"Rumsfeld Knew"

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Buffalo News

Rumsfeld Knew: Iraq Prison Abuse Part of Pentagon-approved Black Ops Program




As everyone probably already knows by now, an article in the New Yorker claims responsibility for this abuse scandal goes directly to Don himself and other officials like Alberto R. Gonzales, as a Newsweek article this week discusses. Looks like we're still giving the Don 2 weeks? I like John McCain's quote the best "We need to take this up as far as it goes, and we need to do it quickly."

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  • Reply 1 of 8
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by segovius

    Really it's no surprise is it ?



    After 911 the debate was all about how torture was necessary for 'terrorists' and how 'the world had changed' or some such drivel - no-one on the right found it offensive then and the only reason they aren't spouting now is because they are faced with hard evidence rather than just their own vacuous witterings. Doesn't mean they have a different view though.



    ...




    I remember it being the opposite. Is this the part of the thread where we make up what we want to be true and forget reality?
  • Reply 2 of 8
    haraldharald Posts: 2,152member
    Well you just posted, so, yes; I guess it is.
  • Reply 3 of 8
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    I just remember it being the exact opposite. IMO segovius just pulls this out of this ass, whatever sounds the best to him and has the right anit-US spin.





    Care to back up that statement segovius?
  • Reply 4 of 8
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,261member
    The political threads are such a good source of entertainment.



    Sorry, please continue.



  • Reply 5 of 8
    giantgiant Posts: 6,041member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    Is this the part of the thread where we make up what we want to be true and forget reality?



    There's a part where you don't do that?
  • Reply 6 of 8
    madmax559madmax559 Posts: 596member
    what rummy & admins have done is something incredibly stupid

    & dangerous

    by refusing to acknowlegde the geneva conventions &

    indefinitly detaining people, we created the following

    scenario.



    1.other countries will refuse to commit troops

    to help us in any future conflict



    2.since we cannot abide by international law theres

    no good reason for any other country to do so as well



    ...we just threw out 50 years of diplomacy & respect.



    in the long long run we need this planet more than this

    planet needs us. it would be incredibly aggrogant to believe

    we will always be the strongest.
  • Reply 7 of 8
    Quote:

    Originally posted by madmax559

    what rummy & admins have done is something incredibly stupid

    & dangerous

    by refusing to acknowlegde the geneva conventions &

    indefinitly detaining people, we created the following

    scenario.



    1.other countries will refuse to commit troops

    to help us in any future conflict



    2.since we cannot abide by international law theres

    no good reason for any other country to do so as well



    ...we just threw out 50 years of diplomacy & respect.



    in the long long run we need this planet more than this

    planet needs us. it would be incredibly aggrogant to believe

    we will always be the strongest.




    If this doesn't express the truth...the whole truth and nothing but the truth for scott...I don't know what will.



    Stars And Stripes Of Corruption - Dead Kennedys



    Finally got to Washington in the middle of the night

    I couldn't wait

    I headed straight for the Capitol Mall

    My heart began to pound

    Yahoo! It really exists

    The American International Pictures logo



    I looked up at that Capitol Building

    Couldn't help but wonder why

    I felt like saying "Hello, old friend"



    Walked up the hill to touch it

    Then I unzipped my pants

    And pissed on it when nobody was looking



    Like a great eternal Klansman

    With his two flashing red eyes

    Turn around he's always watching

    The Washington monument pricks the sky

    With flags like pubic hair ringed 'round the bottom



    The symbols of our heritage

    Lit up proudly in the night

    Somehow fits to see the homeless people

    Passed out on the lawn



    So this is where it happens

    The power games and bribes

    All lobbying for a piece of ass



    Of the stars and stripes of corruption

    Makes me feel so ashamed

    To be an American

    When we're too stuck up to learn from our mistakes

    Trying to start another Viet Nam

    Whilke fiddling while Rome burns at home

    The Boss says, "You're laid off. Blame the Japanese"

    "America's back," alright

    At the game it plays the worst

    Strip mining the world like a slave plantation



    No wonder others hate us

    And the Hitlers we handpick

    To bleed their people dry

    For our evil empire



    The drug we're fed

    To make us like it

    Is God and country with a band



    People we know who should know better

    Howl, "America riles. Let's go to war!"

    Business scams are what's worth dying for



    Are the Terrorists our worst enemy?

    We're destroying ourselves instead

    Who cares about our civil rights

    As long as I get paid?



    The blind Me-Generation

    Doesn't care if life's a lie



    so easily used, so proud to enforce



    The stars and stripes of corruption

    Let's bring it all down!

    Tell me who's the real patriots

    The Archie Bunker slobs waving flags?

    Or the people with the guts to work

    For some real change

    Rednecks and bombs don't make us strong

    We loot the world, yet we can't even feed ourselves

    Our real test of strength is caring

    Not the toys of war we sell the world

    Just carry on, thankful to be farmed like worms

    Old glory for a blanket

    As you suck on your thumbs



    Real freedom scares you

    'Cos it means responsibility



    So you chicken out and threaten me



    Saying, "Love it or leave it"

    I'll get beat up if I criticize it

    You say you'll fight to the death

    To save your worthless flag



    If you want a banana republic that bad

    Why don't you go move to one

    But what can just one of us do?

    Against all that money and power

    Trying to crush us into roaches?



    We don't destroy society in a day

    Until we change ourselves first

    From the inside out



    We can start by not lying so much

    And treating other people like dirt

    It's easy not to base our lives

    On how much we can scam



    And you know

    It feels good to lift that monkey off our backs



    I'm thankful I live in a place

    Where I can say the things I do

    Without being taken out and shot

    So I'm on guard against the goons

    Trying to take my rights away

    We've got to rise above the need for cops and laws



    Let kids learn communication

    Instead of schools pushing competition

    How about more art and theater instead of sports?



    People will always do drugs

    Let's legalize them

    Crime drops when the mob can't price them

    Budget's in the red?

    Let's tax religion



    No one will do it for us

    We'll just have to fix ourselves

    Honesty ain't all that hard

    Just put Rambo back inside your pants

    Causing trouble for the system is much more fun



    Thank you for the toilet paper

    But your flag is meaningless to me

    Look around, we're all people

    Who needs countries anyway?



    Our land, I love it too

    I think I love it more than you

    I care enough to fight



    The stars and stripes of corruption

    Let's bring it all down!

    If we don't try

    If we just lie

    If we can't find

    A way to do it better than this

    Who will?



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