Why are they still selling PM G4 Server?

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
ummm why is <a href="http://www.apple.com/powermac/server/"; target="_blank">this</a> still here??



I thought the <a href="http://www.apple.com/xserve/"; target="_blank">Xserve</a> took care of that :confused: <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />

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  • Reply 1 of 18
    cdhostagecdhostage Posts: 1,038member
    Odd./ You'

    d thin tat they'd make it even ceaper, ubut no, his is APPLE dammit damn luxuury goods I hate the STUPID PRICE AAAAAA!
  • Reply 2 of 18
    [quote]

    $3299

    Mac OS X Server software

    Dual 1-GHz PowerPC G4

    256K L2 cache & 2MB L3 cache

    512MB SDRAM memory (PC-133)

    80GB Ultra ATA drive @ 7200 rpm

    CD-RW drive <hr></blockquote>

    Cheaper than the XServe with Dual G4 and if you don't need a 1u rig and are happy with the performance, go for it. If not, don't
  • Reply 3 of 18
    pesipesi Posts: 424member
    Why?



    1. Not everybody has a rack to put an xServe into.



    2. Clearing out inventory
  • Reply 4 of 18
    sumpuransumpuran Posts: 4member
    1. Not everybody has a rack to put an xServe into.



    And have you seen the prices on those racks, damn!



    *still dreams of TiBook with portable FW RAID tower and external PCI chassis - also wonders how much battery life a PB would have with a rig like that... *



    2. Clearing out inventory



    I dooubt Apple will get rid of the PM Server product line. It's likely to just get upgraded with the features and enclosure of the PM's, except tailored for the needs of network serving and NetBooting, coming with OS X Server and all. There will always be a market for the PM form factor servers, I believe, as you'll be be paying premium for fitting a Mac server in a 1U space - which incidentally is completely iimpractical for the average LAN admin, who won't need to stack several servers.
  • Reply 5 of 18
    rogue27rogue27 Posts: 607member
    I'd guess they are clearing out inventory, because there isn't much the PowerMac Server can do that you can't do with a regular PowerMac if you have the time to download and install the extra software like MySQL and PHP4.
  • Reply 6 of 18
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by rogue27:

    <strong>I'd guess they are clearing out inventory, because there isn't much the PowerMac Server can do that you can't do with a regular PowerMac if you have the time to download and install the extra software like MySQL and PHP4.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    1.) Server with an unlimited license comes with them. 1000 dollar value.

    2.) redudant power supplies which even the Xserve doesn't have

    3.) in the past they have come with a 4 port 10/100 Ethernet card. not sure if this is true with the latest ones.



    so there are differences, not major but big enough to matter.
  • Reply 7 of 18
    l008coml008com Posts: 163member
    Redundant power supply? The PowerMac Server has the same power supply as the PowerMac. It IS a PowerMac, preloaded with OS X Server, and thats ALL it is. The production costs to make these makes consist of the time it takes the web developer to make the page at the Apple Store. Thats it. So even if a few people buy them, they are worth the money to keep in the lineup. If I wanna start up my own small business, and need a good server, I'm sure as hell not goona buy a whole rack just to buy an Xserver (though it would be DAMN COOL) I'm goona buy a desktop adn load X on to it. Hey look thats what these are.
  • Reply 8 of 18
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by l008com:

    <strong>Redundant power supply? The PowerMac Server has the same power supply as the PowerMac. It IS a PowerMac, preloaded with OS X Server, and thats ALL it is. The production costs to make these makes consist of the time it takes the web developer to make the page at the Apple Store. Thats it. So even if a few people buy them, they are worth the money to keep in the lineup. If I wanna start up my own small business, and need a good server, I'm sure as hell not goona buy a whole rack just to buy an Xserver (though it would be DAMN COOL) I'm goona buy a desktop adn load X on to it. Hey look thats what these are.</strong><hr></blockquote>





    they had redundant power supplies since the first G4 server tower. apparantly they removed that with the last update because it's no longer mentioned. I guess it went out with the 4 port 10/100 ethernet card

    <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
  • Reply 9 of 18
    rogue27rogue27 Posts: 607member
    My guess is that Apple won't find the small sales to be enough to justify another mac product line and will eventually drop the server and maybe have an OS choice box for PowerMacs OSX or OSX server.



    Of course, that's just a guess, but it would make sense since it seems to be where they're headed.



    I remember earlier ones had more things like the 4 port ethernet, but I thought they stopped that.
  • Reply 10 of 18
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    I'm with l008com. I don't remember hearing about redundant power supplies in any G3/G4 Mac.
  • Reply 11 of 18
    x704x704 Posts: 276member
    Xserve doesn't run on OS 9 right? Doesn't seem to anyway ... if not then some clients may want the old server that can run OS 9 (for whatever reason). That said I really don't see any reason not to do what's already suggested & just make OS X Server a BTO option on the regular PM.



    Edit:Grammer



    [ 05-29-2002: Message edited by: X704 ]</p>
  • Reply 12 of 18
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by Eugene:

    <strong>I'm with l008com. I don't remember hearing about redundant power supplies in any G3/G4 Mac.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20001203153100/www.apple.com/powermac/server/osxfeatures.html"; target="_blank">http://web.archive.org/web/20001203153100/www.apple.com/powermac/server/osxfeatures.html</a>;





    apparantly they got rid of it with the quicksilvers.
  • Reply 13 of 18
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Heh, it looks like they only had that with one revision. No wonder I never saw it.
  • Reply 14 of 18
    mac voyermac voyer Posts: 1,283member
    Why should they do away with the old server? They haven't done away with the old iMac. They'll sell them to anyone stup... Oh, never mind.
  • Reply 15 of 18
    rogue27rogue27 Posts: 607member
    [quote]Originally posted by Mac Voyer:

    <strong>Why should they do away with the old server? They haven't done away with the old iMac. They'll sell them to anyone stup... Oh, never mind.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    They may just be selling off old stock... or making them for schools and other institutions that request them. they should stop the old iMacs, maybe at the end of the educational buying season this year and just work on improving and price dropping the eMacs by a couple hundred before the next edu buying season.
  • Reply 16 of 18
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by rogue27:

    <strong>



    They may just be selling off old stock... or making them for schools and other institutions that request them. they should stop the old iMacs, maybe at the end of the educational buying season this year and just work on improving and price dropping the eMacs by a couple hundred before the next edu buying season.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    iMacs are cheap and still sell though. also have a very small footprint.



    eMac's may get cheaper but even then the imac CRT will just get even cheaper
  • Reply 17 of 18
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by applenut:

    <strong>



    iMacs are cheap and still sell though. also have a very small footprint.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    They still sell? Who's buying them?
  • Reply 18 of 18
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by EmAn:

    <strong>



    They still sell? Who's buying them?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    they sold like 148,000 last quarter I think. At that time they were the only desktop option for education from apple but now with the eMac it will be interesting to see how sales do.
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