I use OS9 at work, and OSX at home. My company has a massive investment in OS9 software. There isn't any money to upgrade them to OSX versions. Some of the software will never be upgraded for X. That's no big deal, because currently, OSX is NOT STABLE enough to work in a production environment. I can't run 2 programs on my home Macs at the same time on OSX.3.4 without getting a crash at least once per night (both have 768 MB RAM). OS9 at work hard crashes less than once per month. If I can't trust my home machines to run without crashing, how can I trust OSX at work? Hopefully X.4 will solve the stability problems.
I started on OS1, and up to OS9 it was easy to learn and fix problems. As long as you kept control of your extensions you could limit the crashes. Some things like the Chooser have always been a pain in the ass. Whoever wrote that should be forced to use winXP "pro" for a week as punishment. OSX was a challenge, but I learned it. Was it needed? No. Is it the Mac OS from now on? Yes. Can I use it? Yes.
Expose is cool. Windowshades are cool. The docks sucks. It reminds me of windows. At least X gives me the option to ignore the dock, and by hacking X I can have most of 9's goodies back too. Yes, I learned how to abuse the CLI in X.
My dad is using OSX on his G5. He says he never really understood the way OS9 worked, and he is happy with X. My mom is using both equally. She is happy to forget that the Chooser ever existed.
It is easy to switch winblows users to OSX, because they haven't had an easy to use OS since win98SE. Anyone stuck on ME or XP would be in heaven on X. Winblows users badmouthing OS9 haven't got a clue. It's like saying you prefer MS-DOS v1 to win 95.
Linux users switching I can understand, because 90% of the crap in Linux is in OSX also. I had to learn Linux at work for evaluation purposes (to see if it could replace the win boxes). If you can understand half the stuff in Linux you are close to being an expert in X. To be able to install new hardware without tearing your hair out looking for some bizzare command (like in Linux) is a pleasure.
[B]I use OS9 at work, and OSX at home. My company has a massive investment in OS9 software. There isn't any money to upgrade them to OSX versions. Some of the software will never be upgraded for X. That's no big deal, because currently, OSX is NOT STABLE enough to work in a production environment. I can't run 2 programs on my home Macs at the same time on OSX.3.4 without getting a crash at least once per night (both have 768 MB RAM). OS9 at work hard crashes less than once per month. If I can't trust my home machines to run without crashing, how can I trust OSX at work? Hopefully X.4 will solve the stability problems.
No, it won't, because something is simply *NOT RIGHT* with your OS X installations. Period. My uptimes are measured in *months*, not hours, as are most people's.
I would check your RAM, first off, as well as full disk checks (catalog and permissions).
OS X is more stable than OS 9 for equally and properly configured systems, period. If you're seeing otherwise, *something is wrong*.
I use OS9 at work, and OSX at home. My company has a massive investment in OS9 software. There isn't any money to upgrade them to OSX versions. Some of the software will never be upgraded for X. That's no big deal, because currently, OSX is NOT STABLE enough to work in a production environment....
Sorry, but you will never convince anyone that OS 9 is more stable than OS X! OS 9 may have its advantages over X, but stability is not one of them. Pointing out that a) some software packages are only available/or are more mature & stable under OS 9 does not mean that the operating system itself is more stable. These are two completely different things.
As Kickaha mentioned, there is something wrong with your set-up.
IME in a production environment, while OS X itself seems to be more stable than 9 (though 9 has been good to me), most of the major creative applications for it are not. Networking needs to be improved as well - bigtime.
I have noticed that once you throw on enough software (or just the right software) the OS can become unstable. You really have to keep after Repairing Permissions after major application installations to keep it happy. Techtools Pro, Diskwarrior are *musts* in a production environment. And I've found Macfixit Forums a good place to find troubleshooting advice. I could probably write a small book about the gotchas in moving over to X in pro environment.
I just kind of sick of hearing from people how OS X doesn't have all these great features from 9. I'll take the power of X any day over the "toyness" of 9. I'm sure most computer savy folks will agree. Its those who know little about computers that do most of the complaining.
im sick of hearing people like yourself put off criticisms and missing features by saying its simply better or it has this cool whiz bang feature that os 9 doesnt have.
no one is arguing OS X is not more advanced. people are arguing that OS 9 still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of mac users and why many people dont like the mac in the first place
no one is arguing OS X is not more advanced. people are arguing that OS 9 still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of mac users and why many people dont like the mac in the first place.
no one is arguing OS 9 is not more advanced. people are arguing that OS X still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of mac users and why many people dont like the mac in the first place.
no one is arguing Linux is not more advanced. people are arguing that WinXP still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of Linux users and why many people dont like Linux in the first place.
no one is arguing WinXP is not more advanced. people are arguing that Linux still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of WinXP users and why many people dont like Windows in the first place.
no one is arguing XBOX is not more advanced. people are arguing that PS2 still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of XBOX users and why many people dont like XBOX in the first place.
no one is arguing PS2 is not more advanced. people are arguing that GameCube still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of PS2 users and why many people dont like PS2 in the first place.
I love the Internet... I can go to various forums and hear similar things... (Not making fun of you applenut, it was just a conveniently worded snippet for my point...)
no one is arguing OS X is not more advanced. people are arguing that OS 9 still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of mac users and why many people dont like the mac in the first place.
You're obviously an OS 9 user! No OS X user could be this civil! Let's get him guys!
One time I turned translucent menus and system-wide anti-aliasing off in OS 10.1.0. It took about 2 hours for me to crash the machine (some programs in those days seemed to rely on Anti-aliasing), but in the meantime I couldn't tell the difference between that and OS 9 as far as snappiness.
oh my, I smell an off-topic rant coming up..
I use 10.3.4 now, and I really wish there was a way to turn those features off without using some 3rd party tool or hacking in to some stupid plist. It's just not there. AA and translucent ANYTHING is totally unnecessary in my book, especially with apple not providing the ATI X800 in its new machines (woops sorry for the off-topic jab).
Yes, it does make a HUGE difference, and yes, I think Apple slowed the OS down, and didn't make it optional on purpose (they make their money on hardware, boys and girls).
They can do whatever they feel like doing and I won't hold it against them, in fact, I just bought a new DP2.5 G5. I just don't want people to have any illusions about apple's simulated perfection on a $3,000 plate. Nor do I want anyone to think that they're in some special club by owning a mac where you can't complain about anything without being a moron. Anyone can buy these machines, and so everyone's opinion matters, especially when it concerns something that EVERYONE is effected by (like snappiness and maturity of the available apps).
Geneva 9, no AA for my desktop, and no sacrifices for prettiness and pretentiousness. Even Microsoft allows for such options, what does that say about Apple?
Most issues people have with OS X can easily be addressed. Some examples:
-"128 pixel icons are too big." So make them smaller. I find those giant icons handy when viewing a folder of images in icon view, however.
-The icons "jumping out of the dock" can be turned off.
Other issues are pure misconceptions:
-The candy-like GUI does not "eat up processor cycles." It's called Quartz Extreme, and it uses the graphics card to render graphics.
-There "aren't any hidden files or folders in OS 9." Bullsh1t! You ever hear of DS_Store? Ever try to place a period in front of a file or folder name?
Other issues are just plain stupid:
-"Can I turn passwords off?" That must be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Can you say virus? They infect Windows machines usually because Windows does not require passwords for administrative functions such as installing or updating software. The password is your computer's primary defensive strategy. Embrace it!
-"Networking sucks in OS X." Uh, ok. First off, have fun networking your OS 9 box with Windows or UNIX servers. Oh, and remember last time a file server closed down before you ejected it in OS 9? Let me guess, you reached under your desk and did a force reboot. Really what you mean is that you miss the Chooser. Why would anyone miss the Chooser. It didn't make any sense. Printers, Servers, and PDF distillers all in the same place? Ok.
The bottom line is that most people stuck on 9 are either working in a department without any money, afraid of change in their old age, or just really misinformed about the benefits and customization options in OS X.
OS 9 sucks. Any operating system that makes Windows look stable really sucks. And any operating system that makes the user configure RAM allocation manually sucks so bad it's not even worth discussing any further.
(Oh, and Progmac, all Adobe files in OS X do save print settings, but you know you should be using printer presets anyway, right?)
The bottom line is that most people stuck on 9 are either working in a department without any money, afraid of change in their old age, or just really misinformed about the benefits and customization options in OS X.
OS 9 sucks. Any operating system that makes Windows look stable really sucks. And any operating system that makes the user configure RAM allocation manually sucks so bad it's not even worth discussing any further.
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I agree with much that you say, but I would not hire you as my accountant. Let me say that the Mac is a computer, not a religion. I use Macs because they are the best tools for my job. I am not a switcher. Having used mainframes, TRS-80s, HP-85s, and such, I bought the first computer of my own in 1989. I have been through System 6, System 7, MacOS 8, MacOS 9, and MacOS X 10. When the job calls for it, I use Windows. But, I am fortunate in that I can do most of my work on the Mac. I use both MacOS 9 (at work) and MacOS X 10 (at home). If I had my druthers, I druther use MacOS X 10 everywhere.
That said, the fact is that I don't use operating systems, I use the applications and peripherals supported by them. Unlike some kid in a p;ssing contest, I have to make a living. Everything thing that I need to do in MacOS X 10, I can also do in MacOS 9. However, everything that I can do in MacOS 9, I cannot do in MacOS X 10. That is why I use MacOS 9.
MacOS X 10 may be the best personal OS, but IMHO MacOS 9 is second-best. MacOS 9 most definitely does not suck. When I use it, I use it gladly.
-The candy-like GUI does not "eat up processor cycles." It's called Quartz Extreme, and it uses the graphics card to render graphics.
-There "aren't any hidden files or folders in OS 9." Bullsh1t! You ever hear of DS_Store? Ever try to place a period in front of a file or folder name?
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-"Can I turn passwords off?" That must be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Can you say virus? They infect Windows machines usually because Windows does not require passwords for administrative functions such as installing or updating software. The password is your computer's primary defensive strategy. Embrace it!
Any time the GPU is being used, the CPU is also being used to a large extent. Those eye-candy things take up plenty of processing power, especially with the gaming boards that Apple includes. Since they're running their OS through the damn GPU, perhaps they should offer a GPU option with the proper OpenGL full-API support, unlike the GeForce series and ANYTHING ATI. Macs get crappy FPS anyway in games (due to drivers IMO), might as well switch to a non-gaming card.
By 'hidden files', people are referring to this crap right here (yeah, some of that is for OS 9 but the rest is essential to the functionality of OS X):
Code:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6160 8 Jun 2001 .DS_Store
d-wx-wx-wt 2 root admin 68 20 Jun 14:51 .Trashes
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 156 12 Sep 2003 .hidden
-rw------- 1 root admin 65536 20 Jun 15:03 .hotfiles.btree
dr--r--r-- 2 root wheel 192 26 Jun 11:21 .vol
-rw-r--r-- 1 root admin 32256 24 Jun 22:56 Desktop DB
-rw-r--r-- 1 root admin 243458 24 Jun 22:55 Desktop DF
drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 512 27 Jun 09:12 Network
drwxrwxrwt 6 root admin 204 26 Jun 11:21 Volumes
drwxr-xr-x 4 root admin 136 20 Jun 15:03 automount
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 20 Jun 14:58 var -> private/var
I liked how OS 9 kept itself to a single directory, but I like UNIX better . It's a valid complaint for those who never wanted to see anything UNIX (like how I used to be).
Wanting to turn passwords off is a FINE complaint to make. If you don't want the security, why the hell should you be forced to deal with it on a daily basis? What if it's a standalone computer? should they have to enter their password for every little install (even when the installer doesn't need it)?
It's all give and take, I think OS 9 had the best file manager of all time, but I use OS X because of everything else.
You should not have the option to disable passwords. Sure, some people have standalone computers. Fvck those people. Billions are at stake when we're talking security. Not to mention the safety and stability of the free world. How many of you used passwords in OS 9? Yeah, thought so. If passwords could be disabled, very few home users would bother.
It's like asking BMW to make you a car without keys because it's so inconvenient.
You know what's really inconvenient? Fvcking moron Windows users without passwords who are responsible for spreading over 60% of spam who sit around wondering why their computer isn't as fast as it used to be.
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I started on OS1, and up to OS9 it was easy to learn and fix problems. As long as you kept control of your extensions you could limit the crashes. Some things like the Chooser have always been a pain in the ass. Whoever wrote that should be forced to use winXP "pro" for a week as punishment. OSX was a challenge, but I learned it. Was it needed? No. Is it the Mac OS from now on? Yes. Can I use it? Yes.
Expose is cool. Windowshades are cool. The docks sucks. It reminds me of windows. At least X gives me the option to ignore the dock, and by hacking X I can have most of 9's goodies back too. Yes, I learned how to abuse the CLI in X.
My dad is using OSX on his G5. He says he never really understood the way OS9 worked, and he is happy with X. My mom is using both equally. She is happy to forget that the Chooser ever existed.
It is easy to switch winblows users to OSX, because they haven't had an easy to use OS since win98SE. Anyone stuck on ME or XP would be in heaven on X. Winblows users badmouthing OS9 haven't got a clue. It's like saying you prefer MS-DOS v1 to win 95.
Linux users switching I can understand, because 90% of the crap in Linux is in OSX also. I had to learn Linux at work for evaluation purposes (to see if it could replace the win boxes). If you can understand half the stuff in Linux you are close to being an expert in X. To be able to install new hardware without tearing your hair out looking for some bizzare command (like in Linux) is a pleasure.
Originally posted by guest
[B]I use OS9 at work, and OSX at home. My company has a massive investment in OS9 software. There isn't any money to upgrade them to OSX versions. Some of the software will never be upgraded for X. That's no big deal, because currently, OSX is NOT STABLE enough to work in a production environment. I can't run 2 programs on my home Macs at the same time on OSX.3.4 without getting a crash at least once per night (both have 768 MB RAM). OS9 at work hard crashes less than once per month. If I can't trust my home machines to run without crashing, how can I trust OSX at work? Hopefully X.4 will solve the stability problems.
No, it won't, because something is simply *NOT RIGHT* with your OS X installations. Period. My uptimes are measured in *months*, not hours, as are most people's.
I would check your RAM, first off, as well as full disk checks (catalog and permissions).
OS X is more stable than OS 9 for equally and properly configured systems, period. If you're seeing otherwise, *something is wrong*.
Originally posted by guest
I use OS9 at work, and OSX at home. My company has a massive investment in OS9 software. There isn't any money to upgrade them to OSX versions. Some of the software will never be upgraded for X. That's no big deal, because currently, OSX is NOT STABLE enough to work in a production environment....
Sorry, but you will never convince anyone that OS 9 is more stable than OS X! OS 9 may have its advantages over X, but stability is not one of them. Pointing out that a) some software packages are only available/or are more mature & stable under OS 9 does not mean that the operating system itself is more stable. These are two completely different things.
As Kickaha mentioned, there is something wrong with your set-up.
guest, wander on over to Genius Bar with some details, and we'll see what we can do.
I have noticed that once you throw on enough software (or just the right software) the OS can become unstable. You really have to keep after Repairing Permissions after major application installations to keep it happy. Techtools Pro, Diskwarrior are *musts* in a production environment. And I've found Macfixit Forums a good place to find troubleshooting advice. I could probably write a small book about the gotchas in moving over to X in pro environment.
C.
Originally posted by Mr Beardsley
I just kind of sick of hearing from people how OS X doesn't have all these great features from 9. I'll take the power of X any day over the "toyness" of 9. I'm sure most computer savy folks will agree. Its those who know little about computers that do most of the complaining.
im sick of hearing people like yourself put off criticisms and missing features by saying its simply better or it has this cool whiz bang feature that os 9 doesnt have.
no one is arguing OS X is not more advanced. people are arguing that OS 9 still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of mac users and why many people dont like the mac in the first place
no one is arguing OS 9 is not more advanced. people are arguing that OS X still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of mac users and why many people dont like the mac in the first place.
no one is arguing Linux is not more advanced. people are arguing that WinXP still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of Linux users and why many people dont like Linux in the first place.
no one is arguing WinXP is not more advanced. people are arguing that Linux still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of WinXP users and why many people dont like Windows in the first place.
no one is arguing XBOX is not more advanced. people are arguing that PS2 still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of XBOX users and why many people dont like XBOX in the first place.
no one is arguing PS2 is not more advanced. people are arguing that GameCube still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of PS2 users and why many people dont like PS2 in the first place.
I love the Internet... I can go to various forums and hear similar things...
Originally posted by johnq
no one is arguing OS X is not more advanced. people are arguing that OS 9 still has some strongpoints and advantages in areas. why is that so hard for you to handle and discuss with an open mind. your attitude is what is wrong with a lot of mac users and why many people dont like the mac in the first place.
You're obviously an OS 9 user! No OS X user could be this civil! Let's get him guys!
One time I turned translucent menus and system-wide anti-aliasing off in OS 10.1.0. It took about 2 hours for me to crash the machine (some programs in those days seemed to rely on Anti-aliasing), but in the meantime I couldn't tell the difference between that and OS 9 as far as snappiness.
oh my, I smell an off-topic rant coming up..
I use 10.3.4 now, and I really wish there was a way to turn those features off without using some 3rd party tool or hacking in to some stupid plist. It's just not there. AA and translucent ANYTHING is totally unnecessary in my book, especially with apple not providing the ATI X800 in its new machines (woops sorry for the off-topic jab).
Yes, it does make a HUGE difference, and yes, I think Apple slowed the OS down, and didn't make it optional on purpose (they make their money on hardware, boys and girls).
They can do whatever they feel like doing and I won't hold it against them, in fact, I just bought a new DP2.5 G5. I just don't want people to have any illusions about apple's simulated perfection on a $3,000 plate. Nor do I want anyone to think that they're in some special club by owning a mac where you can't complain about anything without being a moron. Anyone can buy these machines, and so everyone's opinion matters, especially when it concerns something that EVERYONE is effected by (like snappiness and maturity of the available apps).
Geneva 9, no AA for my desktop, and no sacrifices for prettiness and pretentiousness. Even Microsoft allows for such options, what does that say about Apple?
-"128 pixel icons are too big." So make them smaller. I find those giant icons handy when viewing a folder of images in icon view, however.
-The icons "jumping out of the dock" can be turned off.
Other issues are pure misconceptions:
-The candy-like GUI does not "eat up processor cycles." It's called Quartz Extreme, and it uses the graphics card to render graphics.
-There "aren't any hidden files or folders in OS 9." Bullsh1t! You ever hear of DS_Store? Ever try to place a period in front of a file or folder name?
Other issues are just plain stupid:
-"Can I turn passwords off?" That must be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Can you say virus? They infect Windows machines usually because Windows does not require passwords for administrative functions such as installing or updating software. The password is your computer's primary defensive strategy. Embrace it!
-"Networking sucks in OS X." Uh, ok. First off, have fun networking your OS 9 box with Windows or UNIX servers. Oh, and remember last time a file server closed down before you ejected it in OS 9? Let me guess, you reached under your desk and did a force reboot. Really what you mean is that you miss the Chooser. Why would anyone miss the Chooser. It didn't make any sense. Printers, Servers, and PDF distillers all in the same place? Ok.
The bottom line is that most people stuck on 9 are either working in a department without any money, afraid of change in their old age, or just really misinformed about the benefits and customization options in OS X.
OS 9 sucks. Any operating system that makes Windows look stable really sucks. And any operating system that makes the user configure RAM allocation manually sucks so bad it's not even worth discussing any further.
(Oh, and Progmac, all Adobe files in OS X do save print settings, but you know you should be using printer presets anyway, right?)
Originally posted by Michael Wilkie
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The bottom line is that most people stuck on 9 are either working in a department without any money, afraid of change in their old age, or just really misinformed about the benefits and customization options in OS X.
OS 9 sucks. Any operating system that makes Windows look stable really sucks. And any operating system that makes the user configure RAM allocation manually sucks so bad it's not even worth discussing any further.
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I agree with much that you say, but I would not hire you as my accountant. Let me say that the Mac is a computer, not a religion. I use Macs because they are the best tools for my job. I am not a switcher. Having used mainframes, TRS-80s, HP-85s, and such, I bought the first computer of my own in 1989. I have been through System 6, System 7, MacOS 8, MacOS 9, and MacOS X 10. When the job calls for it, I use Windows. But, I am fortunate in that I can do most of my work on the Mac. I use both MacOS 9 (at work) and MacOS X 10 (at home). If I had my druthers, I druther use MacOS X 10 everywhere.
That said, the fact is that I don't use operating systems, I use the applications and peripherals supported by them. Unlike some kid in a p;ssing contest, I have to make a living. Everything thing that I need to do in MacOS X 10, I can also do in MacOS 9. However, everything that I can do in MacOS 9, I cannot do in MacOS X 10. That is why I use MacOS 9.
MacOS X 10 may be the best personal OS, but IMHO MacOS 9 is second-best. MacOS 9 most definitely does not suck. When I use it, I use it gladly.
Originally posted by Michael Wilkie
-The candy-like GUI does not "eat up processor cycles." It's called Quartz Extreme, and it uses the graphics card to render graphics.
-There "aren't any hidden files or folders in OS 9." Bullsh1t! You ever hear of DS_Store? Ever try to place a period in front of a file or folder name?
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-"Can I turn passwords off?" That must be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Can you say virus? They infect Windows machines usually because Windows does not require passwords for administrative functions such as installing or updating software. The password is your computer's primary defensive strategy. Embrace it!
Any time the GPU is being used, the CPU is also being used to a large extent. Those eye-candy things take up plenty of processing power, especially with the gaming boards that Apple includes. Since they're running their OS through the damn GPU, perhaps they should offer a GPU option with the proper OpenGL full-API support, unlike the GeForce series and ANYTHING ATI. Macs get crappy FPS anyway in games (due to drivers IMO), might as well switch to a non-gaming card.
By 'hidden files', people are referring to this crap right here (yeah, some of that is for OS 9 but the rest is essential to the functionality of OS X):
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6160 8 Jun 2001 .DS_Store
d-wx-wx-wt 2 root admin 68 20 Jun 14:51 .Trashes
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 156 12 Sep 2003 .hidden
-rw------- 1 root admin 65536 20 Jun 15:03 .hotfiles.btree
dr--r--r-- 2 root wheel 192 26 Jun 11:21 .vol
-rw-r--r-- 1 root admin 32256 24 Jun 22:56 Desktop DB
-rw-r--r-- 1 root admin 243458 24 Jun 22:55 Desktop DF
drwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 512 27 Jun 09:12 Network
drwxrwxrwt 6 root admin 204 26 Jun 11:21 Volumes
drwxr-xr-x 4 root admin 136 20 Jun 15:03 automount
drwxr-xr-x 35 root wheel 1190 20 Jun 15:34 bin
drwxrwxr-t 2 root admin 68 12 Sep 2003 cores
dr-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 26 Jun 11:21 dev
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 20 Jun 14:58 etc -> private/etc
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 9 26 Jun 11:21 mach -> /mach.sym
-r--r--r-- 1 root admin 569532 26 Jun 11:21 mach.sym
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3858620 12 May 16:58 mach_kernel
drwxr-xr-x 5 root wheel 170 26 Jun 11:21 private
drwxr-xr-x 61 root wheel 2074 20 Jun 20:25 sbin
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 20 Jun 14:58 tmp -> private/tmp
drwxr-xr-x 11 root wheel 374 21 Jun 12:42 usr
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 11 20 Jun 14:58 var -> private/var
I liked how OS 9 kept itself to a single directory, but I like UNIX better
Wanting to turn passwords off is a FINE complaint to make. If you don't want the security, why the hell should you be forced to deal with it on a daily basis? What if it's a standalone computer? should they have to enter their password for every little install (even when the installer doesn't need it)?
It's all give and take, I think OS 9 had the best file manager of all time, but I use OS X because of everything else.
It's like asking BMW to make you a car without keys because it's so inconvenient.
You know what's really inconvenient? Fvcking moron Windows users without passwords who are responsible for spreading over 60% of spam who sit around wondering why their computer isn't as fast as it used to be.