- Bush / Tenet: Iraq's WMDs are a slam dunk (and many other stupid reasons)
- UN: unlimited access in Iraq, not a shred of evidence that Iraq has any WMDs, US intelligence is clearly wrong.
- Bush: Iraq's WMDs are slam dunk ánd Sadam is obstructing inspections
- UN: Look, that's simply not ...
- Bush: OPEN FIRE!!!!
(Now why don't we talk about the numerous resolutions against Isreal and other countries that were never upheld, or that got vetoed by the US and the US only, and wonder why the UN is such an ineffective organisation)
(To which Bush is begging this week to please help out)
(Not that the UN is perfect, but everybody beeing somewhat unhappy with it might just be an indication that at least is somewhat of an international authority)
You know every time we all feel like some bloodshed we should all meet up at the UN and pick the countries who are to go at like prize fighters. Then we can locate some desolate province somewhere (mongolia?) where the two armies can meet and have it out.
Why even involve armies? If we did this using robots no soldiers would have to die.
(Of course, then the Japanese would be running everything. Maybe a custom version of Quake III arena would be fairer.)
Why even involve armies? If we did this using robots no soldiers would have to die.
RobotJox. Glad I'm not the only one who remembers this.
"It is post-World War III. War is outlawed. In its place, are matches between large Robots called Robot Jox. These matches take place between two large superpowers over disputed territories"
and each member tithed 10% of their income to Hussain
They also each were developing dirty bombs that they planned to use against Republicans and little children.
Never mind those stories about corporate malfeasance, stories not restricted to France and Russia but also to Kellog, Brown and Root!
Its really all about how the UN was actually an army of Saddam's clone Puppet-sex-slaves who were putting up a front before they got that "Dead-Puppy-and-Children campaign" into full swing!!
But of course, Bush saw right through all those lies.
RobotJox. Glad I'm not the only one who remembers this.
Actually, I was thinking of Battlebots at the time (or maybe somthing along the lines of Roomba vs Aibo)...but I do remember RobotJox. Haven't thought about that in years...
The UN destroyed a shitload of civilian infrastructure within Iraq and did not support a popular uprising against Saddam and allowed the brutal dictator to crush it. Not only that, the UN strangled the Iraqi people for 12 years with sanctions.
The UN got Saddam out of Kuwait (a simple task) but failed in every other respect.
The UN destroyed a shitload of civilian infrastructure within Iraq and did not support a popular uprising against Saddam and allowed the brutal dictator to crush it. Not only that, the UN strangled the Iraqi people for 12 years with sanctions.
The UN got Saddam out of Kuwait (a simple task) but failed in every other respect.
RobotJox. Glad I'm not the only one who remembers this.
"It is post-World War III. War is outlawed. In its place, are matches between large Robots called Robot Jox. These matches take place between two large superpowers over disputed territories"
LOL....yeah, thanks to our invasion of Iraq. Where do you get your info. from? youngneocon.com? youngdittoheads.com?
Qaddafi has been in "westernization" mode for years now. To the point where his own son played in Italy's Serie A (soccer's elite division)with a soccer club called Perugia.
Not only that, but for over 2 years he has owned 7.5% of a soccer club called Juventus. Juventus is the equivalent of the NY Yankees.Qaddafi has shown strong interest in buying a Premiership club in the past aswell.
Your attributing Libya's willingness to sell us oil to the Iraqi "action" is pretty ridiculous. I'm sure the families of the 800 plus dead and the thousands of wounded US soldiers wouldn't agree with you about that "wonderful" side effect. In fact they'd probably tell you to go ...... yourself.
That he has put down his weapons is the positive side effect. I feel pretty confident that he was influenced by the action in Iraq. He does not want to be on the list.
Your other point about military families. I don't hear much complaining by the military or their families. Those who are complaining are the left wing Utopians. The military and the military families support the president and the war. Nio matter how often the main stream left media tells them they should not.
Actually, this is a good arguement for having let containment run its course . . . after all. Libya was sanctioned.
Zinni felt that we would ot have had to wait too long . . . allthough I also see Groverat's point, the only point he seems to have worth posting in AO these days, that the country was wrecked by the sanctions . . . allthough few Iraqis are discussing the large quantities of food they now get
One thing to point out: calling the lack of follow through in the first war the UN's fault is absurd . . . the US was responsible for that call: we encouraged the rebels and then we refused to back them as we lead them to believe that we would.
That he has put down his weapons is the positive side effect. I feel pretty confident that he was influenced by the action in Iraq. He does not want to be on the list.
Comments
- Bush / Tenet: Iraq's WMDs are a slam dunk (and many other stupid reasons)
- UN: unlimited access in Iraq, not a shred of evidence that Iraq has any WMDs, US intelligence is clearly wrong.
- Bush: Iraq's WMDs are slam dunk ánd Sadam is obstructing inspections
- UN: Look, that's simply not ...
- Bush: OPEN FIRE!!!!
(Now why don't we talk about the numerous resolutions against Isreal and other countries that were never upheld, or that got vetoed by the US and the US only, and wonder why the UN is such an ineffective organisation)
(To which Bush is begging this week to please help out)
(Not that the UN is perfect, but everybody beeing somewhat unhappy with it might just be an indication that at least is somewhat of an international authority)
Originally posted by Not Unlike Myself
You know every time we all feel like some bloodshed we should all meet up at the UN and pick the countries who are to go at like prize fighters. Then we can locate some desolate province somewhere (mongolia?) where the two armies can meet and have it out.
Why even involve armies? If we did this using robots no soldiers would have to die.
(Of course, then the Japanese would be running everything. Maybe a custom version of Quake III arena would be fairer.)
Originally posted by kneelbeforezod
Why even involve armies? If we did this using robots no soldiers would have to die.
RobotJox. Glad I'm not the only one who remembers this.
"It is post-World War III. War is outlawed. In its place, are matches between large Robots called Robot Jox. These matches take place between two large superpowers over disputed territories"
Insert *oil* where it says *territories*
Originally posted by Scott
The UN actually supported and funded Saddam.
And they were just his puppet
The UN actually was manned by Ba'athists
and each member tithed 10% of their income to Hussain
They also each were developing dirty bombs that they planned to use against Republicans and little children.
Never mind those stories about corporate malfeasance, stories not restricted to France and Russia but also to Kellog, Brown and Root!
Its really all about how the UN was actually an army of Saddam's clone Puppet-sex-slaves who were putting up a front before they got that "Dead-Puppy-and-Children campaign" into full swing!!
But of course, Bush saw right through all those lies.
I know its true!
Originally posted by Scott
The UN actually supported and funded Saddam.
Source?
Originally posted by Scott
The UN actually supported and funded Saddam.
So did we. What's your point?
Originally posted by Not Unlike Myself
RobotJox. Glad I'm not the only one who remembers this.
Actually, I was thinking of Battlebots at the time (or maybe somthing along the lines of Roomba vs Aibo)...but I do remember RobotJox. Haven't thought about that in years...
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How do you come to that absurd conclusion?
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The UN destroyed a shitload of civilian infrastructure within Iraq and did not support a popular uprising against Saddam and allowed the brutal dictator to crush it. Not only that, the UN strangled the Iraqi people for 12 years with sanctions.
The UN got Saddam out of Kuwait (a simple task) but failed in every other respect.
Originally posted by groverat
New:
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How do you come to that absurd conclusion?
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The UN destroyed a shitload of civilian infrastructure within Iraq and did not support a popular uprising against Saddam and allowed the brutal dictator to crush it. Not only that, the UN strangled the Iraqi people for 12 years with sanctions.
The UN got Saddam out of Kuwait (a simple task) but failed in every other respect.
Under hard US pressure you mean?
Originally posted by groverat
The UN got Saddam out of Kuwait (a simple task) but failed in every other respect.
That still wouldn't mean that the UN is to blame for the war in Iraq.
Originally posted by Not Unlike Myself
RobotJox. Glad I'm not the only one who remembers this.
"It is post-World War III. War is outlawed. In its place, are matches between large Robots called Robot Jox. These matches take place between two large superpowers over disputed territories"
Insert *oil* where it says *territories*
Yup! You're not the only one!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3777561.stm
Under hard US pressure you mean?
The US is a large part of the UN yes. What is your point?
That still wouldn't mean that the UN is to blame for the war in Iraq.
If you ignore the fact that the UN made a disaster of the nation in question then yes, the UN is completely blameless.
Originally posted by Common Man
Wonderful side effect of the action in iraq
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3777561.stm
LOL....yeah, thanks to our invasion of Iraq. Where do you get your info. from? youngneocon.com? youngdittoheads.com?
Qaddafi has been in "westernization" mode for years now. To the point where his own son played in Italy's Serie A (soccer's elite division)with a soccer club called Perugia.
Not only that, but for over 2 years he has owned 7.5% of a soccer club called Juventus. Juventus is the equivalent of the NY Yankees.Qaddafi has shown strong interest in buying a Premiership club in the past aswell.
Your attributing Libya's willingness to sell us oil to the Iraqi "action" is pretty ridiculous. I'm sure the families of the 800 plus dead and the thousands of wounded US soldiers wouldn't agree with you about that "wonderful" side effect. In fact they'd probably tell you to go ...... yourself.
Your other point about military families. I don't hear much complaining by the military or their families. Those who are complaining are the left wing Utopians. The military and the military families support the president and the war. Nio matter how often the main stream left media tells them they should not.
Originally posted by Common Man
Wonderful side effect of the action in iraq
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3777561.stm
Actually, this is a good arguement for having let containment run its course . . . after all. Libya was sanctioned.
Zinni felt that we would ot have had to wait too long . . . allthough I also see Groverat's point, the only point he seems to have worth posting in AO these days, that the country was wrecked by the sanctions . . . allthough few Iraqis are discussing the large quantities of food they now get
One thing to point out: calling the lack of follow through in the first war the UN's fault is absurd . . . the US was responsible for that call: we encouraged the rebels and then we refused to back them as we lead them to believe that we would.
Originally posted by Common Man
That he has put down his weapons is the positive side effect. I feel pretty confident that he was influenced by the action in Iraq. He does not want to be on the list.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.