I can guarantee you that 99.9% of people calling themselves Christians *haven't* read them however, and revert to the oh-so-clever 'Because the Bible says so' when most of the time that *isn't* what the Bible says, and they're just using random snippets to justify atrocities against their family and neighbors.
Funny that someone suggest one read Luther, Calvin, or Aquinas to understand where the bible actually retracts all the old testament laws. If the bible is to be taken literally, then there should litteraly be something that says, "Ignore those old laws because..." Relying on interpretation, especially on authority, should be unnecessary.
Funny that someone suggest one read Luther, Calvin, or Aquinas to understand where the bible actually retracts all the old testament laws. If the bible is to be taken literally, then there should litteraly be something that says, "Ignore those old laws because..." Relying on interpretation, especially on authority, should be unnecessary.
Bingo.
It's a simple logic problem:
1) The Bible is the literal word of god, to be followed without question or interpretation.
Then obey *ALL* of it, you pinheads. Every. Last. Single. Verse. You don't get to pick and choose ala carte. No amount of post-100AD writing will ever replace the word of god, since it is absolute and inviolate.
2) The Bible is a flawed and imperfect human rendition of a human view of holiness and perfection, and is therefore in need of interpretation and deep thought.
Then stop insisting that particular snippets are suddenly 100% true, and utterly without variation or not open to interpretation.
The problem is that some (many? most?) Christians bounce between the two standpoints based on what's convenient for them at the moment. Part of it is ignorance, part of it is human indecency, and part of it is simply that it's an unfortunate merging of two basic and fundamentally at odds philosophies that got slammed together inappropriately.
It's just... human. Good people who don't know, bad people who don't care, and a framework that perpetuates both. Tragic, really.
Luckily, some (many? most?) manage to rise above it and either learn that which they didn't know, or actually take the lessons to heart and learn to change themselves.
But some never do... and unfortunately those are usually the most vocal, most evangelical, most political and most, well, evil of them all. All in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
It's just... human. Good people who don't know, bad people who don't care, and a framework that perpetuates both. Tragic, really.
Luckily, some (many? most?) manage to rise above it and either learn that which they didn't know, or actually take the lessons to heart and learn to change themselves.
But some never do... and unfortunately those are usually the most vocal, most evangelical, most political and most, well, evil of them all. All in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I agree that the most destructive holy rollers are the ones that see their interpretations as literal and all other interpretations as perverse, but still their must be some commonly accepted theological rationalization for why some old testament guidelines predure and others are discarded.
For the sake of argument, I'm wondering what they are. If they do, indeed, rely on the interpretations of Luther, Calvin, Aquinas or other theological authorities that would be pretty easy to dismiss as it is not scripture.
Cmon guys, Isn't there one AI theist can site where the new testament retracts guidelines of the old? I'm not baiting here, I do recall something from Sunday school along these lines, sorta the Jesus Christ New Deal.
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Originally posted by Kickaha
I can guarantee you that 99.9% of people calling themselves Christians *haven't* read them however, and revert to the oh-so-clever 'Because the Bible says so' when most of the time that *isn't* what the Bible says, and they're just using random snippets to justify atrocities against their family and neighbors.
Funny that someone suggest one read Luther, Calvin, or Aquinas to understand where the bible actually retracts all the old testament laws. If the bible is to be taken literally, then there should litteraly be something that says, "Ignore those old laws because..." Relying on interpretation, especially on authority, should be unnecessary.
Originally posted by Nordstrodamus
Funny that someone suggest one read Luther, Calvin, or Aquinas to understand where the bible actually retracts all the old testament laws. If the bible is to be taken literally, then there should litteraly be something that says, "Ignore those old laws because..." Relying on interpretation, especially on authority, should be unnecessary.
Bingo.
It's a simple logic problem:
1) The Bible is the literal word of god, to be followed without question or interpretation.
Then obey *ALL* of it, you pinheads. Every. Last. Single. Verse. You don't get to pick and choose ala carte. No amount of post-100AD writing will ever replace the word of god, since it is absolute and inviolate.
2) The Bible is a flawed and imperfect human rendition of a human view of holiness and perfection, and is therefore in need of interpretation and deep thought.
Then stop insisting that particular snippets are suddenly 100% true, and utterly without variation or not open to interpretation.
The problem is that some (many? most?) Christians bounce between the two standpoints based on what's convenient for them at the moment. Part of it is ignorance, part of it is human indecency, and part of it is simply that it's an unfortunate merging of two basic and fundamentally at odds philosophies that got slammed together inappropriately.
It's just... human. Good people who don't know, bad people who don't care, and a framework that perpetuates both. Tragic, really.
Luckily, some (many? most?) manage to rise above it and either learn that which they didn't know, or actually take the lessons to heart and learn to change themselves.
But some never do... and unfortunately those are usually the most vocal, most evangelical, most political and most, well, evil of them all. All in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Originally posted by Kickaha
It's just... human. Good people who don't know, bad people who don't care, and a framework that perpetuates both. Tragic, really.
Luckily, some (many? most?) manage to rise above it and either learn that which they didn't know, or actually take the lessons to heart and learn to change themselves.
But some never do... and unfortunately those are usually the most vocal, most evangelical, most political and most, well, evil of them all. All in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I agree that the most destructive holy rollers are the ones that see their interpretations as literal and all other interpretations as perverse, but still their must be some commonly accepted theological rationalization for why some old testament guidelines predure and others are discarded.
For the sake of argument, I'm wondering what they are. If they do, indeed, rely on the interpretations of Luther, Calvin, Aquinas or other theological authorities that would be pretty easy to dismiss as it is not scripture.
Cmon guys, Isn't there one AI theist can site where the new testament retracts guidelines of the old? I'm not baiting here, I do recall something from Sunday school along these lines, sorta the Jesus Christ New Deal.