If IBM can fix the heat dissipation issues, the G5 is probably going to go into PowerBooks. Dual-core G4s are still long ways away if they even show up at all. Motorola has been promising dual-core CPU before I was potty-trained.
The G5 is the better technology for laptops since it has a speed throttling feature that would increase battery time. I still don't see why a 1.6GHz 970fx would need an elaborate cooling system. Methinks Apple is going to surprise us very soon and was simply covering IBM on the yield problems.
Heck...even a 1.4GHz 970fx would be a nice upgrade simply for the extended battery life alone.
thank you, im amazed that anyone can think this chip didnt nearly kill off Apple.
It didn't. The fact that there was no equivalent of the 604e nearly killed off Apple. If you're more interested in assigning blame than looking at options, consider that IBM spent that time throwing a hissy fit over AltiVec, because all those instructions would clutter up their pretty little RISC designs. So what were they fielding? G3s! Who was stagnating? At least Moto embraced vector processing, and fielded a design that's best in class! They also beat IBM to mass-produced copper wiring and SOI.
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i disagree with Amorph, moto ineptness left Apple sitting there with no options except to take what moto was giving which was near nothing
How are you disagreeing with me? It's beyond dispute that Apple had no options beside the G4, and I said nothing to the contrary. Is that only Moto's fault, or are you willing to let IBM go free for fielding an even older design with an even more primitive bus at a generally lower clock speed all that time?
All I've been saying is that there have been so many changes for the better at Moto/Freescale that it's worth giving them another shot. There's nothing wrong with the G4 itself, it's just not an all-out performer. But if you need great performance on a budget of 8-20 watts, it's your CPU. Now that Apple has a real desktop CPU they don't have to try and use the G4 for something it's not suited for.
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I hope moto can do something for Apple to make up for years of nothing.
So do I. And I see evidence that they can.
kim kap sol: The G4's been able to adjust its clock speed on the fly since the 7450. Until the most recent 970fx's, it's been able to switch a lot faster than the 970 could, too.
kim kap sol: The G4's been able to adjust its clock speed on the fly since the 7450. Until the most recent 970fx's, it's been able to switch a lot faster than the 970 could, too. [/B]
It does? How come battery life didn't shoot up? Can you provide a link that simply mentions this feature? I google and google but nothing comes up...I say you're wrong.
I had I feeling it wasn't at all what I was talking about.
Nap, Doze and Sleep? "3 programmable modes." This isn't on-the-fly switching like PowerTune which throttles the CPU to different speeds.
This sounds more like modes set and unset by the user...not modes set and unset by the CPU when it realizes it's being under-utilized.
Only one PDF in the first 10 hits talks about Nap, Doze and Sleep...and doesn't offer nearly enough info to compare accurately with the 970fx's PowerTune. In the other links "power management" and "mpc7450" aren't even in the same paragraphs.
Still waiting for a link that has some mention of 7450 speed throttling.
Waiting? Well, I suppose that's a lot easier than research.
What's confusing you is that you assumed from my statement that the capacity to change the clock speed is built into the 7450. It's not. However, when the external device responsible for telling the 7450 how fast to run tells it to run at a different clock speed, it adjusts quickly and efficiently.
That should, at least, clarify what I meant: Not that the 7450 can make the decision to change clock speed all by itself, but that it is capable of changing speed on the fly. It just has to be told to.
Imaginatively titled the MPC7448, this is no doubt what The Register is talking about. No other details than this apart from Freescale's promise of better performance at lower energy cost. Is the first 90nm chips these guys are going to squeeze out?
... I have a lot of hope for this. If this is the CPU that goes into the PowerBooks, PowerBooks will own except for the cases where single-core FPU performance is critical — and then it'll only look bad relative to 14 pound "schleptop" P4s.
btw, is this your very own word invention?
Anyway, you should submit that word to the Smith Dep.
Moto is spinning off SPS — the division we're concerned with — as Freescale, and that appears to be in good hands, and they hired a new CEO, Ed Zander, who has a good rep and who's good friends with Steve, and he's already turned Moto around in the cell phone market, where they were floundering, and made the company profitable again.
Freescale's new CEO is Michel Mayer, who was last with IBM's Microelectronic division. First thing he did when he arrived in Austin was demand a Powerbook instead of a Windows machine.
So the CEO of Freescale uses a Mac, made with Freescale chips.
The Freescale/ST/Philips alliance, in conjunction with the French govt, is now working on 65nm technologies.
Freescale's new CEO is Michel Mayer, who was last with IBM's Microelectronic division. First thing he did when he arrived in Austin was demand a Powerbook instead of a Windows machine.
So the CEO of Freescale uses a Mac, made with Freescale chips.
Hmm, that is a good sign.
It has been a long time but I seem to remember my personal turning point with Motorola was hearing about them replacing all their Apple machines with x86 boxes running MS windows. The problems Apple had with Motorola's chips certainly were certainly more concrete than something as simple as that, but it certainly gave the world the impression that they could care less about how well their chips performed for Apple.
Freescale's new CEO is Michel Mayer, who was last with IBM's Microelectronic division. First thing he did when he arrived in Austin was demand a Powerbook instead of a Windows machine.
To clarify, I meant that Moto had hired a new CEO. The sentence you quoted was admittedly awkward, so I apologize if that wasn't clear.
Thanks for the information on Freescale's new guy. I like him already. And he's made at least one gesture away from that idiot CIO that Chris Galvin hired who took Motorola to Windows on Intel three or four years ago...
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The G5 is the better technology for laptops since it has a speed throttling feature that would increase battery time. I still don't see why a 1.6GHz 970fx would need an elaborate cooling system. Methinks Apple is going to surprise us very soon and was simply covering IBM on the yield problems.
Heck...even a 1.4GHz 970fx would be a nice upgrade simply for the extended battery life alone.
Originally posted by Aurora
thank you, im amazed that anyone can think this chip didnt nearly kill off Apple.
It didn't. The fact that there was no equivalent of the 604e nearly killed off Apple. If you're more interested in assigning blame than looking at options, consider that IBM spent that time throwing a hissy fit over AltiVec, because all those instructions would clutter up their pretty little RISC designs. So what were they fielding? G3s! Who was stagnating? At least Moto embraced vector processing, and fielded a design that's best in class! They also beat IBM to mass-produced copper wiring and SOI.
i disagree with Amorph, moto ineptness left Apple sitting there with no options except to take what moto was giving which was near nothing
How are you disagreeing with me? It's beyond dispute that Apple had no options beside the G4, and I said nothing to the contrary. Is that only Moto's fault, or are you willing to let IBM go free for fielding an even older design with an even more primitive bus at a generally lower clock speed all that time?
All I've been saying is that there have been so many changes for the better at Moto/Freescale that it's worth giving them another shot. There's nothing wrong with the G4 itself, it's just not an all-out performer. But if you need great performance on a budget of 8-20 watts, it's your CPU. Now that Apple has a real desktop CPU they don't have to try and use the G4 for something it's not suited for.
I hope moto can do something for Apple to make up for years of nothing.
So do I. And I see evidence that they can.
kim kap sol: The G4's been able to adjust its clock speed on the fly since the 7450. Until the most recent 970fx's, it's been able to switch a lot faster than the 970 could, too.
Originally posted by Amorph
kim kap sol: The G4's been able to adjust its clock speed on the fly since the 7450. Until the most recent 970fx's, it's been able to switch a lot faster than the 970 could, too. [/B]
It does? How come battery life didn't shoot up? Can you provide a link that simply mentions this feature? I google and google but nothing comes up...I say you're wrong.
Originally posted by Fat Freddy
http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&i...wer+management
I had I feeling it wasn't at all what I was talking about.
Nap, Doze and Sleep? "3 programmable modes." This isn't on-the-fly switching like PowerTune which throttles the CPU to different speeds.
This sounds more like modes set and unset by the user...not modes set and unset by the CPU when it realizes it's being under-utilized.
Only one PDF in the first 10 hits talks about Nap, Doze and Sleep...and doesn't offer nearly enough info to compare accurately with the 970fx's PowerTune. In the other links "power management" and "mpc7450" aren't even in the same paragraphs.
AFAIK, all CPUs can 'sleep'.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Still waiting for a link that has some mention of 7450 speed throttling.
Waiting? Well, I suppose that's a lot easier than research.
What's confusing you is that you assumed from my statement that the capacity to change the clock speed is built into the 7450. It's not. However, when the external device responsible for telling the 7450 how fast to run tells it to run at a different clock speed, it adjusts quickly and efficiently.
So:
PowerBook_G4_15inch/PowerBookG4.pdf" target="_blank">PowerBook G4 Developer Note [PDF]
Page 18.
That should, at least, clarify what I meant: Not that the 7450 can make the decision to change clock speed all by itself, but that it is capable of changing speed on the fly. It just has to be told to.
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/...MP286165424903
Imaginatively titled the MPC7448, this is no doubt what The Register is talking about. No other details than this apart from Freescale's promise of better performance at lower energy cost. Is the first 90nm chips these guys are going to squeeze out?
Obviously, September will give us a better idea.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
This sounds more like modes set and unset by the user...not modes set and unset by the CPU when it realizes it's being under-utilized.
The OS can and does manage the switching.
Originally posted by a j stev
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/...MP286165424903
Imaginatively titled the MPC7448
Nice!
the highest performance at under 10W across the board.
That's sounds really nice. I hope they increase speed too.
Originally posted by Telomar
The OS can and does manage the switching.
Well then it's not very impressive tech. It doesn't seem to affect battery life whatsoever.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Well then it's not very impressive tech. It doesn't seem to affect battery life whatsoever.
Mmm baseless statements
Originally posted by Amorph
... I have a lot of hope for this. If this is the CPU that goes into the PowerBooks, PowerBooks will own except for the cases where single-core FPU performance is critical — and then it'll only look bad relative to 14 pound "schleptop" P4s.
Anyway, you should submit that word to the Smith Dep.
immediately.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Well then it's not very impressive tech. It doesn't seem to affect battery life whatsoever.
Huh? I don't follow your logic here, can you elaborate?
Originally posted by Vox Barbara
Anyway, you should submit that word to the Smith Dep.
immediately.
I wish I could take credit for that, but it came from a review of the ATI Mobile Radeon 9800 at Tom's Hardware Guide.
The only difference is that they hyphenate "schlep-top" and I don't.
Originally posted by Amorph
Moto is spinning off SPS — the division we're concerned with — as Freescale, and that appears to be in good hands, and they hired a new CEO, Ed Zander, who has a good rep and who's good friends with Steve, and he's already turned Moto around in the cell phone market, where they were floundering, and made the company profitable again.
Freescale's new CEO is Michel Mayer, who was last with IBM's Microelectronic division. First thing he did when he arrived in Austin was demand a Powerbook instead of a Windows machine.
So the CEO of Freescale uses a Mac, made with Freescale chips.
The Freescale/ST/Philips alliance, in conjunction with the French govt, is now working on 65nm technologies.
Originally posted by Malthaeus
Freescale's new CEO is Michel Mayer, who was last with IBM's Microelectronic division. First thing he did when he arrived in Austin was demand a Powerbook instead of a Windows machine.
So the CEO of Freescale uses a Mac, made with Freescale chips.
Hmm, that is a good sign.
It has been a long time but I seem to remember my personal turning point with Motorola was hearing about them replacing all their Apple machines with x86 boxes running MS windows. The problems Apple had with Motorola's chips certainly were certainly more concrete than something as simple as that, but it certainly gave the world the impression that they could care less about how well their chips performed for Apple.
Originally posted by Malthaeus
Freescale's new CEO is Michel Mayer, who was last with IBM's Microelectronic division. First thing he did when he arrived in Austin was demand a Powerbook instead of a Windows machine.
To clarify, I meant that Moto had hired a new CEO. The sentence you quoted was admittedly awkward, so I apologize if that wasn't clear.
Thanks for the information on Freescale's new guy. I like him already.