Somebody needs to get these kids on the boards. The lil bastards had access to this machine before everybody but they kept their mouths shut. That must have been some NDA they signed.
<strong>The CNET report said Dell still is the leader in the education market! Is this still true?</strong><hr></blockquote>
With the eMac out, I doubt Dell will hold it for much longer.
[quote]Originally posted by spindler:
<strong>I think that the eMac might be the replacement for the Cube.
*SNIP*
The Cube was to be the middle ground. When it failed, they needed a replacement, which is the eMac. The eMac appeals to most of the market because of it's 17 inch screen.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
<REALITY CHECK>
The eMac is an EDUCATION machine. Let me type it slower for you: E....D....U....C....A.....T....I....O......N.
This is not a replacement for anything, except maybe the G3 iMac in the future. The eMac fills in a PRICE POINT that the education market has not had until now. They've either had a cheap machine that's not "big" enough for what they need, or a powerful machine that's too expensive because of its TFT display.
Apple doesn't want you (the "average" Joe or Josephine) to buy a machine with a CRT display. That's why the 17" ASD is gone, and why the G3 iMac will go bye bye soon.
Speaking of the G3 iMac: It's existed since the release of the new iMac solely to give education a cheaper option. Now that the eMac is here, bye bye G3 iMac.
Let me repeat again: the eMac is for EDUCATION. Apple wants the average consumer to have a flat panel display (thereby spending more money), and that's why the eMac is not in the regular "quadrant."
The Cube was a (very attractive) flop, and has nothing to do with any of Apple's current lineup.
consumers could see this come out and replace the "old imac" at the low end at MWNY. when the powermacs get boosted to 1.2 ghz or something, new imacs go to 1 ghz and the emacs go to 733 mhz for $1000
do this and apple solves the problem with the imac being priced too high (for now atleast). i think we could see the emac stay around for at least a year while the "new imacs" get lower priced and cost less to produce. though, the emacs could definately stay around for education for a long time.
when the emac comes out for consumers, we would also see a 17" new imac SE for $2000. that's as high as the imac should go. that would be a replacement for the the cube pretty much
Somebody needs to get these kids on the boards. The lil bastards had access to this machine before everybody but they kept their mouths shut. That must have been some NDA they signed.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> I was thinking the same thing before.
well, i've got the the cash, and the want/need for something like this now (well, in late may), but i have thought that i would not buy another computer where i could not upgrade the processor and/or video (such as with my current imac). i wonder how much i'll end up spending after i sell my current setup. i guess $1000 every 3 years isn't bad for my home computing. that's $333 per year... better than a lease, i think. just have to go through the pain of selling it. phooey.
<strong>Come on, guys, integrate a "bulletproof" speaker grille! You should have seen curious and inquisitive pointy objects coming.</strong><hr></blockquote>
There are speaker grilles. They look detachable, but I supect most people won't know that.
I don't get it. I talked to the guy, and I asked him if there were speaker grilles in the pictures I was looking at and he said no, and I asked him how they thought that was going to hold up with kids and referenced the PMG4's exposed speaker, and he talked about how it was reinforced, durable, "bulletproof," kidproof, well-tested, etc etc. But it's undeniable that in several of the photos on the eMac website there is a grille of SOME sort on there. Maybe I didn't ask the right questions? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
<strong>I don't get it. I talked to the guy, and I asked him if there were speaker grilles in the pictures I was looking at and he said no, and I asked him how they thought that was going to hold up with kids and referenced the PMG4's exposed speaker, and he talked about how it was reinforced, durable, "bulletproof," kidproof, well-tested, etc etc. But it's undeniable that in several of the photos on the eMac website there is a grille of SOME sort on there. Maybe I didn't ask the right questions? </strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess that's one thing we're gunna have to wait til someone sees one in person to let us know if they're really there or not.
They knew what they were doing even though analysts complained about how the iMac wouldn't ever stand up to the rigors of kids and their grubby little hands.
They had this eMac in their back pockets just in time for the school season.
They're pleasently surprising me these last few months. First the iMac, then this. The only blemish was the iMac price hike.
the speaker thing is really less complicated than you're making it out to be.
Just like the pro speakers, they come with grilles on. if it's in place safe from curious fingers / crayons / etc., the grilles are removeable. If they need to be kept on, they're kept on. not a big deal.
<strong>if it's in place safe from curious fingers / crayons / etc., the grilles are removeable. If they need to be kept on, they're kept on. not a big deal.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but what about the overly intelligent or malicious kid who wants to take them off? Protection gone.
<strong>I think that the eMac might be the replacement for the Cube. I think Apple's original intentions were to move the Cube down in price between the 15" CRT iMac and the PowerMac.
</strong><hr></blockquote> No no no. Apple was trying to make a new niche with the Cube and failed miserably. We [consumers] wanted the cube to become a midrange model but Apple didn't. Maybe that's why it failed.
To clarify the speaker grille issue...from David Pogue's post at MacinTouch.
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From: David Pogue
I had a nice chat with Phil Schiller yesterday about the eMac. He brought up a number of points that address the concerns expressed by Macintouch readers so far:
* It does have a fan, but it's very quiet. They tested to make sure a teacher's voice could be heard over a room full of them.
* The speakers come with optional snap-in hard grilles to protect them from little fingers.
* The analog audio input was added at the request of teachers, so that a student could transfer, say, a Walkman-recorded interview onto the eMac. (In short: I don't believe it represents a return of the analog input to all Macs.)
As for the readers mystified why Apple makes a machine and sells sit exclusively to educators and students: I believe it's because these machines are far less profitable than, say, an iMac.
...David
-------------------
I have another piece of old news that not many people know about. I used to work for a company based outside of Philadelphia called Beyondbooks.com. They provide the equivalant of online textbooks for middle and high school students. Their internet textbooks are highly engaging and have met with some real acclaim. The education content they provide is based on state-determined curriculum standards. School purchase their online content to either suppliment or even replace (in some cases) textbooks in the classroom.
Last fall I was speaking with my old boss, and he told me that Tim Cook (Apple Executive Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Operations) had visited Beyondbooks. I don't have the specifics of what they discussed, however, I do know that Apple expressed a good amount of interest in the kind of internet-education model that Beyondbooks is developing.
The CEO of Beyondbooks also met with Steve Jobs in Cupertino last summer. I have no "insider" information, but I do know that Apple is commited to offering educational solutions with their products (ex. Powerschool), not just CPU's. In this case, Apple and Beyondbooks have had a joint relationship in the deployment of ibooks in Henrico, VA. Apple provides the computing power, Beyondbooks provides some of the content. I don't know if there are any formalized agreements or partnerships, but all I know is that Apple really has taken interest in the nature of the educational market outside of providing CPU's.
I've already sent off an emai to my boss to see if they had any involvement in the eMac. Who knows? (Beyondbooks is all PC based, they got a free ibook from Apple, but it sits on a shelf. I had the only Mac in the place when I was there.)
I urge anyone interested to check out Beyondbooks.com.
[ 04-30-2002: Message edited by: Maine Road ]<a href="http://www.beyondbooks.com/"; target="_blank">Beyondbooks.com</a>
Apple have a hell of a lot riding on the overall success of the LCD iMac, and thats why this machine will probably not see the consumer light of day for quite a while.
They're targeting a specific market "EDUCATION" with a build to price product, it still doesn't have the same "covet" value as the new iMacs with the general public.
Its probably too soon for a revision of the LCD iMac as its only becoming fully available now and Apple still have heaps of back orders to fulfill.
Comments
<strong>
Kids (the target user) at play with new eMac
[ 04-29-2002: Message edited by: MacsRGood4U ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Somebody needs to get these kids on the boards. The lil bastards had access to this machine before everybody but they kept their mouths shut. That must have been some NDA they signed.
<strong>The CNET report said Dell still is the leader in the education market! Is this still true?</strong><hr></blockquote>
With the eMac out, I doubt Dell will hold it for much longer.
[quote]Originally posted by spindler:
<strong>I think that the eMac might be the replacement for the Cube.
*SNIP*
The Cube was to be the middle ground. When it failed, they needed a replacement, which is the eMac. The eMac appeals to most of the market because of it's 17 inch screen.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
<REALITY CHECK>
The eMac is an EDUCATION machine. Let me type it slower for you: E....D....U....C....A.....T....I....O......N.
This is not a replacement for anything, except maybe the G3 iMac in the future. The eMac fills in a PRICE POINT that the education market has not had until now. They've either had a cheap machine that's not "big" enough for what they need, or a powerful machine that's too expensive because of its TFT display.
Apple doesn't want you (the "average" Joe or Josephine) to buy a machine with a CRT display. That's why the 17" ASD is gone, and why the G3 iMac will go bye bye soon.
Speaking of the G3 iMac: It's existed since the release of the new iMac solely to give education a cheaper option. Now that the eMac is here, bye bye G3 iMac.
Let me repeat again: the eMac is for EDUCATION. Apple wants the average consumer to have a flat panel display (thereby spending more money), and that's why the eMac is not in the regular "quadrant."
The Cube was a (very attractive) flop, and has nothing to do with any of Apple's current lineup.
</REALITY CHECK>
[ 04-29-2002: Message edited by: CosmoNut ]</p>
do this and apple solves the problem with the imac being priced too high (for now atleast). i think we could see the emac stay around for at least a year while the "new imacs" get lower priced and cost less to produce. though, the emacs could definately stay around for education for a long time.
when the emac comes out for consumers, we would also see a 17" new imac SE for $2000. that's as high as the imac should go. that would be a replacement for the the cube pretty much
<strong>
Somebody needs to get these kids on the boards. The lil bastards had access to this machine before everybody but they kept their mouths shut. That must have been some NDA they signed.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> I was thinking the same thing before.
<strong>Come on, guys, integrate a "bulletproof" speaker grille! You should have seen curious and inquisitive pointy objects coming.</strong><hr></blockquote>
There are speaker grilles. They look detachable, but I supect most people won't know that.
<strong>I don't get it. I talked to the guy, and I asked him if there were speaker grilles in the pictures I was looking at and he said no, and I asked him how they thought that was going to hold up with kids and referenced the PMG4's exposed speaker, and he talked about how it was reinforced, durable, "bulletproof," kidproof, well-tested, etc etc. But it's undeniable that in several of the photos on the eMac website there is a grille of SOME sort on there. Maybe I didn't ask the right questions?
I guess that's one thing we're gunna have to wait til someone sees one in person to let us know if they're really there or not.
They knew what they were doing even though analysts complained about how the iMac wouldn't ever stand up to the rigors of kids and their grubby little hands.
They had this eMac in their back pockets just in time for the school season.
They're pleasently surprising me these last few months. First the iMac, then this. The only blemish was the iMac price hike.
Just like the pro speakers, they come with grilles on. if it's in place safe from curious fingers / crayons / etc., the grilles are removeable. If they need to be kept on, they're kept on. not a big deal.
<strong>if it's in place safe from curious fingers / crayons / etc., the grilles are removeable. If they need to be kept on, they're kept on. not a big deal.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but what about the overly intelligent or malicious kid who wants to take them off? Protection gone.
<strong>I think that the eMac might be the replacement for the Cube. I think Apple's original intentions were to move the Cube down in price between the 15" CRT iMac and the PowerMac.
</strong><hr></blockquote> No no no. Apple was trying to make a new niche with the Cube and failed miserably. We [consumers] wanted the cube to become a midrange model but Apple didn't. Maybe that's why it failed.
There's an access door at the back for installing memory.
It uses the Uni-N and KeyLargo controllers, not Pangea like the iMac.
It is apparently referred to as the "Northern Lights" computer.
No speaker covers on this pic. The speaker covers on the pro speakers are for packing purposes. If left on they cause a muffled sound.
[ 04-30-2002: Message edited by: MacsRGood4U ]</p>
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From: David Pogue
I had a nice chat with Phil Schiller yesterday about the eMac. He brought up a number of points that address the concerns expressed by Macintouch readers so far:
* It does have a fan, but it's very quiet. They tested to make sure a teacher's voice could be heard over a room full of them.
* The speakers come with optional snap-in hard grilles to protect them from little fingers.
* The analog audio input was added at the request of teachers, so that a student could transfer, say, a Walkman-recorded interview onto the eMac. (In short: I don't believe it represents a return of the analog input to all Macs.)
As for the readers mystified why Apple makes a machine and sells sit exclusively to educators and students: I believe it's because these machines are far less profitable than, say, an iMac.
...David
-------------------
I have another piece of old news that not many people know about. I used to work for a company based outside of Philadelphia called Beyondbooks.com. They provide the equivalant of online textbooks for middle and high school students. Their internet textbooks are highly engaging and have met with some real acclaim. The education content they provide is based on state-determined curriculum standards. School purchase their online content to either suppliment or even replace (in some cases) textbooks in the classroom.
Last fall I was speaking with my old boss, and he told me that Tim Cook (Apple Executive Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Operations) had visited Beyondbooks. I don't have the specifics of what they discussed, however, I do know that Apple expressed a good amount of interest in the kind of internet-education model that Beyondbooks is developing.
The CEO of Beyondbooks also met with Steve Jobs in Cupertino last summer. I have no "insider" information, but I do know that Apple is commited to offering educational solutions with their products (ex. Powerschool), not just CPU's. In this case, Apple and Beyondbooks have had a joint relationship in the deployment of ibooks in Henrico, VA. Apple provides the computing power, Beyondbooks provides some of the content. I don't know if there are any formalized agreements or partnerships, but all I know is that Apple really has taken interest in the nature of the educational market outside of providing CPU's.
I've already sent off an emai to my boss to see if they had any involvement in the eMac. Who knows? (Beyondbooks is all PC based, they got a free ibook from Apple, but it sits on a shelf. I had the only Mac in the place when I was there.)
I urge anyone interested to check out Beyondbooks.com.
[ 04-30-2002: Message edited by: Maine Road ]<a href="http://www.beyondbooks.com/"; target="_blank">Beyondbooks.com</a>
[ 04-30-2002: Message edited by: Maine Road ]</p>
Apple have a hell of a lot riding on the overall success of the LCD iMac, and thats why this machine will probably not see the consumer light of day for quite a while.
They're targeting a specific market "EDUCATION" with a build to price product, it still doesn't have the same "covet" value as the new iMacs with the general public.
Its probably too soon for a revision of the LCD iMac as its only becoming fully available now and Apple still have heaps of back orders to fulfill.