Well, I can do Scott's lines pretty well. Let's face it, Keynote's drawing and animation tools suck. Okay, so you can import drawings from something else.
Yup, and I see that as one of it's *strengths*. PP simply bites *ASS* at importing graphics from anywhere else - it's the classic MS model: "If you want to draw anything, you'll do so with our tools, or you will suffer the consequences" Which is ironic, really, since using their tools is suffering of another sort. But I digress.
Keynote lets you import *beautifully* from *anywhere*... use the graphics tool that *you* want. I'll take that over Keynote trying to reinvent the wheel with half-assed drawing tools when most people have perfectly good tools available already.
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You cannot do simple things like have two objects disappear at the same time or one appear and another disappear. You have to create multiple slides for anything other than the simplest builds, which means if you change the location of something in one of the slides you have to go and correct all the others.
No argument here on that one! It's a separate issue from the drawing tools, however, but yeah, the lack of a 'replace with' transition for objects is a really really big gaping hole in my opinion.
I really thought you could make a group of two objects, and disappear the group, having both items go byebye simultaneously... not firing it up just to check that, anyone else want to?
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Keynote has a lot of potential, but it is painfully obvious that it is a 1.0 product (even at 1.1.1). That said, I expect that 2.0.1 really will blow PowerPoint out of the water.
Indeed. I'd say it already does, with a couple of glaring omissions.
I really thought you could make a group of two objects, and disappear the group, having both items go byebye simultaneously.
You could do that but then you can't make them appear seperately.
And let me expand on something I said earlier. I don't particularly mind the lack of drawing tools per se. However, PowerPoint's drawing and animation tools combine to allow you to do really nice things that you just can't do in Keynote. For example, in PowerPoint, you can have a curved arrow that builds in by drawing itself from one end to the other. This is a really nice effect because it pulls your attention from the pointed from object to the pointed to object in a completely natural manner. To do this in Keynote you would have to create an animation in some other program (I use Canvas which ain't cheap), and what you get out can't be edited in Keynote so if you change the location of anything on your slide you have to go back to Canvas to recreate the animation.
You could do that but then you can't make them appear seperately.
And let me expand on something I said earlier. I don't particularly mind the lack of drawing tools per se. However, PowerPoint's drawing and animation tools combine to allow you to do really nice things that you just can't do in Keynote. For example, in PowerPoint, you can have a curved arrow that builds in by drawing itself from one end to the other. This is a really nice effect because it pulls your attention from the pointed from object to the pointed to object in a completely natural manner. To do this in Keynote you would have to create an animation in some other program (I use Canvas which ain't cheap), and what you get out can't be edited in Keynote so if you change the location of anything on your slide you have to go back to Canvas to recreate the animation.
Why not do a wipe from the tailpoint to the headpoint on the appear transition? No animation required.
This got me thinking about the idea of dynamically linked objects among applications, a common format or data type that would allow, for example, not only for you to import OmniGraffle drawings into Keynote, but allow the object to update dynamically as you edit or improve the illustration.* Right now, whatever you move from one app to the next essentially has to be exported and frozen then dropped in. Some apps allow you to skip a step and drop the export directly into another app's window, but the problem is the same. The lack of that sort of feature along with the expectation, like in Windows, that you work in one app for the entirety of the process is why I think people would want more drawing tools in Keynote.
**What got me thinking about this was that on another forum, a former NeXTie was lamenting the lack of OOE (Open Object Embedding or somesuch) on Mac OS X. Sounds like OLE, which is a headache on Windows, but I suppose the OpenStep managed to avoid the problems OLE has.
This got me thinking about the idea of dynamically linked objects among applications, a common format or data type that would allow, for example, not only for you to import OmniGraffle drawings into Keynote, but allow the object to update dynamically as you edit or improve the illustration.*
InDesign CS does that. If I have a graphic in my layout and I change it, InDesign reflects it and I can easily tell it update the graphic with the new one. Use InDesign!
Keynote blows people away that have never seen anything other than PowerPoint before, I love the look on their faces when they see a slide transition. haha
Since this is my 1,000th post...I might as well explain myself here. I found this definition in Omni Dictionary while looking for the proper spelling of the word Diarrhea to be used in a health class paper. I thought it was ridiculous that there is actually a term for such a condition. Funny, sick, sad, and um..just funny.
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Originally posted by JBL
Well, I can do Scott's lines pretty well. Let's face it, Keynote's drawing and animation tools suck. Okay, so you can import drawings from something else.
Yup, and I see that as one of it's *strengths*. PP simply bites *ASS* at importing graphics from anywhere else - it's the classic MS model: "If you want to draw anything, you'll do so with our tools, or you will suffer the consequences" Which is ironic, really, since using their tools is suffering of another sort. But I digress.
Keynote lets you import *beautifully* from *anywhere*... use the graphics tool that *you* want. I'll take that over Keynote trying to reinvent the wheel with half-assed drawing tools when most people have perfectly good tools available already.
You cannot do simple things like have two objects disappear at the same time or one appear and another disappear. You have to create multiple slides for anything other than the simplest builds, which means if you change the location of something in one of the slides you have to go and correct all the others.
No argument here on that one! It's a separate issue from the drawing tools, however, but yeah, the lack of a 'replace with' transition for objects is a really really big gaping hole in my opinion.
I really thought you could make a group of two objects, and disappear the group, having both items go byebye simultaneously... not firing it up just to check that, anyone else want to?
Keynote has a lot of potential, but it is painfully obvious that it is a 1.0 product (even at 1.1.1). That said, I expect that 2.0.1 really will blow PowerPoint out of the water.
Indeed. I'd say it already does, with a couple of glaring omissions.
Originally posted by Kickaha
I really thought you could make a group of two objects, and disappear the group, having both items go byebye simultaneously.
You could do that but then you can't make them appear seperately.
And let me expand on something I said earlier. I don't particularly mind the lack of drawing tools per se. However, PowerPoint's drawing and animation tools combine to allow you to do really nice things that you just can't do in Keynote. For example, in PowerPoint, you can have a curved arrow that builds in by drawing itself from one end to the other. This is a really nice effect because it pulls your attention from the pointed from object to the pointed to object in a completely natural manner. To do this in Keynote you would have to create an animation in some other program (I use Canvas which ain't cheap), and what you get out can't be edited in Keynote so if you change the location of anything on your slide you have to go back to Canvas to recreate the animation.
Originally posted by JBL
You could do that but then you can't make them appear seperately.
And let me expand on something I said earlier. I don't particularly mind the lack of drawing tools per se. However, PowerPoint's drawing and animation tools combine to allow you to do really nice things that you just can't do in Keynote. For example, in PowerPoint, you can have a curved arrow that builds in by drawing itself from one end to the other. This is a really nice effect because it pulls your attention from the pointed from object to the pointed to object in a completely natural manner. To do this in Keynote you would have to create an animation in some other program (I use Canvas which ain't cheap), and what you get out can't be edited in Keynote so if you change the location of anything on your slide you have to go back to Canvas to recreate the animation.
Why not do a wipe from the tailpoint to the headpoint on the appear transition? No animation required.
**What got me thinking about this was that on another forum, a former NeXTie was lamenting the lack of OOE (Open Object Embedding or somesuch) on Mac OS X. Sounds like OLE, which is a headache on Windows, but I suppose the OpenStep managed to avoid the problems OLE has.
Suffered from static language problems, which Obj-C gets around, but Carbon would be hosed by.
Don't expect to see this again until metadata issues are hammered out system-wide... component programming relies heavily on metadata.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
This got me thinking about the idea of dynamically linked objects among applications, a common format or data type that would allow, for example, not only for you to import OmniGraffle drawings into Keynote, but allow the object to update dynamically as you edit or improve the illustration.*
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Originally posted by pscates
WHAT in the hell kind of sig is that?
Since this is my 1,000th post...I might as well explain myself here. I found this definition in Omni Dictionary while looking for the proper spelling of the word Diarrhea to be used in a health class paper. I thought it was ridiculous that there is actually a term for such a condition. Funny, sick, sad, and um..just funny.