For me, it is also the idea about showing of a brand new iMac to friends. If my iMac is up to 40% more expensive than my friends pc´s, and their hardware is 6-12 month old, you´re damn right I want my hardware to be the fastest.
And with this kind of GPU that TS is telling is, my brand spanking iMac won´t be the fastest.
With my G4 Cube, I show people iLife´04 and how the OS works. It would be cool to own a G5 iMac and show how incredible fast it is.
You people need to shut up about the gpu. The 5200 is a consumer gpu and the imac is a consumer machince. Don't make it what it is not by adding a pro card. The 5200 will do the job as a consumer gpu.
I'm glad you're so sure what I need in a computer. There is no way I will buy a G5 that has a lesser GPU than my almost 1 year old PowerBook G4. I'm not playing the "I got a better CPU but a suckier GPU" game.
If TS is correct, I hope Apple sees this thread and reconsiders. If these specs are what will be in next month's iMac, the iMacs just won't sell.
For the record my only real complaint is the lack of a DVD Burner in the 17" model. I can see cutting the memory down or the GPU down but please don't do the hat trick and cut the memory, GPU and Optical drive down. I mean isn't this supposed to be a digital hub computer?
Re: The 5200 FX
Hey it's not sexy but it works with Motion and Core Image so I'm not complaining too much on this one.
Again Apple just in case you might not have heard we need
You people need to shut up about the gpu. The 5200 is a consumer gpu and the imac is a consumer machince. Don't make it what it is not by adding a pro card. The 5200 will do the job as a consumer gpu.
im a consumer. i want a better graphics card. since i can't change it, apple better offer me one that will last. as it is, it is already dated and can't run current games well nevermind next year.
and dont tell me to go spend 2000 on a powermac and 1300 on a cinema display simply because i want a computer that will last and be somewhat modern when i purchase it.
You people need to shut up about the gpu. The 5200 is a consumer gpu and the imac is a consumer machince. Don't make it what it is not by adding a pro card. The 5200 will do the job as a consumer gpu.
The 5200 never did its job as a consumer GPU, and it never will do its job as a consumer GPU. It is terrible and by all measures not a proper card for a computer costing more than $499.
My honest opinion is that the iMac should have no less than a Radeon 9800 Pro, but this is Apple, we know that it's not going to happen. A proper card would be more like a Radeon 9600 XT, or nVidia GeForce FX 5700.
Sources would not confirm specific pricing, but did acknowledge that MSRP will probably fall in the same range as current iMac models -- between US$1,300 and $2,200 -- but could venture slightly higher.
That's just really vague. I'm hopeful those are the prices for the entry-level, sandwich iMac and the top-of-the-line machine.
The edu model is certainly NOT Included in this price range. So, things as usual. These are the iMac G4 prices for a G5 machine. I say great. As for the superdrive, you might like to notice that the $1,300 iMac G4 didn't include a superdrive either. The entry-level iMac G5 is actually better than the current entry-level iMac G4 (larger screen).
The edu model will be priced at 1099 or 999 to have a machine priced between the eMac and the entry-level iMac and that's it.
The prices for the other 3 models seem fine. It's understandable if you look at the iMac G4 prices.
The 5200 never did its job as a consumer GPU, and it never will do its job as a consumer GPU. It is terrible and by all measures not a proper card for a computer costing more than $499.
Exactly. It's old news and doesn't belong in a modern iMac. Now why would a $999 eMac have a Superdrive but not a $1300 iMac?
and dont tell me to go spend 2000 on a powermac and 1300 on a cinema display simply because i want a computer that will last and be somewhat modern when i purchase it.
well, the $2000 would get you a dual 1.8 G5. how much more modern do you want? plus you get the flexibility to toss the GPU card whenever you feel it's not up to speed. and finally, buy a CRT. they're friggin' dirt cheap these days.
but you are right in that apple doesn't seem to see the need for a low-cost gaming machine, instead leaving that market up to the DIY PC crowd and platformers.
edit: and you know what? i can't say i blame then. hardcore gamers go through graphics cards, new hard drive arrays and processors like toilet paper. just cruise some of the gamerz sites to see that. it's insanity to try to keep up with that demographic, when they're sneering at the mac as it is and will never change their minds.
The 5200 never did its job as a consumer GPU, and it never will do its job as a consumer GPU. It is terrible and by all measures not a proper card for a computer costing more than $499.
I'm sorry but you guys are out of touch with reality. Do less complaining about Apple's specs and more study on what the PC world is shipping. $1300 don't come with ATI 9800 cards. Wake up people!
I'm beginning to change my thoughts here. The 17" iMac is more competitive than I orginally thought. Sure it's missing RAM but that can be upgraded. The Superdrive missing is a bummer but that's not a showstopper either. The graphics card is light on RAM but it is the same core chipset being sold in PCs at $1k and above.
You all have been suckered by Matsu and others of the $999 Klan. Most of us have been telling you to reign in your day dreams to no avail. The iMac G5 will sell especially if it is in a handsome shape.
well, the $2000 would get you a dual 1.8 G5. how much more modern do you want? plus you get the flexibility to toss the GPU card whenever you feel it's not up to speed. and finally, buy a CRT. they're friggin' dirt cheap these days.
but you are right in that apple doesn't seem to see the need for a low-cost gaming machine, instead leaving that market up to the DIY PC crowd and platformers.
edit: and you know what? i can't say i blame then. hardcore gamers go through graphics cards, new hard drive arrays and processors like toilet paper. just cruise some of the gamerz sites to see that. it's insanity to try to keep up with that demographic, when they're sneering at the mac as it is and will never change their minds.
Mores speculation from everybody's favorite site MOSR:
Quote:
The latest word is in from the grapevine regarding the forthcoming iMac G5. (Cont'd
In terms of other specifications beyond the dual-channel (128-bit) DDR400 memory architecture, there's still plenty of uncertainty to go around.
However, here's a rough averaging out of what the grapevine has to say on the subject:
*1.6, 1.8, and 2.0GHz PowerPC 970 (not 970FX) processors in initial release, all available immediately upon announcement.
*2.2 and 2.5GHz in the first major update early next year, and then later, dual-core PowerPC 970MP models in mid to late 2005.
*17 and 20-inch displays, similar to the new Aluminum Cinemas with a redesigned adjustable display "neck" to match the new main enclosure and metallic display body.
A "Special Edition" 23-inch model is expected to follow next year.
*nVIDIA GeForce FX 5600 and ATi Radeon 9600-class graphics via 8X AGP. 64MB of graphics memory in entry-level model, with 128MB in high-end model.
*Bigger SATA hard drives
*New optical drive design (slot loading?)
*Firewire 800
*Gigabit Ethernet, plus several front-facing ports for easy access ala the PowerMac G5.
*New enhanced internal speakers, and digital surround sound external speaker options thanks to optical digital audio link from PMG5.
The new "Aluminum Era" enclosure of the iMac G5 has yet to be reliably pinned down, and its release date is also murky, but we are zooming in on those questions and hope to bring you more details from sources over the days ahead.
I'm beginning to change my thoughts here. The 17" iMac is more competitive than I orginally thought. Sure it's missing RAM but that can be upgraded. The Superdrive missing is a bummer but that's not a showstopper either. The graphics card is light on RAM but it is the same core chipset being sold in PCs at $1k and above.
You all have been suckered by Matsu and others of the $999 Klan. Most of us have been telling you to reign in your day dreams to no avail. The iMac G5 will sell especially if it is in a handsome shape.
Good points. Realize too that Apple's iMac is supposed to be less powerful than their PowerMacs but in the GPU realm, it just looks bad. When having Safari, Fugu and Dreamweaver open on my PowerBook (GeForce4 MX) the screen draws crawl to a halt. And this is a 1-1/2 year old model! No, that card just will not due in a "new" iMac.
The $999 Klan? That is rich.
But they should be able to do it with an iMac. Just add the LCD as an option.
I'm sorry but you guys are out of touch with reality. Do less complaining about Apple's specs and more study on what the PC world is shipping. $1300 don't come with ATI 9800 cards. Wake up people! ...
Go to the link for the Dell computer you posted. The 5200 you reference is for a 128MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVI Now if the rumored spec's are referring to this same card/specs then I take back some of my objections.
Go to the link for the Dell computer you posted. The 5200 you reference is for a 128MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVI Now if the rumored spec's are referring to this same card/specs then I take back some of my objections.
Yes, people need to understand we are talking about an all-in-one graphics chip here, not a graphics card. An ATI Radeon 9600 is two to three times faster. Jeez, anything but a 5200. Anything. Otherwise I think it sounds okay. The top model likely has Airport and Bluetooth standard and should have a wireless keyboard and mouse as well.
By the way, the TS article first says there are two 17" models and one 20" model then goes on to say there are two 20" models so it is not impossible for some of the specs to be messed up as well. Let's hope they meant 5600 for the graphics and not 5200.
I just got the latest Dell Catalog in the mail. And I looked through all their desktop offerings.
The truth is.... as painful as it is for me to admit, the graphics chip is not the problem. If those specs are accurate, Apple competes amazingly well and if the 17 inch truly is 1299, it'll be a very good deal. it's near impossible to find a desktop with similar specs and also buy a 17 inch Dell LCD for 1299.....In fact, I can't.
The bigger issue i see is processor speed. Apple finally has clockspeed at their use....but are opting for 1.6 and 1.8. if they went for 1.8 and 2 they'd not only be comparable on other specs but also on processor speeds....which would be a first in many years.
Comments
Originally posted by brianru
Look around on bestbuy, almost every computer at the $1300 price range will have the built-in intel shit.
With an AGP slot.
For me, it is also the idea about showing of a brand new iMac to friends. If my iMac is up to 40% more expensive than my friends pc´s, and their hardware is 6-12 month old, you´re damn right I want my hardware to be the fastest.
And with this kind of GPU that TS is telling is, my brand spanking iMac won´t be the fastest.
With my G4 Cube, I show people iLife´04 and how the OS works. It would be cool to own a G5 iMac and show how incredible fast it is.
Just for once.....
Originally posted by quagmire
You people need to shut up about the gpu. The 5200 is a consumer gpu and the imac is a consumer machince. Don't make it what it is not by adding a pro card. The 5200 will do the job as a consumer gpu.
I'm glad you're so sure what I need in a computer. There is no way I will buy a G5 that has a lesser GPU than my almost 1 year old PowerBook G4. I'm not playing the "I got a better CPU but a suckier GPU" game.
If TS is correct, I hope Apple sees this thread and reconsiders. If these specs are what will be in next month's iMac, the iMacs just won't sell.
Re: The 5200 FX
Hey it's not sexy but it works with Motion and Core Image so I'm not complaining too much on this one.
Again Apple just in case you might not have heard we need
Superdrive!
Originally posted by quagmire
You people need to shut up about the gpu. The 5200 is a consumer gpu and the imac is a consumer machince. Don't make it what it is not by adding a pro card. The 5200 will do the job as a consumer gpu.
im a consumer. i want a better graphics card. since i can't change it, apple better offer me one that will last. as it is, it is already dated and can't run current games well nevermind next year.
and dont tell me to go spend 2000 on a powermac and 1300 on a cinema display simply because i want a computer that will last and be somewhat modern when i purchase it.
Originally posted by quagmire
You people need to shut up about the gpu. The 5200 is a consumer gpu and the imac is a consumer machince. Don't make it what it is not by adding a pro card. The 5200 will do the job as a consumer gpu.
The 5200 never did its job as a consumer GPU, and it never will do its job as a consumer GPU. It is terrible and by all measures not a proper card for a computer costing more than $499.
My honest opinion is that the iMac should have no less than a Radeon 9800 Pro, but this is Apple, we know that it's not going to happen. A proper card would be more like a Radeon 9600 XT, or nVidia GeForce FX 5700.
Sources would not confirm specific pricing, but did acknowledge that MSRP will probably fall in the same range as current iMac models -- between US$1,300 and $2,200 -- but could venture slightly higher.
That's just really vague. I'm hopeful those are the prices for the entry-level, sandwich iMac and the top-of-the-line machine.
The edu model is certainly NOT Included in this price range. So, things as usual. These are the iMac G4 prices for a G5 machine. I say great. As for the superdrive, you might like to notice that the $1,300 iMac G4 didn't include a superdrive either. The entry-level iMac G5 is actually better than the current entry-level iMac G4 (larger screen).
The edu model will be priced at 1099 or 999 to have a machine priced between the eMac and the entry-level iMac and that's it.
The prices for the other 3 models seem fine. It's understandable if you look at the iMac G4 prices.
Originally posted by Zapchud
The 5200 never did its job as a consumer GPU, and it never will do its job as a consumer GPU. It is terrible and by all measures not a proper card for a computer costing more than $499.
Exactly. It's old news and doesn't belong in a modern iMac. Now why would a $999 eMac have a Superdrive but not a $1300 iMac?
Originally posted by applenut
and dont tell me to go spend 2000 on a powermac and 1300 on a cinema display simply because i want a computer that will last and be somewhat modern when i purchase it.
well, the $2000 would get you a dual 1.8 G5. how much more modern do you want? plus you get the flexibility to toss the GPU card whenever you feel it's not up to speed. and finally, buy a CRT. they're friggin' dirt cheap these days.
but you are right in that apple doesn't seem to see the need for a low-cost gaming machine, instead leaving that market up to the DIY PC crowd and platformers.
edit: and you know what? i can't say i blame then. hardcore gamers go through graphics cards, new hard drive arrays and processors like toilet paper. just cruise some of the gamerz sites to see that. it's insanity to try to keep up with that demographic, when they're sneering at the mac as it is and will never change their minds.
The 5200 never did its job as a consumer GPU, and it never will do its job as a consumer GPU. It is terrible and by all measures not a proper card for a computer costing more than $499.
Then tell my why Gateway uses the 5200 All the way up to their $1800 710 systems
Or how about Dell using the 5200 on their $1k+ computers
I'm sorry but you guys are out of touch with reality. Do less complaining about Apple's specs and more study on what the PC world is shipping. $1300 don't come with ATI 9800 cards. Wake up people!
I'm beginning to change my thoughts here. The 17" iMac is more competitive than I orginally thought. Sure it's missing RAM but that can be upgraded. The Superdrive missing is a bummer but that's not a showstopper either. The graphics card is light on RAM but it is the same core chipset being sold in PCs at $1k and above.
You all have been suckered by Matsu and others of the $999 Klan. Most of us have been telling you to reign in your day dreams to no avail. The iMac G5 will sell especially if it is in a handsome shape.
Originally posted by rok
well, the $2000 would get you a dual 1.8 G5. how much more modern do you want? plus you get the flexibility to toss the GPU card whenever you feel it's not up to speed. and finally, buy a CRT. they're friggin' dirt cheap these days.
but you are right in that apple doesn't seem to see the need for a low-cost gaming machine, instead leaving that market up to the DIY PC crowd and platformers.
edit: and you know what? i can't say i blame then. hardcore gamers go through graphics cards, new hard drive arrays and processors like toilet paper. just cruise some of the gamerz sites to see that. it's insanity to try to keep up with that demographic, when they're sneering at the mac as it is and will never change their minds.
you going to give me the money?
cuz i sure as hell don't have it.
The latest word is in from the grapevine regarding the forthcoming iMac G5. (Cont'd
In terms of other specifications beyond the dual-channel (128-bit) DDR400 memory architecture, there's still plenty of uncertainty to go around.
However, here's a rough averaging out of what the grapevine has to say on the subject:
*1.6, 1.8, and 2.0GHz PowerPC 970 (not 970FX) processors in initial release, all available immediately upon announcement.
*2.2 and 2.5GHz in the first major update early next year, and then later, dual-core PowerPC 970MP models in mid to late 2005.
*17 and 20-inch displays, similar to the new Aluminum Cinemas with a redesigned adjustable display "neck" to match the new main enclosure and metallic display body.
A "Special Edition" 23-inch model is expected to follow next year.
*nVIDIA GeForce FX 5600 and ATi Radeon 9600-class graphics via 8X AGP. 64MB of graphics memory in entry-level model, with 128MB in high-end model.
*Bigger SATA hard drives
*New optical drive design (slot loading?)
*Firewire 800
*Gigabit Ethernet, plus several front-facing ports for easy access ala the PowerMac G5.
*New enhanced internal speakers, and digital surround sound external speaker options thanks to optical digital audio link from PMG5.
The new "Aluminum Era" enclosure of the iMac G5 has yet to be reliably pinned down, and its release date is also murky, but we are zooming in on those questions and hope to bring you more details from sources over the days ahead.
Originally posted by hmurchison
I'm beginning to change my thoughts here. The 17" iMac is more competitive than I orginally thought. Sure it's missing RAM but that can be upgraded. The Superdrive missing is a bummer but that's not a showstopper either. The graphics card is light on RAM but it is the same core chipset being sold in PCs at $1k and above.
You all have been suckered by Matsu and others of the $999 Klan. Most of us have been telling you to reign in your day dreams to no avail. The iMac G5 will sell especially if it is in a handsome shape.
Good points. Realize too that Apple's iMac is supposed to be less powerful than their PowerMacs but in the GPU realm, it just looks bad. When having Safari, Fugu and Dreamweaver open on my PowerBook (GeForce4 MX) the screen draws crawl to a halt. And this is a 1-1/2 year old model! No, that card just will not due in a "new" iMac.
The $999 Klan?
But they should be able to do it with an iMac. Just add the LCD as an option.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Then tell my why Gateway uses the 5200 All the way up to their $1800 710 systems
Or how about Dell using the 5200 on their $1k+ computers
I'm sorry but you guys are out of touch with reality. Do less complaining about Apple's specs and more study on what the PC world is shipping. $1300 don't come with ATI 9800 cards. Wake up people! ...
Go to the link for the Dell computer you posted. The 5200 you reference is for a 128MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVI Now if the rumored spec's are referring to this same card/specs then I take back some of my objections.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Then tell my why Gateway uses the 5200 All the way up to their $1800 710 systems
Or how about Dell using the 5200 on their $1k+ computers
Because they suck?
Originally posted by applenut
you going to give me the money?
cuz i sure as hell don't have it.
well, um, .... *shuffles uncomfortably and looks for an escape route*
Originally posted by rickag
Go to the link for the Dell computer you posted. The 5200 you reference is for a 128MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVI Now if the rumored spec's are referring to this same card/specs then I take back some of my objections.
Yes, people need to understand we are talking about an all-in-one graphics chip here, not a graphics card. An ATI Radeon 9600 is two to three times faster. Jeez, anything but a 5200. Anything. Otherwise I think it sounds okay. The top model likely has Airport and Bluetooth standard and should have a wireless keyboard and mouse as well.
By the way, the TS article first says there are two 17" models and one 20" model then goes on to say there are two 20" models so it is not impossible for some of the specs to be messed up as well. Let's hope they meant 5600 for the graphics and not 5200.
Originally posted by MacsRGood4U
Mores speculation from everybody's favorite site MOSR:
Never thought I'd be rooting for MOSR...
The truth is.... as painful as it is for me to admit, the graphics chip is not the problem. If those specs are accurate, Apple competes amazingly well and if the 17 inch truly is 1299, it'll be a very good deal. it's near impossible to find a desktop with similar specs and also buy a 17 inch Dell LCD for 1299.....In fact, I can't.
The bigger issue i see is processor speed. Apple finally has clockspeed at their use....but are opting for 1.6 and 1.8. if they went for 1.8 and 2 they'd not only be comparable on other specs but also on processor speeds....which would be a first in many years.
Still hoping for 1299 to include superdrive.