A laudable goal but I'm not sure SS tax is the best method.
Probably not. I do think it can be a piece of the puzzle though, if not squandered. I am in favor or lowering the percentage to 1 or 2% if we don't limit it to $87K. I think that's a great compromise.
And if we do it, I wouldn't be against the idea of 'locking' the half that comes from the employer while giving freedom for the other half. That said, the reports I've read say that SS interest actually outpaces the Stock Market and other forms of investment so I'm not sure it's really good to do.
We have one of if not the lowest buisness taxation in EU.
Giaguara: Where on earth did you get the idea that my emplyee have to pay 60% of my income as taxation just because they hired me?
I make $4000 a month and I pay about a third in tax. If I had a car or an expensive house I would pay even less.
If you base your knowledge on Finland then I have to say that Finland is not Scandinavia.
*I have gone through surgery to remove a tumor in my arm some years ago. It takes a lot of tests, scannings and the like and it was all covered over the tax. I only paid for the food I ate in the cantina before I went home.
i did not say scandinavia is socialist, it was br.
yes, i based what i said on what i lived in/with .. so finland. yea, they are different, have an impossible language and sanction humor etc and in THEORY have a functioning national health care etc. .. well. E111s or without, i had to see a doctor there but just cant afford that there. yuou maybe dont have to pay to see a doctor, but it has NEVER applied to me, even when living (and registered for that time) there. living there as (temp or whatever) student etc etc, i got nothin' returned for expenses, i heard the return of the doctor etc fees would be around (up to) 40-60 % .. maybe BR would enjoy living there, i for sure not. luckily i never had to test how much the emergency care would have been (ie never needed to incidentally wake up in a hospital).
As a college student who works part time and hence is considered low income, I think you might be surprised what you would qualify for from the government.
I suggest we give Shawn a homework assignment of going down to the local welfare office and seeing what they give him.
I would bet at a minimum you would qualify for food stamps.
Probably not. I do think it can be a piece of the puzzle though, if not squandered. I am in favor or lowering the percentage to 1 or 2% if we don't limit it to $87K. I think that's a great compromise.
And if we do it, I wouldn't be against the idea of 'locking' the half that comes from the employer while giving freedom for the other half. That said, the reports I've read say that SS interest actually outpaces the Stock Market and other forms of investment so I'm not sure it's really good to do.
You mean the interest that the government owes itself?
I don't think I would trust that for any return. Change on bit of legislation and suddenly it is gone.
Government's favorite game, we make the rules, and if we don't like them, we will change them.
i think it is so odd that people continue to hardline socialism vs. capitilism, equity vs. efficency, etc, when history has shown us again and again that the answer isn't as simple as that, but it is somewhere in the middle.
but, you know, it is kind of fun to get all riled up and consider about half of the country nitwits, shortsighted, etc.
i think it is so odd that people continue to hardline socialism vs. capitilism, equity vs. efficency, etc, when history has shown us again and again that the answer isn't as simple as that, but it is somewhere in the middle.
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Originally posted by Scott
A laudable goal but I'm not sure SS tax is the best method.
Probably not. I do think it can be a piece of the puzzle though, if not squandered. I am in favor or lowering the percentage to 1 or 2% if we don't limit it to $87K. I think that's a great compromise.
And if we do it, I wouldn't be against the idea of 'locking' the half that comes from the employer while giving freedom for the other half. That said, the reports I've read say that SS interest actually outpaces the Stock Market and other forms of investment so I'm not sure it's really good to do.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Kinda like welfare... originally, it was for widows with children, period.
Then they started adding anyone who wanted it. Bollocks.
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I want it. Do I get it too?
Originally posted by Anders
Oh goddammit.
Scandinavia is not socialist.
I don´t pay to see the doctor.*
We have one of if not the lowest buisness taxation in EU.
Giaguara: Where on earth did you get the idea that my emplyee have to pay 60% of my income as taxation just because they hired me?
I make $4000 a month and I pay about a third in tax. If I had a car or an expensive house I would pay even less.
If you base your knowledge on Finland then I have to say that Finland is not Scandinavia.
*I have gone through surgery to remove a tumor in my arm some years ago. It takes a lot of tests, scannings and the like and it was all covered over the tax. I only paid for the food I ate in the cantina before I went home.
i did not say scandinavia is socialist, it was br.
yes, i based what i said on what i lived in/with .. so finland. yea, they are different, have an impossible language and sanction humor etc and in THEORY have a functioning national health care etc. .. well. E111s or without, i had to see a doctor there but just cant afford that there. yuou maybe dont have to pay to see a doctor, but it has NEVER applied to me, even when living (and registered for that time) there. living there as (temp or whatever) student etc etc, i got nothin' returned for expenses, i heard the return of the doctor etc fees would be around (up to) 40-60 % .. maybe BR would enjoy living there, i for sure not. luckily i never had to test how much the emergency care would have been (ie never needed to incidentally wake up in a hospital).
I like my puppy-dog socialism.
So, Shawny, care to comment on my proposal? Bunge seemed rather happy with it.
Originally posted by ShawnJ
I want it. Do I get it too?
Have you ever applied?
As a college student who works part time and hence is considered low income, I think you might be surprised what you would qualify for from the government.
I suggest we give Shawn a homework assignment of going down to the local welfare office and seeing what they give him.
I would bet at a minimum you would qualify for food stamps.
Penn Welfare Screening
Fill in your info and report back young man.
Nick
Originally posted by bunge
Probably not. I do think it can be a piece of the puzzle though, if not squandered. I am in favor or lowering the percentage to 1 or 2% if we don't limit it to $87K. I think that's a great compromise.
And if we do it, I wouldn't be against the idea of 'locking' the half that comes from the employer while giving freedom for the other half. That said, the reports I've read say that SS interest actually outpaces the Stock Market and other forms of investment so I'm not sure it's really good to do.
You mean the interest that the government owes itself?
I don't think I would trust that for any return. Change on bit of legislation and suddenly it is gone.
Government's favorite game, we make the rules, and if we don't like them, we will change them.
Nick
but, you know, it is kind of fun to get all riled up and consider about half of the country nitwits, shortsighted, etc.
Originally posted by progmac
i think it is so odd that people continue to hardline socialism vs. capitilism, equity vs. efficency, etc, when history has shown us again and again that the answer isn't as simple as that, but it is somewhere in the middle.
Can I just say.... "Thank you"
Fellows
Originally posted by progmac
...the answer...is somewhere in the middle.
Whoops. That's socialism....