Kickaha and Amorph couldn't moderate themselves out of a paper bag. Abdicate responsibility and succumb to idiocy. Two years of letting a member make personal attacks against others, then stepping aside when someone won't put up with it. Not only that but go ahead and shut down my posting priviledges but not the one making the attacks. Not even the common decency to abide by their warning (afer three days of absorbing personal attacks with no mods in sight), just shut my posting down and then say it might happen later if a certian line is crossed. Bullshit flag is flying, I won't abide by lying and coddling of liars who go off-site, create accounts differing in a single letter from my handle with the express purpose to decieve and then claim here that I did it. Everyone be warned, kim kap sol is a lying, deceitful poster.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
And with such a departure from the traditional features of a "folder" it would aptly be given a new name to reduce the confusion. Really kim arguing over the name is pointless. SSDD, capice?
No...the confusion would be caused by two different ways of doing the exact same kind of grouping. There is exactly 0 reason for piles to exist.
1) the contents are dynamically-generated, not static
2) they don't exist on the file system as directory entries
3) their outside appearances gives information about their inside contents
Capiche?
1) Folder could be made to have dynamically-generated content also
2) is a non-issue since people don't know or care about this
3) folders could have an outside appearance that gives info about the inside content
Capiche?
I'd really like to know how you think 2) would work in list view, column view or in the open/save dialog. I'd like you to answer this question before you try to find other ways to contradict me.
And another question I'd like you to answer is "Why introduce a second way of grouping files?" I think Mac OS X is trying to go the 'simplicity' route, not the 'complexity' route. Adding another way of grouping files would confuse many end-users.
1, 2 and 3 could eventually be handled by folders making them much more powerful than they are now. And people are used to folders. So they wouldn't have to learn a new 'piles' concept.
Screw piles. For the dock, one could just update the way it's rendering folder contents to the way in the screenshots that's the base of this discussion. That would rock.
I'm a bit late into this thread, but why is this better than putting your games into one folder, dragging the folder to the dock, and control-clicking to see its contents?
Kickaha and Amorph couldn't moderate themselves out of a paper bag. Abdicate responsibility and succumb to idiocy. Two years of letting a member make personal attacks against others, then stepping aside when someone won't put up with it. Not only that but go ahead and shut down my posting priviledges but not the one making the attacks. Not even the common decency to abide by their warning (afer three days of absorbing personal attacks with no mods in sight), just shut my posting down and then say it might happen later if a certian line is crossed. Bullshit flag is flying, I won't abide by lying and coddling of liars who go off-site, create accounts differing in a single letter from my handle with the express purpose to decieve and then claim here that I did it. Everyone be warned, kim kap sol is a lying, deceitful poster.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Kickaha and Amorph couldn't moderate themselves out of a paper bag. Abdicate responsibility and succumb to idiocy. Two years of letting a member make personal attacks against others, then stepping aside when someone won't put up with it. Not only that but go ahead and shut down my posting priviledges but not the one making the attacks. Not even the common decency to abide by their warning (afer three days of absorbing personal attacks with no mods in sight), just shut my posting down and then say it might happen later if a certian line is crossed. Bullshit flag is flying, I won't abide by lying and coddling of liars who go off-site, create accounts differing in a single letter from my handle with the express purpose to decieve and then claim here that I did it. Everyone be warned, kim kap sol is a lying, deceitful poster.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Previously leaked beta versions of piles have a somewhat dynamic content viewing aspect to them different than relying on the Dock and Finder negotiating a display of a docked folder's contents. The short delays you get with a docked folder are due to directory caching being updated/read via the Finder. Piles have had more direct control of their contents--eliminating a middleman (the Finder)--can make response smoother and less restricted by Finder limitations (like use of metadata without rewriting the Finder). They are subtle but relatively important differences.
Nuh uh...I'm willing to bet the same choppy/slow response would happen if you had a large amount of files in the pile...especially considering there would be lots of animation happenin' on the screen as the files from the pile expand outwards.
And while my last paragraph might have looked contradictory to you, it's not. We're reducing the number of concepts a user has to learn and making a current concept more powerful.
The point is, Mr. Sol, that a *Folder* and a dynamically-created list of items are two different things. The first is a hierarchical container of objects - it can contain further folders, which in turn may contain folders again. It in itself is going to reside either in a folder, or on a volume.
The latter, however, does not come with a hierarchy, and it doesn't have any fixed point in the file system either.
The point is, Mr. Sol, that a *Folder* and a dynamically-created list of items are two different things. The first is a hierarchical container of objects - it can contain further folders, which in turn may contain folders again. It in itself is going to reside either in a folder, or on a volume.
The latter, however, does not come with a hierarchy, and it doesn't have any fixed point in the file system either.
You still haven't explained how these piles are going to work in the very hierarchical Finder that we have today. Column view and List view.
Ready. Set. Explain!
I'd be interested to know how they'll work in anything but icon view. In column view or list view, I wonder if they'd bring anything new that folders can't do.
And I still don't understand your fixation on piles being dynamic and folders not. The pile concept was never fully laid out so nobody really knows if piles were manually created or dynamically created. Folder could act like smart-playlists and dynamically sort files.
Maybe when we get a meta-data Finder, piles could become more interesting but I still would fail to see why a folder couldn't be made to dynamically modify its own content, give visual feedback of its content, and do all the cute things we've all seen in pile demos.
[..] but I still would fail to see why a folder couldn't be made to dynamically modify its own content, give visual feedback of its content, and do all the cute things we've all seen in pile demos.
Because that's physically impossible to accomplish on the file system?
Because a file needs a definite place to be stored that. Sure, you could create multiple softlinks to it to accomplish this, but then there would *still* have to be one *real* location of the file, and that *can't* be inside any of such dynamic containers.
You can, for example, have the two dynamic containers "Christmas Photos" and "2003 Photos". There would be an overlap of items in there: photos from Christmas 2003. Because of that, those files can physically exist in *neither* place, and must be in an entirely seperate directory. Which also means that, by removing "2003 Photos", i don't destroy any actual data.
Kickaha and Amorph couldn't moderate themselves out of a paper bag. Abdicate responsibility and succumb to idiocy. Two years of letting a member make personal attacks against others, then stepping aside when someone won't put up with it. Not only that but go ahead and shut down my posting priviledges but not the one making the attacks. Not even the common decency to abide by their warning (afer three days of absorbing personal attacks with no mods in sight), just shut my posting down and then say it might happen later if a certian line is crossed. Bullshit flag is flying, I won't abide by lying and coddling of liars who go off-site, create accounts differing in a single letter from my handle with the express purpose to decieve and then claim here that I did it. Everyone be warned, kim kap sol is a lying, deceitful poster.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Kickaha and Amorph couldn't moderate themselves out of a paper bag. Abdicate responsibility and succumb to idiocy. Two years of letting a member make personal attacks against others, then stepping aside when someone won't put up with it. Not only that but go ahead and shut down my posting priviledges but not the one making the attacks. Not even the common decency to abide by their warning (afer three days of absorbing personal attacks with no mods in sight), just shut my posting down and then say it might happen later if a certian line is crossed. Bullshit flag is flying, I won't abide by lying and coddling of liars who go off-site, create accounts differing in a single letter from my handle with the express purpose to decieve and then claim here that I did it. Everyone be warned, kim kap sol is a lying, deceitful poster.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
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Originally posted by macanoid?
Visual feedback perhaps?
That's baloney...folders could me made to create the same visual feedback as piles.
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Originally posted by AirSluf
And with such a departure from the traditional features of a "folder" it would aptly be given a new name to reduce the confusion. Really kim arguing over the name is pointless. SSDD, capice?
No...the confusion would be caused by two different ways of doing the exact same kind of grouping. There is exactly 0 reason for piles to exist.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
No...the confusion would be caused by two different ways of doing the exact same kind of grouping. There is exactly 0 reason for piles to exist.
Piles differ from folders in that
1) the contents are dynamically-generated, not static
2) they don't exist on the file system as directory entries
3) their outside appearances gives information about their inside contents
Capiche?
Originally posted by Chucker
Piles differ from folders in that
1) the contents are dynamically-generated, not static
2) they don't exist on the file system as directory entries
3) their outside appearances gives information about their inside contents
Capiche?
1) Folder could be made to have dynamically-generated content also
2) is a non-issue since people don't know or care about this
3) folders could have an outside appearance that gives info about the inside content
Capiche?
I'd really like to know how you think 2) would work in list view, column view or in the open/save dialog. I'd like you to answer this question before you try to find other ways to contradict me.
And another question I'd like you to answer is "Why introduce a second way of grouping files?" I think Mac OS X is trying to go the 'simplicity' route, not the 'complexity' route. Adding another way of grouping files would confuse many end-users.
1, 2 and 3 could eventually be handled by folders making them much more powerful than they are now. And people are used to folders. So they wouldn't have to learn a new 'piles' concept.
Originally posted by Chucker
Gosh, dude, you really manage to mess discussions up.
Yeah I know...I'm sorry.
I probably should have jumped on the piles bandwagon and agreed that is was an amazing solution.
Screw piles. For the dock, one could just update the way it's rendering folder contents to the way in the screenshots that's the base of this discussion. That would rock.
Yes, it looks cool. I'll admit that.
Originally posted by Placebo
why is this better than putting your games into one folder, dragging the folder to the dock, and control-clicking to see its contents?
Because you get cool animations. Duh
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Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Originally posted by AirSluf
Previously leaked beta versions of piles have a somewhat dynamic content viewing aspect to them different than relying on the Dock and Finder negotiating a display of a docked folder's contents. The short delays you get with a docked folder are due to directory caching being updated/read via the Finder. Piles have had more direct control of their contents--eliminating a middleman (the Finder)--can make response smoother and less restricted by Finder limitations (like use of metadata without rewriting the Finder). They are subtle but relatively important differences.
Nuh uh...I'm willing to bet the same choppy/slow response would happen if you had a large amount of files in the pile...especially considering there would be lots of animation happenin' on the screen as the files from the pile expand outwards.
And while my last paragraph might have looked contradictory to you, it's not. We're reducing the number of concepts a user has to learn and making a current concept more powerful.
The latter, however, does not come with a hierarchy, and it doesn't have any fixed point in the file system either.
Originally posted by Chucker
The point is, Mr. Sol, that a *Folder* and a dynamically-created list of items are two different things. The first is a hierarchical container of objects - it can contain further folders, which in turn may contain folders again. It in itself is going to reside either in a folder, or on a volume.
The latter, however, does not come with a hierarchy, and it doesn't have any fixed point in the file system either.
You still haven't explained how these piles are going to work in the very hierarchical Finder that we have today. Column view and List view.
Ready. Set. Explain!
I'd be interested to know how they'll work in anything but icon view. In column view or list view, I wonder if they'd bring anything new that folders can't do.
And I still don't understand your fixation on piles being dynamic and folders not. The pile concept was never fully laid out so nobody really knows if piles were manually created or dynamically created. Folder could act like smart-playlists and dynamically sort files.
Maybe when we get a meta-data Finder, piles could become more interesting but I still would fail to see why a folder couldn't be made to dynamically modify its own content, give visual feedback of its content, and do all the cute things we've all seen in pile demos.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
[..] but I still would fail to see why a folder couldn't be made to dynamically modify its own content, give visual feedback of its content, and do all the cute things we've all seen in pile demos.
Because that's physically impossible to accomplish on the file system?
Originally posted by Chucker
Because that's physically impossible to accomplish on the file system?
Why?
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Why?
Because a file needs a definite place to be stored that. Sure, you could create multiple softlinks to it to accomplish this, but then there would *still* have to be one *real* location of the file, and that *can't* be inside any of such dynamic containers.
You can, for example, have the two dynamic containers "Christmas Photos" and "2003 Photos". There would be an overlap of items in there: photos from Christmas 2003. Because of that, those files can physically exist in *neither* place, and must be in an entirely seperate directory. Which also means that, by removing "2003 Photos", i don't destroy any actual data.
And therein lies a huge difference to folders.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.