Apple Now Taking FeedBack For PowerMac Line ...
<a href="http://www.apple.com/feedback/powermac.html"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/feedback/powermac.html</a>;
Let em have it boys :-)
Here's a transcript of my feedback ...
"
Hi my name is sammy and i'm from canada ..
Ok well .. i'll tell u straight off ...
Whether or not it's a priviledge to run "OSX" or not ... doesn't merit the reidiculous markups and prices you charge your customers ...
Having to concede your platform to a niche product and keeping it out of the price bracket of the majority of hard working people isn't justifyable in any way.
Well of course there's the argument ... "well most consumers would be content with a new iMac or iBook" ... i balk at that statement ... yes, i admit they're both splendid machines in form and function ... they're SEVERLY crippled by out-of-date archaic hoardware ... not to mention the ridiculous prices you empose on these "consumer" machines ...
800$ to add a 120gb hard drive to the already expensive xServe configuration? ... CMON GUYS !!! ... Should i apply for a second mortgage ?
95$cnd for a "pro" keyboard ... GEEZ should i lease this thing?
EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT IN YOUR LINE ... is SEVERLY OVERPRICED ...
...And I ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF MILLIONS OF MAC AND WOULD BE MAC USERS !!!
For such a forward thinking company ... you don't seem too look too forward when u selected ur hardware choices, or even worse, your pricing schemes.
You want to increase ur market share?
Do you want to garner the respect of the average joe schmoe?
Well then start releasing FAST MACHINES... with MODERN HARDWARE ... at COMPETITIVE PRICES ...
i ain't no accounting expert ... but i'll tell u this much ... lower ur profit margis a big notch ... and ull turn the sales up a big notch ... and therefore also increase ur marketshare a notch .. which in turn gives u money to continue developing truley modern and forward thinking computing solutions instead of pushing archaic, slow, overpriced commodity items which would make up your current product line.
I'm Sammy ... and i'm a would be MAC SWITCHER
ps. accepting PAYPAL donations to afford a stick of 256mb ram from the apple store
:-)
"
Let em have it boys :-)
Here's a transcript of my feedback ...
"
Hi my name is sammy and i'm from canada ..
Ok well .. i'll tell u straight off ...
Whether or not it's a priviledge to run "OSX" or not ... doesn't merit the reidiculous markups and prices you charge your customers ...
Having to concede your platform to a niche product and keeping it out of the price bracket of the majority of hard working people isn't justifyable in any way.
Well of course there's the argument ... "well most consumers would be content with a new iMac or iBook" ... i balk at that statement ... yes, i admit they're both splendid machines in form and function ... they're SEVERLY crippled by out-of-date archaic hoardware ... not to mention the ridiculous prices you empose on these "consumer" machines ...
800$ to add a 120gb hard drive to the already expensive xServe configuration? ... CMON GUYS !!! ... Should i apply for a second mortgage ?
95$cnd for a "pro" keyboard ... GEEZ should i lease this thing?
EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT IN YOUR LINE ... is SEVERLY OVERPRICED ...
...And I ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF MILLIONS OF MAC AND WOULD BE MAC USERS !!!
For such a forward thinking company ... you don't seem too look too forward when u selected ur hardware choices, or even worse, your pricing schemes.
You want to increase ur market share?
Do you want to garner the respect of the average joe schmoe?
Well then start releasing FAST MACHINES... with MODERN HARDWARE ... at COMPETITIVE PRICES ...
i ain't no accounting expert ... but i'll tell u this much ... lower ur profit margis a big notch ... and ull turn the sales up a big notch ... and therefore also increase ur marketshare a notch .. which in turn gives u money to continue developing truley modern and forward thinking computing solutions instead of pushing archaic, slow, overpriced commodity items which would make up your current product line.
I'm Sammy ... and i'm a would be MAC SWITCHER
ps. accepting PAYPAL donations to afford a stick of 256mb ram from the apple store
:-)
"
Comments
Just a thought.
he he, apple's new machines actually go out, find old stuff and keep it hidden away now?
cool.
Let me give you a little hint if that's true. When you're young..you will most likely make the least amount of money. Work hard...humble yourself and buy an eMac. Someday you will look back fondly at those days.
If you're an Adult. And Apples prices sting you that bad...get a new job skill.
The core of your arguement is good...it's just the execution that is lacking. A little "sweetness goes a long way" is a saying.
<strong>he he, apple's new machines actually go out, find old stuff and keep it hidden away now?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah. If you are looking for your keys, they normally hide those between the optical drives...
<strong>Sammy you sound like a Teenager.
Let me give you a little hint if that's true. When you're young..you will most likely make the least amount of money. Work hard...humble yourself and buy an eMac. Someday you will look back fondly at those days.
If you're an Adult. And Apples prices sting you that bad...get a new job skill.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
What an incredibly condescending and elitist thing to say. If you're not upper middle class, don't buy a Mac? Unfortunately that seems to be the motto Apple uses. THATS why we are a niche market and constantly struggling to survive.
What the man wrote is correct. Whether Apple listens or not is suspect no matter how nicely he wrote it..............................................
Mac users can't stand criticism dedicated to their beloved toy.
Come on!
Have a look to the content - not the typos.
No punctuation, capitalization, spelling or grammar skills means your letter doesn't get read. This is the real world... better get used to it.
Yo Sammy, I agree with you 100 per cent. Forget the RDF sheep. Keep punching.
BTW in the uk a Mac pro keyboard costs aproximately 140 canadian dollars!! that around 90 US dollars (apple store Uk prices
Being angry is not a way to get people to respond positively to you.
Also, I'm pretty sure the feedback page you used is for hardware, specifically the Pwer Mac line, and not OS X itself.
Try editing, toning down and resending your feedback to the OS X feedback page and I'm sure you'll be heard.
Steve
There was nothing "Elitist" about my response. People are generally paid according to Job Skills and/or experience. There are Teenagers who drive late model BMW automobiles but I'm sure you'll find that a rarity. However how many teenager are firing of emails to BMW of America bitchin' at them for not pricing a 3 Series cheap enough for them? Apple has defined what they feel are the most salient features that the typical consumer would need at a particular price point. People may choose to disagree and that's fine but to expect Apple to submit to each individuals request is impossible.
[quote]Unfortunately that seems to be the motto Apple uses <hr></blockquote>
And what's wrong with that? People that wear Polo clothes do so because they recognize the value and quality that goes into Polo. They in essence are making a statement about what their standards are in fashion. I happen to like that Apple has a committment Aesthetics and Design. They always have and always will. It's their Persona and no matter how hard some push Apple is not going to change. Yes, even if it means the end of Apple.
[quote] What the man wrote is correct. Whether Apple listens or not is suspect no matter how nicely he wrote it. <hr></blockquote>
Note. I did agree with his points but his delivery was lacking. No one is trying to come down on Sammy. Some of us are just pointing out that his "feedback" was probably sent to the virtual "circular file" and that's not going to help anyone.
[QUOTE] ]Being angry is not a way to get people to respond positively to you. [/QUOTE
Words to LIVE by. It'll save you alot of grief.
<strong>All clear :
Mac users can't stand criticism dedicated to their beloved toy.
Come on!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think it's that.
[quote]<strong>Have a look to the content - not the typos.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Since the original poster stated that his diatribe was "a transcript of [his] feedback" - something he sent to Apple exactly as given above - it stands to reason that it be criticized for its, shall we say, brusque approach.
<strong>Not trying to pick a fight or anything, but your email would probably be read more seriously by Apple if you used proper spelling and grammer. AND LAYED OFF THE CAPS AND EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!!!!!
Just a thought.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess all of this is my fault since I posted the first reply. Please not the first sentence. I'm not saying that Sammy is stupid or that he is not deserving of a Mac. I'm not saying that his message is inapproprite. I'm not saying I disagree with him.
I'm saying that the way the world works, people are not going to pay his email any attention. Want to test this theory? Call up Apple and start yelling at them, throw in choice slang, and use incorrect grammer. No matter what you are trying to tell Apple, or get Apple to do for you, they are not going to help you at all. That's the way life is. Sorry.
And sorry for veering this thread so horribly arwy. I was merely trying to give him some helpful advice.
Let's not compare Apple computers to BMWs. People who own Macs are (for the most part) the same shlubs that own PCs. I've seen the setup pictures here and I don't see people with tons of cash. Most don't have an Apple display because they are so ridiculously expensive. It's a shame. Apple uses the same display LCDs as other PC manufacturers - they just manufacture the plastic casing. That's why I laugh when I hear people say that 'Apple's displays are FAR superior to Dell's' - meanwhile, they are using the same LCD manufacturers.
Apple Computers are overpriced, not expensive (there is a difference) and some people are tired of it. I don't think we'd mind as much if the technology WAS cutting edge and ahead of the game, but it's not. If you MUST make a comparison, with a BMW you are paying for state of the art new technology AND the pretty bells and whistles. Thank God for OS X as Apple's technology is last years at best.
I am not sure how some of you justify the premium or actually think Apple computers are superior to THAT degree. The plastics they use aren't THAT superior to PC manufacturer's and they don't have the best track record for acknowledging their quality control issues and honoring repairs. As far as design is concern, that's all relative and many people are not into the new beige (Apple's white and lucite combo).
So that's the outside case, what about inside? Do you think Apple uses different RAM, video cards, HDs, LCDs and so on as other PC companies? NO! The only difference usually is that Apple's selected brand components are usually dated. THAT'S why users like the above get pissed and feel as though they are being raped.
Apple depends on the die-hards and the 'it's good enough for what I use' crowds who are stuck with the low end crippled 'consumer' line. I know Apple would offer better chips if they had them, but they CAN make up for it with faster HDs, AGPs and with other technology that is readily available and inexpensive. But for some reason, they don't - but still continue to charge like they do.
I've been using Macs for 9 years (my first being a Classic II) and am still a big fan to this day. The only problem I have with them is that they are charging too much, offering too little options, and not enough power. I could also do without the apologists and zealots who will undoubtedly take every word I said out of context, or cut in and make some ridiculous excuse for EVERYTHING noted above - but that just comes with the territory.
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Why? you ask.... Well, my name is Sammy and I'm
In general cars and computers make a bad comparison. Macs are far too expensive for what they offer; thus, they're overpriced. If they actually had twice the performance for twice the price, there would be a lot less complaining. But half the performance for twice the price just doesn't cut it. When somebody plunks down 150 G's on a Ferrari, they know that it goes around a track like a $150,000 car should. Nobody in a riced out civic is going to go around a track faster. You don't pay that premium for the interior or the comfortable seats, you pay for the performance (or the penis extending poser value)
If you must compare Apple to something motorized, then compare them to Harley-Davidson. Same penis extending poser value, but without the performance. They sell on brand recognition and style alone. They could strap a Briggs and Stratton to a ten-speed and still sell a few 100 thousand copies. Apple and its fans are the same way. But unlike your Harley, which will still be worth quite a bit in 10 or 20 years, your mac won't be worth much after 2 ... or get you laid nearly as often.
Plan accordingly.
Wrong parallel. The common denominator of Apple and BMW is not one of price but ideology. Bavarian Motorworks simply will not settle and make a cheap auto. The 318ti was what their least expensive model and it's no longer made anymore. I'm not hear to argue about price as much as I am saying that for Apple to meets it's goals it must secure a certain margin on it's products. It is unwilling to sacrafice it's aethetic design principals to reduce the cost of Macs. So in that way it is very much like BMW or any other company that holds itself to high internal standards.
[quote] Apple Computers are overpriced, not expensive (there is a difference) and some people are tired of it. I don't think we'd mind as much if the technology WAS cutting edge and ahead of the game, but it's not. If you MUST make a comparison, with a BMW you are paying for state of the art new technology AND the pretty bells and whistles. Thank God for OS X as Apple's technology is last years at best. <hr></blockquote>
That difference is only one of perception. What YOU find to be expensive or overpriced to ME may be just the opposite. To each his own. I happen to feel that OSX is "ahead of the game" As for Cutting Edge I don't see where Apple isn't cutting edge. They support 802.11 and DVD-R burners. Perhaps someone will enlighten me.
[quote] I am not sure how some of you justify the premium or actually think Apple computers are superior to THAT degree. The plastics they use aren't THAT superior to PC manufacturer's and they don't have the best track record for acknowledging their quality control issues and honoring repairs. As far as design is concern, that's all relative and many people are not into the new beige (Apple's white and lucite combo).<hr></blockquote>
But many people ARE and many of those people will pay what they consider is a fair price. Mutual consideration reigns supreme.
[quote] Apple depends on the die-hards and the 'it's good enough for what I use' crowds who are stuck with the low end crippled 'consumer' line. I know Apple would offer better chips if they had them, but they CAN make up for it with faster HDs, AGPs and with other technology that is readily available and inexpensive. But for some reason, they don't - but still continue to charge like they do. <hr></blockquote>
Perhaps Apple realizes that not all customers want or need tower units with expansion. Even those that "think" they do often do not upgrade. Apple differentiates with style and flair. If you've seen one PC box you've damn near seen them all so you might as well start nitpicking over whether computer A has a 32x CDRW vs computer B having a 40x. That kinda mundane stuff really sounds exiting <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
[quote] I've been using Macs for 9 years (my first being a Classic II) and am still a big fan to this day. The only problem I have with them is that they are charging too much, offering too little options, and not enough power. I could also do without the apologists and zealots who will undoubtedly take every word I said out of context, or cut in and make some ridiculous excuse for EVERYTHING noted above - but that just comes with the territory. <hr></blockquote>
Well you've almost hit all the buzzwords. You simply forgot to complain about the RDF. I can't be a zealot because I have just as many PC's as Macs. I'm not an apologist because I realize that Apple is not perfect but I also realize that their total solution is better than what people give them credit for.
<strong> People who own Macs are (for the most part) the same shlubs that own PCs. I've seen the setup pictures here and I don't see people with tons of cash.</strong><hr></blockquote>I take it you haven't met murbot. :eek: Holy ****, is he loaded with ca$h money. I caught this picture of him flashing his "benjamins" just the other day ago:
Lighten up, you guys.