Poll: Most Americans oppose same-sex marriage
From CNN:
Of course, most Americans oppose smoking. Most Americans oppose drinking. Most americans (by a wide margin) oppose guns.
There was a time when most Americans opposed interraciual marriage. Most Americans opposed the abolition of slavery. Most Americans opposed women's suffrage.
You can't make laws based on what "most people" believe in. That's the very foundation of freedom.
Quote:
By a margin of 55 to 41 percent, those polled agreed with the statement that "if gays are allowed to marry, the institution of marriage will be degraded."
By a margin of 55 to 41 percent, those polled agreed with the statement that "if gays are allowed to marry, the institution of marriage will be degraded."
Of course, most Americans oppose smoking. Most Americans oppose drinking. Most americans (by a wide margin) oppose guns.
There was a time when most Americans opposed interraciual marriage. Most Americans opposed the abolition of slavery. Most Americans opposed women's suffrage.
You can't make laws based on what "most people" believe in. That's the very foundation of freedom.
Comments
Additionally, I have some gay friends (around 45 yo), living together since ever, that tried hard to adopt a young child. They never could and that will remain a pain in their lives.
That will happen too. 'just a question of time ;-)
We're come a long way but there's a long way to go.
After the wave of Gay Marriage in the US, some French lawyers discovered that nothing explicitly stated (in Law texts) that a wedding was exclusively between two persons of opposite sex.
Although there is a special and very legal contract for gays (and others -> Heteros who don't want to get married for any personal reasons ? the PACS) this is an occasion to relaunch the debate of an explicit equality between Hetero and Homo couples (lovers).
Many approved (The Mayor of Paris is Gay (left), the actual Cultural Minister is too (right), and many others... Actually there is a lot of gay political personalities that are gays in France... ;-) )
Remember, we are Frogs ;-))))
Originally posted by tonton
From CNN:
Of course, most Americans oppose smoking. Most Americans oppose drinking. Most americans (by a wide margin) oppose guns.
There was a time when most Americans opposed interraciual marriage. Most Americans opposed the abolition of slavery. Most Americans opposed women's suffrage.
You can't make laws based on what "most people" believe in. That's the very foundation of freedom.
I oppose smoking. I'm glad to see multiple limits placed on it.
I've never read a poll that say most Americans oppose drinking. I've read polls that say most Americans oppose drinking and driving for example, but not just drinking. If anything I've seen multiple polls that claim support for legalized marijuana.
I've never even read that most Americans opposed the abolition of slavery. If the majority of Americans had supported slavery, why the 3/5ths compromise in the Constitution? Probably because they had to agree to disagree. I would bet that a majority of Americans at the time thought blacks inferior to whites. But I've never read that slavery had wide support outside of the South.
If most Americans opposed women's sufferage, then how did they ever get the vote? Certainly they didnt vote it in for themselves. In fact since it require a Constitutional Amendment, I would say it had to have overwhelming support.
As for your little saying at the end, if you can't make laws for what a majority believe, then why a minority? One group decides they want to change the definition of a word. Part of free speech is that you don't get to tell me what I have to believe or what words must mean to me. If I want to decide that for myself it isn't hateful. It isn't bigotry. It is my right.
Nick
As for polls I can't stand them, ask about a polling ranker for a metro market for radio stations, TV shows, and stuff and they can ask all sorts of questions and still never get you the info you'd like. I remember once, the poll was worded for the daily show of friends, it was worded such as. "with all the other shows out there daily on TV, which would one would you choose, (A, Friends, B Mash, C, (other stupid sitcom nobody ever watched,) D (same situation), they worded it in that all the other values where completely out of demo, and let me tell you most Polls are worded the same. Yes there are exceptions, and those exceptions are the reason people still do polls.
Originally posted by trumptman
As for your little saying at the end, if you can't make laws for what a majority believe, then why a minority? One group decides they want to change the definition of a word. Part of free speech is that you don't get to tell me what I have to believe or what words must mean to me. If I want to decide that for myself it isn't hateful. It isn't bigotry. It is my right.
Your venom doesn't help support your case.
In this case a minority isn't making a law based on what they believe, the Constitution is protecting a minority from the illegal behavior of the masses.
If the majority of Americans had supported slavery, why the 3/5ths compromise in the Constitution?
The 3/5ths compromise had absolutely nothing at all to do with the abolition or support of slavery. Nothing at all.
If Hitler was Austrian, then why does asparagus make your pee smell funny?
As for your little saying at the end, if you can't make laws for what a majority believe, then why a minority?
We make law based on the Constitution, not the "majority" or "minority".
Originally posted by tonton
...
You can't make laws based on what "most people" believe in. That's the very foundation of freedom.
OF COURSE you can. Rights keep us safe from the tyranny of the majority. But laws are passed by the majority.
Originally posted by Aquatic
And I'm a socialist!
You're a socialist too?
Originally posted by bunge
Your venom doesn't help support your case.
In this case a minority isn't making a law based on what they believe, the Constitution is protecting a minority from the illegal behavior of the masses.
Have to mischaracterize what you can't argue against I suppose.
As for what the Constitution protects, since the equal protection clause is teh 14th AMENDMENT, and was passed by large MAJORITIES, I would say that claiming the Constitution automatically protects or supports whatever you happen to want it to is akin to wishing on a star.
Nick
Originally posted by groverat
The 3/5ths compromise had absolutely nothing at all to do with the abolition or support of slavery. Nothing at all.
If Hitler was Austrian, then why does asparagus make your pee smell funny?
We make law based on the Constitution, not the "majority" or "minority".
We make laws based on the majority. However the majority does not have the ability to take away certain rights.
As for your other mutterings, try to cite something or lay off the booze when posting so you make some sense. Any material you care to look up will cite that the three-fifths compromise was about getting support from the South to join the Union while making the North feel slavery was contained and on a path to extinction.
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
As for your other mutterings, try to cite something or lay off the booze when posting so you make some sense.
Gee wasn't there someone here recently railing against ad hominem attacks? Too bad they're not here now.
Originally posted by tonton
From CNN:
Of course, most Americans oppose smoking. Most Americans oppose drinking. Most americans (by a wide margin) oppose guns.
There was a time when most Americans opposed interraciual marriage. Most Americans opposed the abolition of slavery. Most Americans opposed women's suffrage.
You can't make laws based on what "most people" believe in. That's the very foundation of freedom.
interesting, the poll i read showed the margin as being 90-10, in opposition to gay marriage. oh wait, maybe it was 80-20, or 70-30, 68-32... you get my point.
Originally posted by trumptman
Have to mischaracterize what you can't argue against I suppose.
As for what the Constitution protects, since the equal protection clause is teh 14th AMENDMENT, and was passed by large MAJORITIES, I would say that claiming the Constitution automatically protects or supports whatever you happen to want it to is akin to wishing on a star.
Your spite really keeps you from making any sense. Feel free to be a bit more explicit.
Any material you care to look up will cite that the three-fifths compromise was about getting support from the South to join the Union while making the North feel slavery was contained and on a path to extinction.
The 3/5ths compromise was about representation in federal government, not abolition.
The Southern states wanted slaves to count as a full person towards population. The Northern states did not want slaves to count at all towards population.
I believe that gays should be allowed to get "married" legally. As in civil unions.
I don't think the Church should marry gays. (I am Catholic).
The state should treat everyone equally, single or married.
Originally posted by soulcrusher
Now that I think about it, I believe that there should not be such thing as legal marriage. It should be exclusively a religious thing.
The state should treat everyone equally, single or married.
thats a great idea, unfortunately it'll never pass