New ATI Graphics Card... Will be?
We'll about a month ago I read some where that ATI was releasing a new graphics card. Speculated date was mid-April. With all the next tuesday speculation for the PowerMac, several pointed out it would be stupid to release a new G5 if one month later ATI updated it's Mac Graphics card.
So do anyone have any thoughts as to what the new Graphics card will be?
Anyways along the PowerMac G5 front... it seems like the NAB event will be the host of the PowerMac release or at least around that same time in Mid-Aprl.
So do anyone have any thoughts as to what the new Graphics card will be?
Anyways along the PowerMac G5 front... it seems like the NAB event will be the host of the PowerMac release or at least around that same time in Mid-Aprl.
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You will see my post and then it will make sense.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=40519
nVidia is absolutely going to kill ATi in this chipset refresh (nvidia releases its chip on april 13th). supposedly the NV40 (the new nvidia chip) will be 16 pipelines with 2 shader units per pipe. consider how the best nvidia card out now has 4 pipes with 2 shader units per pipe.
ati originally planned to ship a 12 pipe x 1 shader unit card, but when they realized what nvidia planned, they had to release a 16x1 card (originally going to be released in 5 months).
guys, if you can, you should seriously check out nvidia's newest card. april 13th is the release date, just 5 days from now.
Originally posted by g3pro
guys, can you tell me what's so great about ATi?
Up until this release, ATI has been even (ahead in some aspects, slightly behind in others) so either way it is a wash. And ATI and nVidia are the two cards placed in Macs. I guess their greatness comes from inclusion.
Originally posted by g3pro
guys, can you tell me what's so great about ATi?
nVidia is absolutely going to kill ATi in this chipset refresh (nvidia releases its chip on april 13th). supposedly the NV40 (the new nvidia chip) will be 16 pipelines with 2 shader units per pipe. consider how the best nvidia card out now has 4 pipes with 2 shader units per pipe.
ati originally planned to ship a 12 pipe x 1 shader unit card, but when they realized what nvidia planned, they had to release a 16x1 card (originally going to be released in 5 months).
guys, if you can, you should seriously check out nvidia's newest card. april 13th is the release date, just 5 days from now.
Well there's a substantial difference between "release" and shipping. As word has it nVidia's is expected to be very much a paper launch with actual products not seeing the light of day for a few months, at which time the little birds say ATi will be releasing a 16 pipleline product. Given their 12 pipeline product is apparently only a touch slower than nVidia's paper product but with immediate availability I really don't think ATi is too badly positioned. About the only thing nVidia really has is Pixel Shader 3.0 support. Great for marketing but not likely to appear in games until next year. Either way the competition is good for the market.
the 12x1 will be $400. now, who would go for the 12x1 version when a 16x1 version is around the corner?
the point is that the NV40 is spectacular and will be available for the mac immediately unlike the ATi product. I seriously hope that Apple ditches ATi and its crappy OpenGL support for nVidia.
Originally posted by g3pro
the 12x1 version will be out first but is available for $400 and is ONLY a 12x1 version. At the end of may, ATi will release their 16x1 version and their 8x1 version.
the point is that the NV40 is spectacular and will be available for the mac immediately unlike the ATi product. I seriously hope that Apple ditches ATi and its crappy OpenGL support for nVidia.
You're dreaming if you think nVidia's part is going to be available to buy before June. It won't be available immediately at all. ATi will have the fastest shipping product with their 12x1 card. If you want peak performance and need a card then you'll buy that. If you're willing to wait you'll wait for their 16x1 card. Given their 12x1 is meant to have performance only fractionally below the NV40 though you'd be a fool to write ATi off at this point given how long nVidia will take to ship.
Originally posted by g3pro
the 12x1 version will be out first but is available for $400 and is ONLY a 12x1 version. At the end of may, ATi will release their 16x1 version and their 8x1 version.
the 12x1 will be $400. now, who would go for the 12x1 version when a 16x1 version is around the corner?
the point is that the NV40 is spectacular and will be available for the mac immediately unlike the ATi product. I seriously hope that Apple ditches ATi and its crappy OpenGL support for nVidia.
If anything, if Apple is still hat'n ATi for their previous problems, Apple would already have had plans with nVidia, should anything happen.
should. anything. happen.
-walloo.
ATi is going to release it's new cards, and they'll be subtantially better than the 9800 series. Remember, I wouldn't say opengl support in OSX is better on nVidia cards, at least with a 9700 and up you get full shaders, in Halo with a GF4Ti you get about half.
Originally posted by Telomar
You're dreaming if you think nVidia's part is going to be available to buy before June. It won't be available immediately at all. ATi will have the fastest shipping product with their 12x1 card. If you want peak performance and need a card then you'll buy that. If you're willing to wait you'll wait for their 16x1 card. Given their 12x1 is meant to have performance only fractionally below the NV40 though you'd be a fool to write ATi off at this point given how long nVidia will take to ship.
When nVidia visited us a little while ago they claimed to be shipping imminently, and that we'd have cards in our hands really soon. Well before May.
The fact is, however, that neither chip will kill the other company. Nobody is going to be written off, and its better for the industry that they aren't. Competition is healthy. ATI has been on top for a while, nVidia has been working hard to get back there. Now its ATI's turn to work harder, meanwhile nVidia will strive to stay there. In the end the consumer wins.
Originally posted by g3pro
the 12x1 version will be out first but is available for $400 and is ONLY a 12x1 version. At the end of may, ATi will release their 16x1 version and their 8x1 version.
the 12x1 will be $400. now, who would go for the 12x1 version when a 16x1 version is around the corner?
the point is that the NV40 is spectacular and will be available for the mac immediately unlike the ATi product. I seriously hope that Apple ditches ATi and its crappy OpenGL support for nVidia.
*Sniff*
*Sniff*
Is that a fanboy I smell?
Originally posted by Programmer
When nVidia visited us a little while ago they claimed to be shipping imminently, and that we'd have cards in our hands really soon. Well before May.
The news they put out at release was 45 days, which puts it to the end of May. I rather expect cards will be rather sparse until into Juse as well. It's a paper launch.
http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?new...bCAgICAsMjAwNA
Edit: Almost forgot, this came from leaked ATI documents.
Originally posted by Pumpkintosh
*Sniff*
*Sniff*
Is that a fanboy I smell?
no. but Apple really needs to get away from ATi.
Arty50's info is good. The PCI-Express is the new version, and if the Rev-B PowerMacs have a PCI-E slot on them (as some of the forthcoming Athlon64 cards will have), these boards will be very good performers at a reasonable price.
Originally posted by dstranathan
There better be a beefy card in the mix for the DOOM3 release in June. I hope we have dual 2.5 GHz G5s and baddass video cards!
Where does it say DOOM3 is coming to the Mac? I must have missed that.
Besides. Nvidia looks way better. Even the makers of DOOM3 say so.
They also recommend Nvidia Geforce FX's (which are not available on the Mac) to play the game on.
The new Nvidia 6800's are way ahead of that ATI map, and the 6800 is ready. This is what it say's at Toms hardware
Originally posted on Tom's Hardware
12.000 points in 3DMark 2003. A score of over 60.000 in AquaMark 3. Over 60fps in Halo at 1600x1200 and more than 50fps in FarCry with High FSAA and 4tap anisotropic filtering at 1024x768 - these are numbers that will bring tears of joy to PC enthusiasts everywhere.
LINK TO TOMS
Originally posted by g3pro
no. but Apple really needs to get away from ATi.
I disagree -- nVidia's track record isn't significantly different, and competition is a good thing.