New eMac have 8x SuperDrives
the new eMacs have 8x SuperDrives, and the G5's only have 4x SuperDrives. I believe that this is good evidence that a New G5 is coming soon...I mean, they can't have a low-end model Mac with a faster drive than the top-end Mac....Can they?At least not for 3 months! Maybe for 5 days(NAB) but not for 3 months~~~~!!!
i also just realized that the eMacs have a faster super drive than the iMacs....This may mean that iMac updates are also soon!
i also just realized that the eMacs have a faster super drive than the iMacs....This may mean that iMac updates are also soon!
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Originally posted by concentricity
that depends, if the eMacs don't ship for 6 months, then there's no problem.
"1-3 business days."
PLEASE OH-MIGHTY CUPERTINO PEOPLE GIVE ME G5S!
Originally posted by applejustworks2
well if they ship in 1-3 days, then that doesn't change my original post....eMac simply CANNOT have better optical drives than PowerMac G5's !!! It just isn't possible. And if the new G5's aren't coming until WWDC, the eMac will have the best optical drive, and that just isn't right. Therefore G5 updates must be right around the corner, along with the iMac updates.
PLEASE OH-MIGHTY CUPERTINO PEOPLE GIVE ME G5S!
Well, in case you guys couldn't tell, my post about shipping was just a joke. anyway, i don't see it being a problem at all that eMacs (the newest hardware released) have a single component (superdrive) that is better than the one in the (now 7-8 month old) G5's. That's just the way things work. And as soon as new G5's come out, you can be sure they'll have the newest stuff.
The point you're missing is that the PowerMacs still have (and will for a year or more) countless components that far outpace an eMac, despite the fact that the G5's are now old, and the eMacs are brand new. That's the essence of Pro vs. Consumer.
And now for something completely different...
The run-down of changes from old to new eMac (combo):
Part/Spec`````Old````````````````````New
CPU```````````1.0GHz`````````````````1.25GHz
L2````````````256K 1:1```````````````512K 1:1
Bus```````````133MHz`````````````````166MHz
Ram```````````PC133 (128MB)``````````DDR333 (256MB)
Video`````````Radeon 7500/32(SDR)````Radeon 9200/32(DDR)
HDD```````````ATA/66 (60GB)``````````ATA/100 (40GB)
Optical```````32/32/10/8`````````````32/32/12/10
Price`````````$999```````````````````$799
Not a bad update. With the combination of the faster L2, the bus, and the ATA/100, overall performance in real world tasks should be quite a bit better. And with the Radeon9200 (and Quartz Extreme) the gui should 'feel' faster too. I haven't yet been able to find out if the HD's are 5400RPM or 7200RPM, but I'm guessing 5400. Anybody know this?
[edit] sorry, the text in the post box is monospaced, but the board isn't, so the formatting sucks.[/edit]
[edit by Amorph: The code tag is your friend.
As far as the Superdrives are concerned, there's really not much difference. 8x DVD-R media is so expensive that I don't even bother, even though I do have an 8x DVD-R drive in my PowerMac. 4x media costs under $1 a disc, while 8x media costs $3 per disc, or more. It's not worth the added expense to buy the faster media. So I really don't think there's much of a problem with the eMac having a faster Superdrive than the PowerMac. By the time 8x media is cheap and widely available, all Mac desktops will have 8x Superdrives.
Originally posted by applejustworks2
well if they ship in 1-3 days, then that doesn't change my original post....eMac simply CANNOT have better optical drives than PowerMac G5's !!! It just isn't possible. And if the new G5's aren't coming until WWDC, the eMac will have the best optical drive, and that just isn't right. Therefore G5 updates must be right around the corner, along with the iMac updates.
PLEASE OH-MIGHTY CUPERTINO PEOPLE GIVE ME G5S!
well I will say it again, NAB==upddates to pm, very minor proc boost, like 2.3 tops and a price drop and new optical drives
Originally posted by applejustworks2
well if they ship in 1-3 days, then that doesn't change my original post....eMac simply CANNOT have better optical drives than PowerMac G5's !!! It just isn't possible. And if the new G5's aren't coming until WWDC, the eMac will have the best optical drive, and that just isn't right. Therefore G5 updates must be right around the corner, along with the iMac updates.
Not necessarily true. If PowerMac updates were just around the corner, Apple would have announced them today, instead of the eMac announcement. Isn't the PowerMacs rumored to have dual-layer DVD-R anyway? If so, those won't be shipping for a couple months (right around time for WWDC).
Dave
Originally posted by Imergingenious
There's no way the update is only 2.3 and new drives. After 10 months, you should expect 2.4-2.6GHz high end with new graphics cards, new optical drives, Bigger HD, and possibly faster ram and second removable drive bay.
Perhaps you missed the rumor that Apple had planned those updates for March but had unforseen problems with the 90nm CPUs. They are assumed to now be focusing on getting the Rev C machines ready for WWDC - the likelyhood of Rev B seeing the light of day is now low. It just doesn't make sense to ramp up production of speed bumped PMacs with PCI Express, 3 GHz, and other signifiant upgrades coming at WWDC. (I hope.)
Here's to price drops on current PMacs for NAB, though.
- Jasen.
Originally posted by onlooker
Price drop on current PowerMac's at NAB maybe. New PowerMac at NAB. No way in h3ll!
No, it is possible.
Originally posted by Luca
I checked a while ago and the 40 GB drive is a 5400 RPM...
... and just for the record, 5400 rpm drives SUCK. But who can tell when you are stuck with a <200mhz bus?
Overall, they don't suck
Originally posted by Jubelum
... and just for the record, 5400 rpm drives SUCK. But who can tell when you are stuck with a <200mhz bus?
although i agree with the general sentiment (5400RPM drives aren't great), I don't quite think it's fair to say it doesn't matter on a "<200mhz bus". The bus is 64bit wide (8Bytes) x 166MHz. That gives a peak throughput of 1.328GB/s. So even a fully cached burst of data coming over the ATA/100 interface (100MB/s) can't come close to maxing out the bus.
Of course the reality is that the bus is shared by lots of devices, and the usable bandwidth is less because of that. but the slowest link in the chain is almost always going to be the drive itself. (which is why i say it's not fair to pick on the bus in this case)
I've personally decided that every new machine i buy (from apple) or build (windows/linux) will have a raptor (or two in RAID). I've seen so many examples (firsthand and otherwise) of systems with dated components, and slow system buses, but when you add a fast drive, the entire feel of the machine gets better. some amount of this is addressed by the now common 8MB cache in drives. but even that isn't addressing the real issue. the drive mechanisms need some real innovation. interface features will help, like SATA command queueing, bigger caches, etc. But advances in mechanisms is going to be the next big growth area for drive manufacturers. 10,000RPM helps a lot, greater densities, better bearings and actuators, etc. who knows what else. then maybe we can begin maxing out the bus bandwidth (or at least making better use of it).
"1-3 business days."
Thats Apple speak for 4 to 8 weeks.
Originally posted by Imergingenious
ahh no 5400 RPM drives don't suck. They have a relatively small performance penalty because they're greater density, and have advantages in being quiet and using less power. Plus they're cheaper.
Overall, they don't suck
Yes, they do suck. A quality Seagate 7200RPM drive is just as quiet as a 5400RPM drive. Less power? Maybe, but if that was my main concern I'd be running an Apple IIGS with no hard drive! Cheaper? Yes, but 7200RPM drives are so cheap, does it really matter?
And no, you don't need a fast bus to tell the difference. My "slow" dual 500 G4 with a 100MHZ bus performs substantially better with fast 7200RPM drives.
How can anybody read the spec sheet below, consider that the eMac hasn't had a significant update in a long time and the say "Not a bad update.". I see this as a lackluster update that has me wonderig just where Apple is going and if they have any respect for the makret place at all. One thing for sure the market place will have no respect for this machine.
The Apple communitty should be on the verge of having dramatically faster machines available to them, but even against todays machines this is a rather underpowered desktop machine. In a couple of months when the SLOWEST Power Mac will be + 2GHz and the fastest possiblly much faster will an old slow G4 machine be all that attractive to anybody?
I really hope that this machine does not foretell another round of speed bumps for the G4 iMacs. I didn't expect a G5 in the eMac revision but niether did I expect such a poor showing for the G4. Makes me wonder if the faster G4's will be going into iMacs, if so this owuld be very sad for the platform. The graphics card is rather pathetic also for new hardware fresh to the market place.
If you ask me a pretty bad update. I expect a bit of a performance differrential between the low end and the high end offered. What I don't expect is gash wider and deeper than the grand canyon. This is especially the case when new updates for the rest of the lines come out in the remaining weeks of spring.
Thanks
Dave
Originally posted by concentricity
Well, in case you guys couldn't tell, my post about shipping was just a joke. anyway, i don't see it being a problem at all that eMacs (the newest hardware released) have a single component (superdrive) that is better than the one in the (now 7-8 month old) G5's. That's just the way things work. And as soon as new G5's come out, you can be sure they'll have the newest stuff.
The point you're missing is that the PowerMacs still have (and will for a year or more) countless components that far outpace an eMac, despite the fact that the G5's are now old, and the eMacs are brand new. That's the essence of Pro vs. Consumer.
And now for something completely different...
The run-down of changes from old to new eMac (combo):
Code:
Part/Spec`````Old````````````````````New
CPU```````````1.0GHz`````````````````1.25GHz
L2````````````256K 1:1```````````````512K 1:1
Bus```````````133MHz`````````````````166MHz
Ram```````````PC133 (128MB)``````````DDR333 (256MB)
Video`````````Radeon 7500/32(SDR)````Radeon 9200/32(DDR)
HDD```````````ATA/66 (60GB)``````````ATA/100 (40GB)
Optical```````32/32/10/8`````````````32/32/12/10
Price`````````$999```````````````````$799
Not a bad update. With the combination of the faster L2, the bus, and the ATA/100, overall performance in real world tasks should be quite a bit better. And with the Radeon9200 (and Quartz Extreme) the gui should 'feel' faster too. I haven't yet been able to find out if the HD's are 5400RPM or 7200RPM, but I'm guessing 5400. Anybody know this?
[edit] sorry, the text in the post box is monospaced, but the board isn't, so the formatting sucks.[/edit]
[edit by Amorph: The code tag is your friend.
Originally posted by wizard69
This truely boggles the mind!
How can anybody read the spec sheet below, consider that the eMac hasn't had a significant update in a long time and the say "Not a bad update.". I see this as a lackluster update that has me wonderig just where Apple is going and if they have any respect for the makret place at all. One thing for sure the market place will have no respect for this machine.
The Apple communitty should be on the verge of having dramatically faster machines available to them, but even against todays machines this is a rather underpowered desktop machine. In a couple of months when the SLOWEST Power Mac will be + 2GHz and the fastest possiblly much faster will an old slow G4 machine be all that attractive to anybody?
I really hope that this machine does not foretell another round of speed bumps for the G4 iMacs. I didn't expect a G5 in the eMac revision but niether did I expect such a poor showing for the G4. Makes me wonder if the faster G4's will be going into iMacs, if so this owuld be very sad for the platform. The graphics card is rather pathetic also for new hardware fresh to the market place.
If you ask me a pretty bad update. I expect a bit of a performance differrential between the low end and the high end offered. What I don't expect is gash wider and deeper than the grand canyon. This is especially the case when new updates for the rest of the lines come out in the remaining weeks of spring.
Thanks
Dave
The eMac is the lowest end...there's no way they could put a faster G4 in there because they pretty much don't exist...and there's no way they can put a G5 in there while the iMac, PowerBook and iBook still have G4s.
You're asking for too much.
If anything, the eMac @ 1.25GHz means either Motorola woke up and smelled the coffee and got G4s up to 1.6GHz+ or the iMac and PowerBook are getting G5s in the next rev.