yet more praise for Michael Moore..
from places I wouldn?t want praise
THE RED CHINESE COMMUNISTS
F.911 will be the first ever American documentary allowed in by the commies.
Why are the dems tying themselves to this guy?
that strategy is like putting Ted Kennedy in cement boots for a late night drive to the Chappaquiddick
LINK
THE RED CHINESE COMMUNISTS
F.911 will be the first ever American documentary allowed in by the commies.
Why are the dems tying themselves to this guy?
that strategy is like putting Ted Kennedy in cement boots for a late night drive to the Chappaquiddick
LINK
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We never heard the actual answer from the congressman about sending his son, etc to war. It did not fit Moore's worldview. So it hit the cutting room floor.
Anti-Americans all over the world love this film... including the leftist bed-wetters here in the US.
US soldiers have died for a long long time to give Moore the right to trash his own country.
Cute, Michael. Cute.
whos movie was #1 last week again? what did he just call his fanbase?
US soldiers have died for a long long time to give Moore the right to trash his own country.
So a government's faults can be ignored because of the sacrifice of its citizens?
Originally posted by Stoo
So a government's faults can be ignored because of the sacrifice of its citizens?
That would make Hilter a great man. And Osama an even greater.
I've heard that the film is doing well even in rural America and towns near military bases; places you wouldn't expect it to do well in. I don't know if those viewers like the movie, I suspect they just want to have a chance to see a different viewpoint.
Some of the most powerful scenes in the movie were simply things we don't get from the corporate media. The scenes of Iraqis leading a normal life before the war were an example. Scenes of American soldiers talking about killing Iraqis was another group of powerful scenes. I understand that these are not representative of all Iraqis or all soldiers. However, those are other views the corporate media never shows us.
It is interesting that the reactionaries in this forum rarely dispute the film (or other topics) point by point. They so often fall back on tired old complaints that leftists are "anti-American" and they "hate America" or that by exercising First Amendment rights to free speech they are "hurting our troops" and "aiding the enemy".
Since it opened, "Fahrenheit 9/11" has been a hit in both blue and red America, even at theaters close to military bases. Last Saturday, Dale Earnhardt Jr. took his Nascar crew to see it. The film's appeal to working-class Americans, who are the true victims of George Bush's policies, should give pause to its critics, especially the nervous liberals rushing to disassociate themselves from Michael Moore.
There has been much tut-tutting by pundits who complain that the movie, though it has yet to be caught in any major factual errors, uses association and innuendo to create false impressions. Many of these same pundits consider it bad form to make a big fuss about the Bush administration's use of association and innuendo to link the Iraq war to 9/11. Why hold a self-proclaimed polemicist to a higher standard than you hold the president of the United States?
And for all its flaws, "Fahrenheit 9/11" performs an essential service. It would be a better movie if it didn't promote a few unproven conspiracy theories, but those theories aren't the reason why millions of people who aren't die-hard Bush-haters are flocking to see it. These people see the film to learn true stories they should have heard elsewhere, but didn't. Mr. Moore may not be considered respectable, but his film is a hit because the respectable media haven't been doing their job.
For example, audiences are shocked by the now-famous seven minutes, when George Bush knew the nation was under attack but continued reading "My Pet Goat" with a group of children. Nobody had told them that the tales of Mr. Bush's decisiveness and bravery on that day were pure fiction.
Or consider the Bush family's ties to the Saudis. The film suggests that Mr. Bush and his good friend Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the ambassador known to the family as Bandar Bush, have tried to cover up the extent of Saudi involvement in terrorism. This may or may not be true. But what shocks people, I think, is the fact that nobody told them about this side of Mr. Bush's life.
Mr. Bush's carefully constructed persona is that of an all-American regular guy ? not like his suspiciously cosmopolitan opponent, with his patrician air. The news media have cheerfully gone along with the pretense. How many stories have you seen contrasting John Kerry's upper-crusty vacation on Nantucket with Mr. Bush's down-home time at the ranch?
But the reality, revealed by Mr. Moore, is that Mr. Bush has always lived in a bubble of privilege. And his family, far from consisting of regular folks with deep roots in the heartland, is deeply enmeshed, financially and personally, with foreign elites ? with the Saudis in particular.
Mr. Moore's greatest strength is a real empathy with working-class Americans that most journalists lack. Having stripped away Mr. Bush's common-man mask, he uses his film to make the case, in a way statistics never could, that Mr. Bush's policies favor a narrow elite at the expense of less fortunate Americans ? sometimes, indeed, at the cost of their lives.
In a nation where the affluent rarely serve in the military, Mr. Moore follows Marine recruiters as they trawl the malls of depressed communities, where enlistment is the only way for young men and women to escape poverty. He shows corporate executives at a lavish conference on Iraq, nibbling on canapés and exulting over the profit opportunities, then shows the terrible price paid by the soldiers creating those opportunities.
The movie's moral core is a harrowing portrait of a grieving mother who encouraged her children to join the military because it was the only way they could pay for their education, and who lost her son in a war whose justification she no longer understands.
Viewers may come away from Mr. Moore's movie believing some things that probably aren't true. For example, the film talks a lot about Unocal's plans for a pipeline across Afghanistan, which I doubt had much impact on the course of the Afghan war. Someday, when the crisis of American democracy is over, I'll probably find myself berating Mr. Moore, who supported Ralph Nader in 2000, for his simplistic antiglobalization views.
But not now. "Fahrenheit 9/11" is a tendentious, flawed movie, but it tells essential truths about leaders who exploited a national tragedy for political gain, and the ordinary Americans who paid the price._
Originally posted by Scott
Apparently the movie is popular with hezbollah as well. Moore must be proud.
I heard they enjoyed Shrek,too. Dreamworx must be proud.
Originally posted by a_greer
from places I wouldn?t want praise
THE RED CHINESE COMMUNISTS
F.911 will be the first ever American documentary allowed in by the commies.
Why are the dems tying themselves to this guy?
that strategy is like putting Ted Kennedy in cement boots for a late night drive to the Chappaquiddick
LINK
china now-a-days is arguably more capitalist than the US. tell me a few facts about current political or economic trends in china and then i might give your opinion a little credence.
Originally posted by Common Man
I don't think that conservatives are scarred. The left wishes we were. You are the fringe. We are the heart of America.
When is your comedy special on HBO? I'll be sure not to miss it.
Originally posted by Common Man
I don't think that conservatives are scarred. The left wishes we were. You are the fringe. We are the heart of America.
More people voted for Gore then Bush last time.
Nah. You're not conservative, you're radical. There's a big difference. You see the Supreme Court as a bastion of liberality, that's how radical you are.
You are also increasingly seen as being a bit nutty, thank God. Maybe the 'crazies' (as George Bush 1 called the PNAC) have had their time. If you had a sense of history you would realise that your views are extreme, and that extreme views tend to disappear. So run along little boy.
Originally posted by Common Man
What can I say? The Dems are doomed.
Nope! If anything it's Bush that's doomed after all this.
By the way. Are you on your summer vacation?
Originally posted by bunge
Scared conservatives are even more humorous than they are normally. You guys are seriously limited.
It'll get worse.
Originally posted by Common Man
I don't think that conservatives are scarred. The left wishes we were. You are the fringe. We are the heart of America.
Nope! You're the bad valve in the heart of america. Time for surgery.
Originally posted by bunge
Scared conservatives are even more humorous than they are normally. You guys are seriously limited.
us? us? the libs have been out of power and look at them...howard dean, hillary clinton, even apples own al gore screaming at the top of their lungs to the point of voice cracking about how they hate bush?
I get the point that John F-ing Kerry hates bush as if he were the root of all evil, I understand that Moore is a pinko-commi and happens to be verry close to the dems, but what I dont yet understand, is what does your candidate stand for, he harps on bush but never talks about HIS aganda, does he plan to keep bush in a closet, ask him and than do the opppisite?
Originally posted by a_greer
I understand that Moore is a pinko-commi
Comedy gold. Like the 60s never happened.