I've been looking for bluetooth headphones so I can listen to m iTunes without any wires--almost dragged my laptop off my desk one time when I dropped something and leaned down to pick it up while my wired headphones were on
Does anyone make Bluetooth printers and headphones yet? Is Apple setting the stage for the aftermarket with this release or are there already devices out there needing the drivers they just released?
I too have nearly pulled my PowerBook off the desk trying to pick something up off the floor.
I think there are BT printers out (HP, I believe). For headphones, just get a longer cord. Seriously. If you cared about the sound you would never consider BT headphones.
I currently use a version that comes with a 2.5mm audio jack adapter that I have up-converted to 3.5mm and have it hooked into my system for voice recognition and Via Voice work.
For iPod fans there is a Bluetooth iPod add-on from XtremeMac.
This is the only pair of actual Bluetooth Stereo Audio Headphones that I know of on the market today.
if a call comes in to my p800 (which is connected via bluetooth) and i were to have a headset on, can i just connect to the call?
anyone??
You don't need a computer for that :-)
If you would be using SE non-symbian based phones, and had address book open, you would see that person's name and #. P800/900 won't work with address book though. (grrrr)
if a call comes in to my p800 (which is connected via bluetooth) and i were to have a headset on, can i just connect to the call?
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Originally posted by drxcm
Wouldnt you be able to do that even without the mac?
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Originally posted by piwozniak
You don't need a computer for that :-)
If you would be using SE non-symbian based phones, and had address book open, you would see that person's name and #. P800/900 won't work with address book though. (grrrr)
Ugh...
I'm PRETTY SURE what the person was asking is... If I'm using my BT Headset PAIRED TO MY MAC and then a call came in over my cell phone ALSO PAIRED TO THE HEADSET would he be able to take the call USING SAID HEADSET... In other words... Do these BT headsets only link with EITHER the Mac OR the Cell phone or can they work with BOTH at the same time.
While I understood the question... I don't have an answer... I just wouldn't be too shocked to find out the answer might be 'no'.
Look, if your headset is on and BT in your phone is on then devices will pair automatically right?
Your phone is also paired with your mac.
What i'm saying is: There's no need to stream voice over bt first to your mac, then to your headset, it will be streamed directly from the phone to headset.
Wouldn't that make more sense?
It rises other questions though. Imagine im chatting with someone then my phone rings....
To me, the most fundamental thing would be to have the phone work as a generic BT "cellular phone" interface that is used by the computer. Then, with the computer, you could
- place a call
- have the computer handle things like voice processing, recording the call, etc.
- if there is an incoming call, the computer could be set to answer it and act as an answering machine - with menus and all
- you could control the computer by calling it and inserting command codes that you have prewired to specific actions on the computer
- you could take/place a call and then mid-call, seamlessly play back audio clips (for whatever purpose)
However, I don't see this happening. The phone makers are already struggling to sell a cellular phone (a commodity) with the same margins as they did when the phone was a luxury. This kind of BT interfacing would treat the phone as the commodity it really is. No longer would it matter if the phone is an old piece of crap and the keypad + screen are falling apart - you'd just use the cellular voice call and BT functions.
Now, please tell me I'm wrong and someone is making technology work this way.
Gon, i think all frameworks are there, you have serial port, voice gateway, object push HID, etc.
Manufacturers are giving us the tools, software developers need to start developing apps utilizing them.
This is relatively new technology, there are examples to follow, look at what Jonas Salling is doing, or even apple with address book integration.
There are many profiles in bluetooth and i guess some of them are not fully implement in OS, so applications can't take an advantage of them.
On a side note, bluetooth printers need to have bluetooth enable driver in order for OS to use them, i'm not sure if there are any bluetooth printers that work with OS X right now, if not soon we'll see updated driers as it is now possible to implement it.
Well after installing all the required software I got iChat to recognize my SE HBH-65 bluetooth headset. The first time I used it the sound was excellent, but after that I have gotten some static in the ear piece.
As for bluetooth printing, why in hell would anyone want to do it? Bluetooth is so slow that it would take minutes to print out a simple multi-page document. I could understand it on a PDO or from my phone to print something quick out, but use wifi if you want to do wireless printing.
Paired my Jabra Freespeak with my Powerbook; works great with iChat AV, especially with Soundsource, a menu bar app that allows you to quickly switch your audio input and output between various sources (i.e. between built in mic and speakers and bluetooth mic and headset). Without Soundsource or something like it, you have to keep going into System Prefs to switch sources.
Have been using Jabra headset with X-Ten LIght VOIP software with my Nikotel account (a software-based phone app that allows making and receiving calls from regular phones). The Jabra headset improves the performance of this app considerably, as before there were issues with feedback when using my Powerbook's built-in speakers and microphone. Also, the Jabra headset finally allows me to use the application more like a "real phone" rather than an awkward speakerphone.
I forgot my cellphone at a friends house, so when I was driving I decided to do an experiment: I put the jabra headset in my ear, launched Macstumbler, and drove slowly through a neighborhood. Within a short period I found a strong signal to Wifi network that wasn't WEP encrypted. I joined the network, launched X-Ten VOIP software and dialed my friend's cellphone. He answered and we could hear each other clearly. I left my laptop in my car, got out and walked to the other side of the street, all the while talking to my friend. It was a technological tour-de-force, a "really freakin amazing" moment. The sound wasn't as great as a "normal" cellphone but we were able to have a pretty good conversation. Bravo, Apple.
Gon, i think all frameworks are there, you have serial port, voice gateway, object push HID, etc.
Manufacturers are giving us the tools, software developers need to start developing apps utilizing them.
This is relatively new technology, there are examples to follow, look at what Jonas Salling is doing, or even apple with address book integration.
There are many profiles in bluetooth and i guess some of them are not fully implement in OS, so applications can't take an advantage of them.
Thanks, this was good info.
Salling Clicker seems to be quality software but there's nothing technologically advanced in there.
I read a bit about the different profiles. It seems the first thing we need is headset profile implemented in OS X so the computer can work as a headset to the phone (the "speakerphone" thing). Since 1.5 lets OS X use a real headset as speakers/mic, you could then forward the call to the headset from the computer, and do what you want in between (record, etc). The next step is the Telephony Control Protocol, which would enable the computer to place calls. This isn't in place in OS X. Not sure if they have it in cellular phones, but it might be on the way.
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if a call comes in to my p800 (which is connected via bluetooth) and i were to have a headset on, can i just connect to the call?
anyone??
Does anyone make Bluetooth printers and headphones yet? Is Apple setting the stage for the aftermarket with this release or are there already devices out there needing the drivers they just released?
I too have nearly pulled my PowerBook off the desk trying to pick something up off the floor.
-Gator
There are several Bluetooth headsets for cell phone on the market today.
Jabra, Motorola, Plantronics and several others make them.
The Jabra's FreeSpeak is a very nice one.
I currently use a version that comes with a 2.5mm audio jack adapter that I have up-converted to 3.5mm and have it hooked into my system for voice recognition and Via Voice work.
For iPod fans there is a Bluetooth iPod add-on from XtremeMac.
This is the only pair of actual Bluetooth Stereo Audio Headphones that I know of on the market today.
Sonorix from OpenBrain in Korea.
I think these headphones use the Impulsesoft iWISH technology.
- G in the S
Isn't that cool?
Originally posted by othello
as this update adds headphone support...
if a call comes in to my p800 (which is connected via bluetooth) and i were to have a headset on, can i just connect to the call?
anyone??
You don't need a computer for that :-)
If you would be using SE non-symbian based phones, and had address book open, you would see that person's name and #. P800/900 won't work with address book though. (grrrr)
Originally posted by othello
if a call comes in to my p800 (which is connected via bluetooth) and i were to have a headset on, can i just connect to the call?
Originally posted by drxcm
Wouldnt you be able to do that even without the mac?
Originally posted by piwozniak
You don't need a computer for that :-)
If you would be using SE non-symbian based phones, and had address book open, you would see that person's name and #. P800/900 won't work with address book though. (grrrr)
Ugh...
I'm PRETTY SURE what the person was asking is... If I'm using my BT Headset PAIRED TO MY MAC and then a call came in over my cell phone ALSO PAIRED TO THE HEADSET would he be able to take the call USING SAID HEADSET... In other words... Do these BT headsets only link with EITHER the Mac OR the Cell phone or can they work with BOTH at the same time.
While I understood the question... I don't have an answer... I just wouldn't be too shocked to find out the answer might be 'no'.
Dave
I got it believe me...
Look, if your headset is on and BT in your phone is on then devices will pair automatically right?
Your phone is also paired with your mac.
What i'm saying is: There's no need to stream voice over bt first to your mac, then to your headset, it will be streamed directly from the phone to headset.
Wouldn't that make more sense?
It rises other questions though. Imagine im chatting with someone then my phone rings....
:-)
Originally posted by Whisper
What I want is the ability to use my mac as a speakerphone for my cellphone. Anyone know if this update gets me that?
That seems like a neat idea... Has anybody tried to realize this. I sure could use this...
- place a call
- have the computer handle things like voice processing, recording the call, etc.
- if there is an incoming call, the computer could be set to answer it and act as an answering machine - with menus and all
- you could control the computer by calling it and inserting command codes that you have prewired to specific actions on the computer
- you could take/place a call and then mid-call, seamlessly play back audio clips (for whatever purpose)
However, I don't see this happening. The phone makers are already struggling to sell a cellular phone (a commodity) with the same margins as they did when the phone was a luxury. This kind of BT interfacing would treat the phone as the commodity it really is. No longer would it matter if the phone is an old piece of crap and the keypad + screen are falling apart - you'd just use the cellular voice call and BT functions.
Now, please tell me I'm wrong and someone is making technology work this way.
Manufacturers are giving us the tools, software developers need to start developing apps utilizing them.
This is relatively new technology, there are examples to follow, look at what Jonas Salling is doing, or even apple with address book integration.
There are many profiles in bluetooth and i guess some of them are not fully implement in OS, so applications can't take an advantage of them.
On a side note, bluetooth printers need to have bluetooth enable driver in order for OS to use them, i'm not sure if there are any bluetooth printers that work with OS X right now, if not soon we'll see updated driers as it is now possible to implement it.
As for bluetooth printing, why in hell would anyone want to do it? Bluetooth is so slow that it would take minutes to print out a simple multi-page document. I could understand it on a PDO or from my phone to print something quick out, but use wifi if you want to do wireless printing.
Paired my Jabra Freespeak with my Powerbook; works great with iChat AV, especially with Soundsource, a menu bar app that allows you to quickly switch your audio input and output between various sources (i.e. between built in mic and speakers and bluetooth mic and headset). Without Soundsource or something like it, you have to keep going into System Prefs to switch sources.
Have been using Jabra headset with X-Ten LIght VOIP software with my Nikotel account (a software-based phone app that allows making and receiving calls from regular phones). The Jabra headset improves the performance of this app considerably, as before there were issues with feedback when using my Powerbook's built-in speakers and microphone. Also, the Jabra headset finally allows me to use the application more like a "real phone" rather than an awkward speakerphone.
I forgot my cellphone at a friends house, so when I was driving I decided to do an experiment: I put the jabra headset in my ear, launched Macstumbler, and drove slowly through a neighborhood. Within a short period I found a strong signal to Wifi network that wasn't WEP encrypted. I joined the network, launched X-Ten VOIP software and dialed my friend's cellphone. He answered and we could hear each other clearly. I left my laptop in my car, got out and walked to the other side of the street, all the while talking to my friend. It was a technological tour-de-force, a "really freakin amazing" moment. The sound wasn't as great as a "normal" cellphone but we were able to have a pretty good conversation. Bravo, Apple.
Originally posted by Whisper
What I want is the ability to use my mac as a speakerphone for my cellphone. Anyone know if this update gets me that?
yep, thats what i want...
Originally posted by piwozniak
Gon, i think all frameworks are there, you have serial port, voice gateway, object push HID, etc.
Manufacturers are giving us the tools, software developers need to start developing apps utilizing them.
This is relatively new technology, there are examples to follow, look at what Jonas Salling is doing, or even apple with address book integration.
There are many profiles in bluetooth and i guess some of them are not fully implement in OS, so applications can't take an advantage of them.
Thanks, this was good info.
Salling Clicker seems to be quality software but there's nothing technologically advanced in there.
I read a bit about the different profiles. It seems the first thing we need is headset profile implemented in OS X so the computer can work as a headset to the phone (the "speakerphone" thing). Since 1.5 lets OS X use a real headset as speakers/mic, you could then forward the call to the headset from the computer, and do what you want in between (record, etc). The next step is the Telephony Control Protocol, which would enable the computer to place calls. This isn't in place in OS X. Not sure if they have it in cellular phones, but it might be on the way.
Go Bluetooth!
Speech recognition is not supported using a Bluetooth headset.
WTF?
Why isn't an installed Bluetooth headset the same as any other speaker/mic from the viewpoint of lower-level software such as voice recognition?