is based on Unix.