Like you dimissed my post. . . . and yet, whether you want to see it or not, the logic implied in your first post is this:
"I support GWBush and the iraq war
but it is a BLAMEworthy affair entirely
and so
I blame Clinton"
which means that, since you can, and do, dislike Clinton it is ok to feel that the war is something that is blameworthy . . . that's half right . . . it is a blameworthy event that happened but CLinton is not to blame.
and remember, as I always say: when you Blame you Be Lame!
I repeated many times I was not interested in blaming anyone policy wise. I never stated Clinton was to blame. I dismissed you then as well as now because you seem to think you posess some super human ability to read my mind or intentions. I could care less about clinton so get over yourself.
Or you could have just not lashed out at everyone who criticized your wild conspiracy accusations.
Really?
See this is where you are wrong, I cannot find any instance where the "secret plan" was reported that it was mentioned that clinton also had a similar plan.
Anyway, the points have all been made. Nice doing business with you.
- [/QUOTE] God you are full of yourself. That is all I can say to that whole thing.
Um, let me ask you this. Why did you not just quote those articles from the beginning? I mean, if you knew what they said why not just get it out there and let a thread die?
Were you just in this to win? And if so, what did you win?
You did prove that the media did at least mention the corrolation between Bush plan and the Clinton plan. This in turn proves that I am not the only one that thinks that it at least deserves a mention when bringing up some conspiracy against bush as far as this secret plan thing goes.
Or you could have just not lashed out at everyone who criticized your wild conspiracy accusations.
Really?
See this is where you are wrong, I cannot find any instance where the "secret plan" was reported that it was mentioned that clinton also had a similar plan.
Anyway, the points have all been made. Nice doing business with you.
- [/QUOTE] I just wanted to point out that despite the info that you so readily dismissed as ancient history, those media outlets felt it was worthy of mention, as I suggested.
Artman: interesting link. I have known about the "crazies", as Wolf and Perle, Abrams etc were known within the Bush Sr. admin. for a while, but that's a pretty informative link. By the way, you a chain smoker?
Smoke like crazy when online...here even more. Thanks for the props to the link. I haven't continued reading the posts after yours but sincerely hope other DO watch or read that report. It changed my whole view as to the reasons we are doing what we are doing in the Middle East.
Again...hell, just a theory but...here goes...Dubya is a stooge. A puppet guided by these men (Chenney, Rumsfeld, "Wolfie", Perle, etc.) to carry out an agenda that has been in the making since the Reagan administration. These men hold a HUGE amount of influence and power (Dubya too...but that source of power is from Daddy Bush). Enough to persuade Clinton to act on them (he balked...UN imposed more sanctions).
...argue for a much stronger U.S. global leadership exercised through "military strength and moral clarity." In an open letter to Clinton, the group warns that the policy of containing Iraq is "dangerously inadequate." They write:
"The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy."
The letter's signatories include Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, William Kristol, and other current members of George W. Bush's administration, including Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and Under Secretary of State for Arms Control John Bolton.
Summer-Fall 1998
Saddam Blocks Weapons Inspectors
In early August, Saddam suspends cooperation with weapons inspectors and on Oct. 31 shuts down all inspections. The inspectors say they have evidence that Saddam had created thousands of tons of chemical and biological agents and that he is working on a nuclear device.
In November, Clinton -- in the midst of the Monica Lewinsky scandal -- orders a bombing campaign against Iraq, but calls it off at the last minute when U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan works out a deal in which Iraq promises to unconditionally cooperate with U.N. inspectors. Within days of the inspectors' return, however, Iraq returns to intimidation and withholding information.
Dec. 16-19, 1998
Operation Desert Fox
U.S. and British military forces launch a four-day air and cruise missile campaign against approximately 100 key Iraqi military targets to punish Saddam for defying U.N. weapons inspections.
On Dec. 16, the day the bombing begins, the U.N. withdraws all weapons inspectors. [Inspections will not resume in Iraq until November 2002, following passage of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441.]
There. All that Clinton did. On a silver platter for the rest of you...others have stated the obvious.
Comments
Originally posted by pfflam
Like you dimissed my post. . . . and yet, whether you want to see it or not, the logic implied in your first post is this:
"I support GWBush and the iraq war
but it is a BLAMEworthy affair entirely
and so
I blame Clinton"
which means that, since you can, and do, dislike Clinton it is ok to feel that the war is something that is blameworthy . . . that's half right . . . it is a blameworthy event that happened but CLinton is not to blame.
and remember, as I always say: when you Blame you Be Lame!
I repeated many times I was not interested in blaming anyone policy wise. I never stated Clinton was to blame. I dismissed you then as well as now because you seem to think you posess some super human ability to read my mind or intentions. I could care less about clinton so get over yourself.
Originally posted by giant
Or you could have just not lashed out at everyone who criticized your wild conspiracy accusations.
Really?
See this is where you are wrong, I cannot find any instance where the "secret plan" was reported that it was mentioned that clinton also had a similar plan.
Anyway, the points have all been made. Nice doing business with you.
- [/QUOTE] God you are full of yourself. That is all I can say to that whole thing.
Um, let me ask you this. Why did you not just quote those articles from the beginning? I mean, if you knew what they said why not just get it out there and let a thread die?
Were you just in this to win? And if so, what did you win?
You did prove that the media did at least mention the corrolation between Bush plan and the Clinton plan. This in turn proves that I am not the only one that thinks that it at least deserves a mention when bringing up some conspiracy against bush as far as this secret plan thing goes.
I think it is more like a draw.
You're welcome and same to you.
Originally posted by giant
Or you could have just not lashed out at everyone who criticized your wild conspiracy accusations.
Really?
See this is where you are wrong, I cannot find any instance where the "secret plan" was reported that it was mentioned that clinton also had a similar plan.
Anyway, the points have all been made. Nice doing business with you.
- [/QUOTE] I just wanted to point out that despite the info that you so readily dismissed as ancient history, those media outlets felt it was worthy of mention, as I suggested.
Originally posted by jimmac
Wow Nappy are you still on this?
Maybe he needs a hug.
Originally posted by Gilsch
Artman: interesting link. I have known about the "crazies", as Wolf and Perle, Abrams etc were known within the Bush Sr. admin. for a while, but that's a pretty informative link. By the way, you a chain smoker?
Smoke like crazy when online...here even more. Thanks for the props to the link. I haven't continued reading the posts after yours but sincerely hope other DO watch or read that report. It changed my whole view as to the reasons we are doing what we are doing in the Middle East.
Again...hell, just a theory but...here goes...Dubya is a stooge. A puppet guided by these men (Chenney, Rumsfeld, "Wolfie", Perle, etc.) to carry out an agenda that has been in the making since the Reagan administration. These men hold a HUGE amount of influence and power (Dubya too...but that source of power is from Daddy Bush). Enough to persuade Clinton to act on them (he balked...UN imposed more sanctions).
Wake up you sheep out there...wake up.
Hawks Send Open Letter to Clinton
A group of neo-conservatives, who have formed The Project for a New American Century, ...
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
...argue for a much stronger U.S. global leadership exercised through "military strength and moral clarity." In an open letter to Clinton, the group warns that the policy of containing Iraq is "dangerously inadequate." They write:
"The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy."
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
The letter's signatories include Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, William Kristol, and other current members of George W. Bush's administration, including Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and Under Secretary of State for Arms Control John Bolton.
Summer-Fall 1998
Saddam Blocks Weapons Inspectors
In early August, Saddam suspends cooperation with weapons inspectors and on Oct. 31 shuts down all inspections. The inspectors say they have evidence that Saddam had created thousands of tons of chemical and biological agents and that he is working on a nuclear device.
In November, Clinton -- in the midst of the Monica Lewinsky scandal -- orders a bombing campaign against Iraq, but calls it off at the last minute when U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan works out a deal in which Iraq promises to unconditionally cooperate with U.N. inspectors. Within days of the inspectors' return, however, Iraq returns to intimidation and withholding information.
Dec. 16-19, 1998
Operation Desert Fox
U.S. and British military forces launch a four-day air and cruise missile campaign against approximately 100 key Iraqi military targets to punish Saddam for defying U.N. weapons inspections.
On Dec. 16, the day the bombing begins, the U.N. withdraws all weapons inspectors. [Inspections will not resume in Iraq until November 2002, following passage of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441.]
There. All that Clinton did. On a silver platter for the rest of you...others have stated the obvious.
ok Rummy.
http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/
linkey
no wonder bush has put a "choke" hold on rummy lately and told him not to talk to the press...
g
Originally posted by chu_bakka
And no one in the administration ever said imminent threat... hehe
ok Rummy.
http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/
Heavens above, that's brilliant. Caught lying. Watch that bastard squirm. Brilliant, I say.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/arc...14.html#002728