Shouldn't maximize button resize complete screen?
I've always wondered why Apple's maximize button doesn't resize the window to fill the complete screen (as it does in Window environment).
Within the Finder, it simply resizes to the previous size. In Safari, it resizes to fit the vertical height of the screen but not the horizontal.
What's the thinking behind this?
Within the Finder, it simply resizes to the previous size. In Safari, it resizes to fit the vertical height of the screen but not the horizontal.
What's the thinking behind this?
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I didn't read the whole thread, but if I recall, this thread talks about it.
And don't think I'm just saying this because I'm biased against MS, it's really just bad interface the way they do it. It stops work flow like you wouldn't believe. Once you've been using Apple's UI for a while you'll never want to go back to the way MS does it. I just feel so much faster on a Mac, I feel like I accomplish more just because of the UI.
The most annoying thing I notice is that some windows users reflexively maximize windows, i.e. open an explorer window that has three things in it on a 1600x1200 screen, *maximize*. WTF?!
However for resolutions lower than 1280x1024, it seems that (for me) one program tends to take the almost the entire screen space, like safari would take the whole screen to render a typical web page.
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Why doesn't the second click take me back to the original size?
I have found some apps like the Finder don't seem to follow the ruls very well. The zoom widget works the first time then, as others mentioned, doesn't return to its previous state but creates a third condition. I don't know if it's a Carbon thing, some leftover from legacy code or what. The Cocoa apps I've used all get this right IIRC so it makes me think it's a piece of legacy code that's screwed up, or a developer using their own divine wisdom to mess with the widget's action.
So, in other words, what everyone else said.
Originally posted by DMBand0026
A window should NEVER take up the entire screen and leave you with no access to anything behind it.
Doesn't Expose alleviate this problem? Personally, I would love an option to have a screen completely filled.
Perhaps its something as simple as Option-clicking the Green + button.
But what would be the point of maximizing? If you find that the other things in the background are clutter, you can minimize, hide and such. Also, if you're working in one application exclusively, you're not really taking full advantage of your Mac. The size-to-fit model encourages interleavingof tasks, windows and applications.
Perhaps they could add single window mode into Expose/the Dock? It might seriously be a good idea.
Say no to fullscreen windows.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Maximizing windows and thus preventing myself from multitasking gives me Pre-System 6 flashbacks and makes me very sad indeed.
Say no to fullscreen windows.
Yes, I know. But don't you also like UI consistency? I don't fullscreen my windows. However, if I did, it would be nice if clicking the zoom box once made the window small, and clicking again made it restore to its previous size. Whether its previous size was full screen or not, that's how it SHOULD behave.
So, we all know you hate full screen windows. What do you have to say about this inconsistency though? Have you had problems with it as well? It has basically made the zoom box useless for me. If it behaved like it should, it might be useful. Until then, I'm not touching it.
I don't even like to hear the word 'maximize' anymore, regardless of context.
That one word, and feature, sums up everything wrong with MS and their UI technology.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
Perhaps they could add single window mode into Expose/the Dock? It might seriously be a good idea.
that is a nice approach, really. maybe it is intended by option-clicking dock app icon, which brings the targeted app to the forground and hides all others simultaniously. it is not the same, i know.
Another thing:
what about "full monitor view mode"? I think about a feature similar to "photoshops" or "adobe acr. readers" "view mode"? there are other apps which support that kind of full monitor view mode. word for instance. That would be a nifty feature in all apps. IMHO anyway
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Originally posted by Luca
Yes, I know. But don't you also like UI consistency? I don't fullscreen my windows. ...
i'm not quite sure if we are talking about the same. I give you one example: when i am travelling by train, there is nothing better, than to sit down, relax (light a cigar) run acro. reader and read over a screenplay. I view it in "fullscreen mode" (or "slide show mode"), no menubar, nothing, that could disturb - anyway, document only.
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Originally posted by Tuttle
Ugh.
That one word, and feature, sums up everything wrong with MS and their UI technology.
DITO
But how do you explain one common (at least that is my experience) word all windows users fire up, who are playing a bit around with any Os X Machine: "Nice, but where do you maximize?"
Than i hit "zoom buttom", the window enlarges a bit to fit to content. And i hear: "That is not maximize! Hell what do you mean, macs can not maximize??? Are you serious about that?"
Than i fire up my explanation ("well, let me explain, the entire philosophy behind is a bit different and such.")
but still hear pitched moans: "Yes, but, i can not maximize, that is hilarious. jesus, i have to tell my friends macs can not maximize, unbelievable, such a hype and they can not maximize."
No kidding!
Originally posted by Vox Barbara
DITO
But how do you explain one common (at least that is my experience) word all windows users fire up, who are playing a bit around with any Os X Machine: "Nice, but where do you maximize?"
Than i hit "zoom buttom", the window enlarges a bit to fit to content. And i hear: "That is not maximize! Hell what do you mean, macs can not maximize??? Are you serious about that?"
Than i fire up my explanation ("well, let me explain, the entire philosophy behind is a bit different and such.")
but still hear pitched moans: "Yes, but, i can not maximize, that is hilarious. jesus, i have to tell my friends macs can not maximize, unbelievable, such a hype and they can not maximize."
No kidding!
How about you go over to their place and ask "Nice, but where do you fit-to-content?"
Then they might hit the maximize button and you could say something like "That's not fit-to-content! Hell what do you mean, Windows can't fit-to-content??? Are you serious about that?"
Than they might go on about how maximize is fun and cool.
Then you could moan "Yes, but, I can not fit-to-content, that is hilarious. Jesus, I have to tell my AppleInsider friends Windows can not fit-to-content, unbelievable, such a hype and they can not fit-to-content."
Originally posted by kim kap sol
How about you go over to their place and ask "Nice, but where do you fit-to-content?"
Then they might hit the maximize button and you could say something like "That's not fit-to-content! Hell what do you mean, Windows can't fit-to-content??? Are you serious about that?"
Than they might go on about how maximize is fun and cool.
Then you could moan "Yes, but, I can not fit-to-content, that is hilarious. Jesus, I have to tell my AppleInsider friends Windows can not fit-to-content, unbelievable, such a hype and they can not fit-to-content."
yeah i don't give a bloody damn about visiting their place
Originally posted by BuonRotto
I don't know if it's a Carbon thing, some leftover from legacy code or what. The Cocoa apps I've used all get this right IIRC
Often, they don't.
Actually, this is one of the examples where the NeXT/Cocoa-guys never quite understood what the sense of a certain paradigm in MacOS was. This is why "old" applications stemming from the MacOS 8 days usually get it right and the new kids on the block (yes, the Finder is new) get it wrong. Or don't even bother to provide a resize feature (like System Preferences). Or don't care if you click the green button (like Adress book). Or go pseudo-fullscreen (like Font Book)
Interface consistancy has gone out of the window (no pun intended here) with OS X.