Is GWB headed for the Hague?

naplesxnaplesx
Posted:
in General Discussion edited January 2014
" Just tell me when we'll see the entire Bush administration in the dock at the Hague, alongside Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic. That is where they belong"



I have heard this statement to varying degrees by a small group of people here, one too many times. I think that a side by side comparison will easily put to rest this kind of perfidious reasoning





Deaths attributed to:



Saddam Hussein - 250K-600K (executions) 500K (Iraqi war casualties)

http://www.gbn.org/ArticleDisplaySer...=2400&msp=1242

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/19675.htm

http://www.worldhistory.com/hussein.htm



Slobodan Milosevic - 11K-200K (executions) 25K-280K (Serbian War Casualties)

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9908/02/yugo.01/

http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/we....Rqng_Da6.html

http://www.radstats.org.uk/no069/article3.htm



George Bush - 0 (executions) 955 (US war casualties)

http://icasualties.org/oif/

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/ira...es/casualties/





Policy of executing civilians by direct order:



Saddam Hussein - YES

Slobodan Milosevic - YES

George Bush - NO





Policy of Ethnic or Religious cleansing:



Saddam Hussein - YES

Slobodan Milosevic - YES

George Bush - NO





I don't see any sort of parallel between the three. Even if you just consider the treatment and lifestyle of the populaces in their care, it isn't even a remotely close comparison.



I don't want to start a flamewar here, I just would like to hear some kind of reasonable explanation for the equivocations so freely made.
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  • Reply 1 of 152
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    Wouldn't this best be addressed to the people who have said it?



    What you are doing is creating a defense against an argument that, for our purposes, does not exist. It is a troll.
  • Reply 2 of 152
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by groverat

    Wouldn't this best be addressed to the people who have said it?



    What you are doing is creating a defense against an argument that, for our purposes, does not exist. It is a troll.



    Well said.
  • Reply 3 of 152
    talksense101talksense101 Posts: 1,738member
    But, but, it is so juicy.
  • Reply 4 of 152
    sammi josammi jo Posts: 4,634member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by NaplesX

    [B]" Just tell me when we'll see the entire Bush administration in the dock at the Hague,

    George Bush - 0 (executions) 955 (US war casualties)



    Look up that link and you'll find it's the total number of Coalition troops who have been killed by the Iraqi army during the invasion itself and the subsequent insurgency. You're quoting a statistic there that inapplicable to the argument.



    However, the bombing of both Iraq and Afghanistan has resulted in thousands of civilian casualties: at least 3800 were killed by US bombs in Afghanistan in the first 2 months of that war alone, October-December 2001.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1740538.stm

    Undoubtedly the current figure is far higher.

    The Iraq civilian casualty count is between 9000 and 11000.

    http://www.iraqbodycount.net



    I am not saying that all of these collateral deaths were the result of war crimes by military units commanded by GWB. But in amongst those statistics are an undetermined number which have resulted from war crimes: for example, the bombing/destruction of non-military infrastructure essential to the welfare and safety of a nation's civilian population" for example water purification plants, sewage treatment plants, power stations serving residential areas, etc etc. Many facilities of zero military significance were targeted and destroyed, for no apparent reason but to provide a reason for Halliburton etc to bilk more taxpayer funds for "reconstruction".



    btw...you don't need to kill hundreds of thousands to be charged with a war crime....
  • Reply 5 of 152
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    This will be a productive thread with real legs!
  • Reply 6 of 152
    pierr_alexpierr_alex Posts: 101member
    A clearer picture...



    Deaths attributed to:



    Slobodan Milosevic - 11K-200K (executions) 25K-280K (Serbian War Casualties)



    Saddam Hussein - 250K-600K (executions) 500K (Iraqi war casualties)



    George Bush - 0 (executions) 955 (US war casualties) 10000 (Iraq civilian casualty) - ????? (Iraq Military casualty -> Nobody knows but that must be a huge number)



    Policy of executing civilians by direct order:



    Saddam Hussein - YES

    Slobodan Milosevic - YES

    George Bush - NO



    Policy of Ethnic or Religious cleansing:



    Saddam Hussein - YES

    Slobodan Milosevic - YES

    George Bush - NO



    Policy of torture:



    Saddam Hussein - YES

    Slobodan Milosevic - YES

    George Bush - YES



    Policy of lying to its own people, the UN and to the world:



    Saddam Hussein - YES

    Slobodan Milosevic - YES

    George Bush - YES (1-The WMD and 2-The 9|11 / Irak connection)
  • Reply 7 of 152
    pbg4 dudepbg4 dude Posts: 1,611member
    What about the revelations that Rumsfeld had a prisoner kept "off the books" so not even the Red Cross knew of there existance? This is in direct violation of international law and military rules. I'm surprised I haven't seen a thread on this yet.
  • Reply 8 of 152
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    hehe, murdaquota...



    hey G, what's Ya murdaquota today...?
  • Reply 9 of 152
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Just because his crimes aren't as bad as the two people you've choosen to compare him to doesn't mean he shouldn't be on trial. If he broke international law he should be in The Hague.
  • Reply 10 of 152
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    When is Kofi Annan going to tried at the Hague for his part of corrupting the relief effort in Iraq and helping to fund an anti-Semitic dictator?
  • Reply 11 of 152
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    When is Kofi Annan going to tried at the Hague for his part of corrupting the relief effort in Iraq and helping to fund an anti-Semitic dictator?



    When did kofi annan break international law?
  • Reply 12 of 152
    existenceexistence Posts: 991member
    NaplesX's moral lesson of the day:



    People's lives aren't important unless they are American.
  • Reply 13 of 152
    naplesxnaplesx Posts: 3,743member
    You know what, I forgot to include the "annexation" of Kuwait!



    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=31896





    \t? \t A total of 1,082 Kuwaiti civilians were killed.

    \t? \t Abused the flag of truce by pretending to surrender and then firing on U.S. Marines.

    \t? \t Executed and likely tortured U.S. prisoners of war.

    \t? \t Disguised themselves as civilians, then fired on U.S. troops.

    \t? \t Some 120 babies "were left to die after being removed from incubators that were taken to Iraq."

    \t? \t More than 150 children between the ages of one and 13 were killed "for various reasons."

    \t? \t Fifty-seven mentally ill individuals were killed "simply because of their handicap."



    ? \t Abused the flag of truce by pretending to surrender and then firing on U.S. Marines.

    \t? \t Executed and likely tortured U.S. prisoners of war.

    \t? \t Disguised themselves as civilians, then fired on U.S. troops.



    Just some highlights.



    I would like to hear anything that even comes close.
  • Reply 14 of 152
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by bunge

    Just because his crimes aren't as bad as the two people you've choosen to compare him to doesn't mean he shouldn't be on trial. If he broke international law he should be in The Hague.



    Best counterpoint to the thread starter's premise.
  • Reply 15 of 152
    naplesxnaplesx Posts: 3,743member
    Name one international law that he (GWB) broke.
  • Reply 16 of 152
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by NaplesX

    Name one international law that he (GWB) broke.



    What is the Geneva Convention?





    blingelingeling!
  • Reply 17 of 152
    ericgericg Posts: 135member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by NaplesX

    You know what, I forgot to include the "annexation" of Kuwait!



    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=31896





    \t? \t Some 120 babies "were left to die after being removed from incubators that were taken to Iraq."

    Just some highlights.



    Snipped the rest of the WND shite













    yeah remember that story.. some crying girl was giving testimony about that event.. turned out to be a friggin' HOAX... made up by some PR company.. oh and that girl was related to a Kuwaity ambassador ....





    The fact you're quoting some religious right wing rag speaks volumes about you
  • Reply 18 of 152
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    When is Kofi Annan going to tried at the Hague for his part of corrupting the relief effort in Iraq and helping to fund an anti-Semitic dictator?





    Now THERE'S a serious troll at work... impressive.
  • Reply 19 of 152
    naplesxnaplesx Posts: 3,743member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ericg





    yeah remember that story.. some crying girl was giving testimony about that event.. turned out to be a friggin' HOAX... made up by some PR company.. oh and that girl was related to a Kuwaity ambassador ....





    The fact you're quoting some religious right wing rag speaks volumes about you



    I am sorry. Here is some more links:



    http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world...als030411.html

    http://www.hrw.org/reports/1992/WR92/MEW1.htm#P8_0



    You did not reply to the post overall just one line. These atrocities did take place, despite varying accounts.
  • Reply 20 of 152
    ericgericg Posts: 135member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by NaplesX

    I am sorry. Here is some more links:



    http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world...als030411.html

    http://www.hrw.org/reports/1992/WR92/MEW1.htm#P8_0



    You did not reply to the post overall just one line. These atrocities did take place, despite varying accounts.





    Yes I snipped the rest because I wanted to comment the incubator story... (There was a Dutch documentary about the first Gulf war and they debunked the story)



    The rest of your WMD quote may be true.. I don't know but the incubator story was a blatant lie.
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