I think that the most important thing for Apple to do, and this message is a start on it, is to make sure that consumers know that this is REAL technology that is not supported by Apple. This is important so that Apple does not get bad publicity if REAL's solution is broken by a future update of the iPod system software or does not work with a future iPod model. The initial reaction from most consumers would be to blame Apple for this problem even if it is not their product, much like they did for lack of printer drivers when OS X was released.
I am trying to understand the DRM REAL is adding to these songs through this Harmony technology.
Is this the DRM iTMS uses (Apple's Fairplay / share up to 5 computers, unlimited burns, etc.)?
Or is this some type of new DRM that is even more limited? And if REAL does license this technology to the other online music stores, will the songs then be controlled by those store's DRM?
While I am all for making the iPod more open to other formats, I don't want it to become a total mess. Tons of different DRM all conflicting with eachother would be a pain.
Real will disable your purchased music if you don't fork over your monthly fee. As a consumer I would rather choose a lower bit rate over a lifetime of locked in music.
You're confusing Real Rhapsody (the streaming service) with Real Music Store. Real's Music Store is very similar to Apple's.
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On another note, (pun intended) If apple significantly changed the DRM away from the consumer's "owning" of the music to a consumer "licenses" the music, then I predict Apple will face a significant Class action lawsuit and perhaps a deceptive trade practice action.
The iTMS Terms of Service allows Apple to change the usage rules at any time.
"What the DMCA was meant to protect wasn't this," said Ken Dort, an intellectual-property attorney with Gordon & Glickson in Chicago. "In fact what (RealNetworks) has done is what people do all the time. They buy the latest, greatest widget of a competitor and take it apart."
I am trying to understand the DRM REAL is adding to these songs through this Harmony technology.
Is this the DRM iTMS uses (Apple's Fairplay / share up to 5 computers, unlimited burns, etc.)?
Or is this some type of new DRM that is even more limited? And if REAL does license this technology to the other online music stores, will the songs then be controlled by those store's DRM?
When the AAC is taken from the the .rax file and placed in an .m4p file, it can only be played through the iPod. Real inserts the FairPlay-like DRM into the file and then uploads the key to the iPod.
When you try to play the file in iTunes it asks you to authorize the computer. Since the key is provided by Real and not the iTunes Music Store, the authorization cannot be completed. Because of this, the usage rights really don't apply.
Hymn works since it bypasses iTunes and just grabs the keys off the iPod to remove the DRM. I've successfully removed the DRM from the RealMS converted .m4p files that were loaded onto a 3G iPod. No such luck with files loaded onto a 2G iPod.
When the AAC is taken from the the .rax file and placed in an .m4p file, it can only be played through the iPod. Real inserts the FairPlay-like DRM into the file and then uploads the key to the iPod.
When you try to play the file in iTunes it asks you to authorize the computer. Since the key is provided by Real and not the iTunes Music Store, the authorization cannot be completed. Because of this, the usage rights really don't apply.
Hymn works since it bypasses iTunes and just grabs the keys off the iPod to remove the DRM. I've successfully removed the DRM from the RealMS converted .m4p files that were loaded onto a 3G iPod. No such luck with files loaded onto a 2G iPod.
Hmmm, now if Real is "removing" the DRM by using apple's ipod software key
isn't that a violation of the copyright protection act?
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Is this the DRM iTMS uses (Apple's Fairplay / share up to 5 computers, unlimited burns, etc.)?
Or is this some type of new DRM that is even more limited? And if REAL does license this technology to the other online music stores, will the songs then be controlled by those store's DRM?
While I am all for making the iPod more open to other formats, I don't want it to become a total mess. Tons of different DRM all conflicting with eachother would be a pain.
Mike
Originally posted by TednDi
Real will disable your purchased music if you don't fork over your monthly fee. As a consumer I would rather choose a lower bit rate over a lifetime of locked in music.
You're confusing Real Rhapsody (the streaming service) with Real Music Store. Real's Music Store is very similar to Apple's.
On another note, (pun intended) If apple significantly changed the DRM away from the consumer's "owning" of the music to a consumer "licenses" the music, then I predict Apple will face a significant Class action lawsuit and perhaps a deceptive trade practice action.
The iTMS Terms of Service allows Apple to change the usage rules at any time.
Is Real's iPod "hacking" legal?
"What the DMCA was meant to protect wasn't this," said Ken Dort, an intellectual-property attorney with Gordon & Glickson in Chicago. "In fact what (RealNetworks) has done is what people do all the time. They buy the latest, greatest widget of a competitor and take it apart."
Originally posted by MPMoriarty
I am trying to understand the DRM REAL is adding to these songs through this Harmony technology.
Is this the DRM iTMS uses (Apple's Fairplay / share up to 5 computers, unlimited burns, etc.)?
Or is this some type of new DRM that is even more limited? And if REAL does license this technology to the other online music stores, will the songs then be controlled by those store's DRM?
When the AAC is taken from the the .rax file and placed in an .m4p file, it can only be played through the iPod. Real inserts the FairPlay-like DRM into the file and then uploads the key to the iPod.
When you try to play the file in iTunes it asks you to authorize the computer. Since the key is provided by Real and not the iTunes Music Store, the authorization cannot be completed. Because of this, the usage rights really don't apply.
Hymn works since it bypasses iTunes and just grabs the keys off the iPod to remove the DRM. I've successfully removed the DRM from the RealMS converted .m4p files that were loaded onto a 3G iPod. No such luck with files loaded onto a 2G iPod.
Originally posted by Eugene
When the AAC is taken from the the .rax file and placed in an .m4p file, it can only be played through the iPod. Real inserts the FairPlay-like DRM into the file and then uploads the key to the iPod.
When you try to play the file in iTunes it asks you to authorize the computer. Since the key is provided by Real and not the iTunes Music Store, the authorization cannot be completed. Because of this, the usage rights really don't apply.
Hymn works since it bypasses iTunes and just grabs the keys off the iPod to remove the DRM. I've successfully removed the DRM from the RealMS converted .m4p files that were loaded onto a 3G iPod. No such luck with files loaded onto a 2G iPod.
Hmmm, now if Real is "removing" the DRM by using apple's ipod software key
isn't that a violation of the copyright protection act?
ps: thanks for the clarification Welder!