Then again this guy is the governor of Georgia. He looks like a used car salesman.
Ahh... Good ol' Sonny
I really wish we could get a DECENT governor down here. First Ray "let's-kill-the-music" Barnes, now we have this guy. I hate my state
This bill is completely stupid. I don't personally support genital piercing, but I certainly don't want the state telling me what I can and can't do with my body. This seems kind of hypocritical since the Georgia government is filled with very religious people. Aren't circumcision and brisses (sp?) a big Christian thing?
Well, I wouldn't expect any less from a state where they screw up (rig?) electronic voting. The citizens of this state deserve what they get. I'm glad I'm leaving in 3 months.
if they really wanted to be helpful they should ban mullets and chicks who mousse their bangs with a an upward flourish, or (as i call it) the "statue of liberty" look.
let's not limit it to georgia.......i say a constitutional amendment.
Hmm... Georgia... I just went through there three weeks ago. Drove I 75 straight through. I have many fond memories of your stat.
100 miles of signs for "Café Erotica: We Bare All." We just had to get a picture (I took it):
Oh, there was also this guy on a two way radio in Atlanta, asking "Should the Pastor wear his robe?" Of course, we decidedly said that he shouldn't... at least for as long as we were in range. Heh.
Do I have any actual contribution to this thread? Of course not!
Does this guy really believe it is his job to decide what private people choose for themselves?
Like some others have said here I too have no need for any piercings of any sort but for those out there who desire them who are any of us to act against them?
fellows
Three things....
1. My wife has her nipples pierced. Piercings are cool in my book.
2... this...
Quote:
An amendment adopted without objection added "piercing" to the list of things that may not be done to female genitals. Even adult women would not be allowed to get the procedure. The bill eventually passed 160-0, with no debate.
That doesn't exactly sound like one guy or a small group ramming their beliefs down someone's throat.
Which leads me to 3. Maybe most folks in Georgia are just a wee bit sheltered with regard to the whole piercing thing.
It leads me to believe that they were all in the mindset of 'non-consentual physical abuse of female children' and didn't think through what the addition of that actually *MEANT*.
ie, passing laws they didn't understand.
What I want to know is *who* added that idiotic little rider?
Aren't circumcision and brisses (sp?) a big Christian thing?
ur a little confused. male circumcision is largely, when for religious reasons, a jewish thing. so is the briss. infact, iirc, briss is just a [hebrew? yiddish? ..?] term for male circumcision. though christianity is largely based on judaism, it lost that tradition along the way.
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i think we should make a federal amendment affirming the apparently not obvious right to privacy. government has no right to govern what people freely do unto themselves.
ur a little confused. male circumcision is largely, when for religious reasons, a jewish thing. so is the briss. infact, iirc, briss is just a [hebrew? yiddish? ..?] term for male circumcision. though christianity is largely based on judaism, it lost that tradition along the way.
Ok, then I stand corrected . It's still none of the government's business :P
I believe that was only the House that it went through....there's still time to keep it from going through the Senate....put a call out to all of the bejewelled and bepierced ladies you know to call their Senator. I'm sure they'd be all to willing to take a fresh look at this topic.
But seriously, if you live in GA or know people who do, get them to call/write/email/fax their Senators and let them know that they do not support this bill.
(being a bit of an activist this week because of our own HB1775)
Hey guys, please note my disregard for this bill in previous posts before moving on to my next statement....
If I got a warning about making a stereotypical joke about English dental failures then I would ask fair treatment of stereotypical blanket jokes about Southerners. Let's make sure we spread that political fairness around evenly....'kay?
Personally I think the rules are a tad too strict... we can't be angrily making judgements about people left and right based on where they're from and so on, but I don't see why a joke made in good fun is that bad. If anyone objects, of course, you must stop, but as long as it's not done in a derogatory manner, I don't see what the problem is.
Hope I don't get chewed out by the mods for this... maybe it belongs in a PM but I thought that it also fits as a reply to drewprops' post.
My point: if I can't make fun of YOUR people, you can't make fun of MINE. Give me the same right to make loosely-based stereotypical jokes...
This isn't about Moogs in any way, no anger involved my friend....and with that I'll suggest that this discussion should pop open in a different thread so I'll stop here.
With three legislative days left in the session we're all hoping that we can keep the focus on the economic development of our state, not just the silly headline grabbers. Deals are being struck and arms are being twisted to make things happen on all sorts of issues. If you've never gone down to your own state's legislation while it is in session you're really missing out on a show. It's like being at Wall Street during trading hours. It's wild.
I can understand your frustration my friend, but you see, I lived in Georgia for over a decade... hence I am allowed to make these kinds of stereotypical jokes. (An official policy here in Moogs' World ? )
Not that state officials of Georgia, Alabama and Tennessee (among others) don't already do a great job of making themselves into stereotypical jokes.
First it was a high-ranking judge who wants the 10 commandments in court.
Then school districts banning the use of the word evolution.
Then an entire county "banning" gays.
And now this.
Sorry but if EVER a stereotypical tongue-lashing was in order for the deep south, it is now. As for the dental health of Britons, I am all for some good teeth jokes.
They say they intend to dissuade the practice of female genital mutilations (FGM), but outruling piercings is (to say the least) missing the target. FGM is cruel due to clitoridectomies far more than piercings - shouldn't we regulate clitoridectomies instead (must be of certain age...consensual...I don't know...)?
How can we justify not allowing independent, intelligent, consensual adults with constitutional religious freedoms to believe what they want and do whatever the heck they wanna do with their bodies? Oh wait. I forgot about about gay legislature.
To go on a tangent some more: Even if a law was implemented and actually enforced (*gasp*), traditional/religious FGM-practicing families (those that are being targeted) can do it in the privacy of their own homes with outside help (and mostly unsanitary/dangerous means), or simply go to another state to practice. If it becomes a national (and actually enforced) law, people can simply go to another country to practice it - just like people in FGM-outlawed countries already do. How would they enforce it? Get Ob-Gyns to turn you in? People could simply (although sadly) not see their doctors.
shouldn't we regulate clitoridectomies instead (must be of certain age...consensual...I don't know...)?
REGULATE???!!!
REGULATE??????!!!!!!!!
How about *BAN* completely, with minimum ten years imprisonment as the punishment!!!!
(I would prefer the death penalty for people who mutilate girls; but that probably won't fly.)
How to find out? Offer $10,000 rewards for informers turning in not only these mutilators but also those who seek their services.
Put social services offices in these communities (in 'first world' nations) with regular, mandatory home visits (and physical check-ups) by social workers to families with daughters. We have home visits now for families being monitored for negligence or abuse to children. I would say potential mutilation of children falls under this category and such visits would not be any more fascist than what we already have going on.
Female genital mutilation is to me the most inconceivably barbaric crime ever perpetrated by one human being on another. That it has become a cultural rite of passage should be simply beyond belief for those of us who live in civilized societies.....it is beyond being an abomination. The sheer ignorance and barbarity of such practices just beggars the imagination.
I can't even begin to express the fury I feel when I hear about FGM.
Some of you posters have little daughters of your own whom you love. How would you feel about them being mutilated for life - with a piece of broken glass or the lid off a tin can, as happens to millions of little girls in Africa and elsewhere? Little girls just like your own.
Did that link say 135 million women currently have been mutilated? Just inconceivable ignorance and barbarity.
Comments
Originally posted by Kickaha
No, that's my wallet.
I thought that was a suitcase.
Originally posted by Ganondorf
Then again this guy is the governor of Georgia. He looks like a used car salesman.
Ahh... Good ol' Sonny
I really wish we could get a DECENT governor down here. First Ray "let's-kill-the-music" Barnes, now we have this guy. I hate my state
This bill is completely stupid. I don't personally support genital piercing, but I certainly don't want the state telling me what I can and can't do with my body. This seems kind of hypocritical since the Georgia government is filled with very religious people. Aren't circumcision and brisses (sp?) a big Christian thing?
let's not limit it to georgia.......i say a constitutional amendment.
100 miles of signs for "Café Erotica: We Bare All." We just had to get a picture (I took it):
Oh, there was also this guy on a two way radio in Atlanta, asking "Should the Pastor wear his robe?" Of course, we decidedly said that he shouldn't... at least for as long as we were in range. Heh.
Do I have any actual contribution to this thread? Of course not!
Originally posted by Fellowship
Does this guy really believe it is his job to decide what private people choose for themselves?
Like some others have said here I too have no need for any piercings of any sort but for those out there who desire them who are any of us to act against them?
fellows
Three things....
1. My wife has her nipples pierced. Piercings are cool in my book.
2... this...
An amendment adopted without objection added "piercing" to the list of things that may not be done to female genitals. Even adult women would not be allowed to get the procedure. The bill eventually passed 160-0, with no debate.
That doesn't exactly sound like one guy or a small group ramming their beliefs down someone's throat.
Which leads me to 3. Maybe most folks in Georgia are just a wee bit sheltered with regard to the whole piercing thing.
Nick
ie, passing laws they didn't understand.
What I want to know is *who* added that idiotic little rider?
Originally posted by hyperb0le
Aren't circumcision and brisses (sp?) a big Christian thing?
ur a little confused. male circumcision is largely, when for religious reasons, a jewish thing. so is the briss. infact, iirc, briss is just a [hebrew? yiddish? ..?] term for male circumcision. though christianity is largely based on judaism, it lost that tradition along the way.
.
i think we should make a federal amendment affirming the apparently not obvious right to privacy. government has no right to govern what people freely do unto themselves.
Originally posted by thuh Freak
ur a little confused. male circumcision is largely, when for religious reasons, a jewish thing. so is the briss. infact, iirc, briss is just a [hebrew? yiddish? ..?] term for male circumcision. though christianity is largely based on judaism, it lost that tradition along the way.
Ok, then I stand corrected
I believe that was only the House that it went through....there's still time to keep it from going through the Senate....put a call out to all of the bejewelled and bepierced ladies you know to call their Senator. I'm sure they'd be all to willing to take a fresh look at this topic.
But seriously, if you live in GA or know people who do, get them to call/write/email/fax their Senators and let them know that they do not support this bill.
(being a bit of an activist this week because of our own HB1775)
"Heyy Maynard... who'dya vote fer in dat gooobernatorial e-lection?"
"Weyill shit, Clayton... I voted for SONNY. Whodya think, peckerwoood?"
"Alllright. I voted for SONNY too. He understands us southern boys..."
"Yup. He won't let none of that piercing or haymo-sexshiality fly, neither!"
If I got a warning about making a stereotypical joke about English dental failures then I would ask fair treatment of stereotypical blanket jokes about Southerners. Let's make sure we spread that political fairness around evenly....'kay?
How 'bout it Mods?
Hope I don't get chewed out by the mods for this... maybe it belongs in a PM but I thought that it also fits as a reply to drewprops' post.
This isn't about Moogs in any way, no anger involved my friend....and with that I'll suggest that this discussion should pop open in a different thread so I'll stop here.
With three legislative days left in the session we're all hoping that we can keep the focus on the economic development of our state, not just the silly headline grabbers. Deals are being struck and arms are being twisted to make things happen on all sorts of issues. If you've never gone down to your own state's legislation while it is in session you're really missing out on a show. It's like being at Wall Street during trading hours. It's wild.
Not that state officials of Georgia, Alabama and Tennessee (among others) don't already do a great job of making themselves into stereotypical jokes.
First it was a high-ranking judge who wants the 10 commandments in court.
Then school districts banning the use of the word evolution.
Then an entire county "banning" gays.
And now this.
Sorry but if EVER a stereotypical tongue-lashing was in order for the deep south, it is now. As for the dental health of Britons, I am all for some good teeth jokes.
How can we justify not allowing independent, intelligent, consensual adults with constitutional religious freedoms to believe what they want and do whatever the heck they wanna do with their bodies? Oh wait. I forgot about about gay legislature.
To go on a tangent some more: Even if a law was implemented and actually enforced (*gasp*), traditional/religious FGM-practicing families (those that are being targeted) can do it in the privacy of their own homes with outside help (and mostly unsanitary/dangerous means), or simply go to another state to practice. If it becomes a national (and actually enforced) law, people can simply go to another country to practice it - just like people in FGM-outlawed countries already do. How would they enforce it? Get Ob-Gyns to turn you in? People could simply (although sadly) not see their doctors.
fyi:
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/femgen/fgm1.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3564203.stm
Yay for 4:30 am rambling/ranting
Originally posted by skyeyed
shouldn't we regulate clitoridectomies instead (must be of certain age...consensual...I don't know...)?
REGULATE???!!!
REGULATE??????!!!!!!!!
How about *BAN* completely, with minimum ten years imprisonment as the punishment!!!!
(I would prefer the death penalty for people who mutilate girls; but that probably won't fly.)
How to find out? Offer $10,000 rewards for informers turning in not only these mutilators but also those who seek their services.
Put social services offices in these communities (in 'first world' nations) with regular, mandatory home visits (and physical check-ups) by social workers to families with daughters. We have home visits now for families being monitored for negligence or abuse to children. I would say potential mutilation of children falls under this category and such visits would not be any more fascist than what we already have going on.
Female genital mutilation is to me the most inconceivably barbaric crime ever perpetrated by one human being on another. That it has become a cultural rite of passage should be simply beyond belief for those of us who live in civilized societies.....it is beyond being an abomination. The sheer ignorance and barbarity of such practices just beggars the imagination.
I can't even begin to express the fury I feel when I hear about FGM.
Some of you posters have little daughters of your own whom you love. How would you feel about them being mutilated for life - with a piece of broken glass or the lid off a tin can, as happens to millions of little girls in Africa and elsewhere? Little girls just like your own.
Did that link say 135 million women currently have been mutilated? Just inconceivable ignorance and barbarity.