Stagflation Steve and Johnny Dangerously, seriously look stuff up and stop arguing.
1st, each of you have been right about some things [Samsung does make the LCDs for Apple, Apple does use Sony, Matashita, Pioneer, and Lite-on Drives. In fact this past week it was noted they may now be using LG SuperDrives in the iMacs. They used to use that brand of drives for DVD-ROMs in notebooks].
2nd, Both of you have been wrong about some things [comparing a stock Mac with a lower end video card to a stock PC that features a higher end video card is not comparing things equally. You can get stock PCs with lesser cards, you can get Macs with better cards, if you compare them equally the argument is better. Also, neither of you know what Apple pays for parts to don't preach].
So in conclusion its easy to see you two just want to argue. I mean claims as to why Apple uses what ... sorry is someone here a project manager at a computer company named after fruit and we don't know about it?
<strong>Optical Drives, Apple used to use drives made by Sony, Panasonic, Philips and Mitsumi. Today with the exception of the Superdrive made by Pioneer, Apple exclusivly uses drives made by Lite-On and Lucky Goldstar </strong><hr></blockquote>
My three months old iBook has a Sony drive.
[quote]<strong>Hard Drives, Apple used to use high end Seagate, IBM and Quantum Drives. Today Apple uses almost entirely inexpensive Maxtor and Western Digital drives.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple use IBMs in some of their desktop models and Toshiba in the iBook.
[quote]<strong>Apple's nvidia videocards are made by LeakTek, and have over-all poor 2D quality compared to ATI cards because Leadtek uses poor quality filters</strong><hr></blockquote>
Can you imagine how embarrassed they will be when they find out they have been making video cards for Apple by mistake for the better part of two years?
Stagflation, mind posting some actual links instead of random BS? Until then I will ignore your comments on the basis that you have no idea what you are talking about...
Nah, Stagflation's not a troll. Obviously, he has enough time to research and check all his facts when he's not ...
- replacing countless Goldstar iMac tubes
- replacing 37 Maxtor hard drives
- not ordering and carrying anything other than the iBook
- replacing "LeakTek" (lol) video cards with better ones (by who?)
So, he must have all his information correct, right? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
We should all respect him more because he knows so much about how Apple builds its products! He's so cool, he probably designed all the stuff himself! In ten minutes!
I don't like Maxtor drives myself but I have a hard time believing that 37 of them all failed at once, its a little nuts the mean time failure rates simply are that high.
I would really like to know where some of this info that Steve is stating is coming from. Like a link to tell me who is making the graphics cards inside the Power Macs that use the Nvidia chip set.
- not ordering and carrying anything other than the iBook</strong><hr></blockquote>
- Look at page the Apple iMac Service Manual on Service Source,
[quote]Identifying the LG CRT
Identify the LG CRT by the
plastic molding on the CRT
neck. The LG name and three
holes can be seen on the
plastic molding.
If the computer is using the
661-2465 power/analog
board (with the switch at
SW 901) with an LG CRT,
make sure the switch is set
to LG.
Goldstar CRT Assembly
(N. Hem.) 922-3877
<hr></blockquote>
- We are an Apple Specialist and we provide warranty service for Apple products, if your mac breaks we are the only game in town, Of the repairs done in the last year, 37 of them were failed Maxtor hard drives.
- We will order whatever the hell you like, just at the moment we only carry the iBook in fluid inventory because it is the only model that is sold on in large numbers, if you want a Power Mac or an LCD iMac, we can have it for you in 48 hours,
<strong>I would really like to know where some of this info that Steve is stating is coming from. Like a link to tell me who is making the graphics cards inside the Power Macs that use the Nvidia chip set.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I asked an Apple represenative who makes the nvidia cards used in the Power Mac G4, he told me they are made by LeadTek
I was just checking out my GeForce 4 card. I couldn't find any manufacturer labels, but there is a bunch of ICs on the card that have Samsung printed on them.
I don't know if this means that Samsung makes the card or not. But a sticker on the front also says that it is assembled in the USA, if this helps.
Founded in 1988, VisionTek is the largest manufacturer of 3D graphics accelerators and memory in North America and the only NVIDIA-based supplier who manufactures and sells its products in the United States. Visiontek, Inc. is also a leading technology design and manufacturing services (TDMS) provider specializing in the personal computer, telecommunications, industrial and medical markets. The company's consumer products include PC graphics cards and memory, compact flash and IEEE 1394 technology. Visiontek, Inc.'s PC OEM customers include Apple, Compaq, Gateway, IBM, and Micron
(Emphasis mine.) <hr></blockquote>
So Visiontek is certainly under the impression that Apple is a customer of theirs.
Leadtek's <a href="http://www.leadtek.com/press/GeForce4pr.htm"; target="_blank">press release for the GeForce4</a> does not identify any of its OEM or retail customers, and the company does not mention Apple anywhere that I could find in an admittedly cursory search. That doesn't rule them out, of course: They don't seem to mention any OEM or retail partners by name.
LG (Lucky Goldstar) manufactured the CRT iMacs for years, and they still might. eMacs are manufactured by Hon Hai Precision, and LCD iMacs are made by Quanta and/or Hon Hai. Quanta also makes Apple's laptop lines if memory serves; PowerMacs are assembled in Apple's own plants, at least for the US market.
If you are going to be as strong in your statements and your condemning of others as you have been then you need to be as strong in your evidence.
Saying "an Apple tech told me" doesn't really cut it when you are willing to shoot down other people's statements so harshly. Regarding the tech manuals, quote them if its the case, the general public does not have legal access to Apple's internal tech manuals so saying "its in there go look" doesn't do anything for anyone here.
Also, if you work for the only Apple Service Center in your area I have a hard time believing you only keep iBooks in stock ... I mean if you are the only one in the area and you get as much business as you insinuate you do then the people getting repairs must being buying Macs at some point ... Seriously, do you guys stay in business only keeping one of Apple's products in stock and just doing tech support? That seems aweful strange.
- The person who originally challenged me on that is Johnny Dangerously, his profile would strongly suggest he would have access to those Apple Service resources,
- An Apple rep told a presentation to resellers in early 2001 after the introduction of the G4's with nvidia cards, that those cards were made by LeadTek, maybe Apple has changed suppliers in the interm. But at the time he was very insistant that they were LeadTek
- At the moment sales of Macs are very slow, we have not sold an LCD iMac since September, the G4 tower and powerbook are also selling very slow. However the iBook is still selling well.
If you want an iMac, eMac, Powerbook or xserve or whatever, we will order it in right away, but we don't keep them on hand because we don't want to get stuck with systems no one wants that we might have to sell at a loss when the specs are bumped up.
<strong>- The person who originally challenged me on that is Johnny Dangerously, his profile would strongly suggest he would have access to those Apple Service resources,
- An Apple rep told a presentation to resellers in early 2001 after the introduction of the G4's with nvidia cards, that those cards were made by LeadTek, maybe Apple has changed suppliers in the interm. But at the time he was very insistant that they were LeadTek</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps I do, perhaps Johnny does, perhaps a couple other people do. But all that aside, its a public argument, if you want people to believe you instead of taking issue with you as they are then you need to be more proactive in your evidence.
Like I said, it might be true about the Apple Rep. but you can't really convince anyone with hearsay when you are bashing other people for the same types of statements.
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1st, each of you have been right about some things [Samsung does make the LCDs for Apple, Apple does use Sony, Matashita, Pioneer, and Lite-on Drives. In fact this past week it was noted they may now be using LG SuperDrives in the iMacs. They used to use that brand of drives for DVD-ROMs in notebooks].
2nd, Both of you have been wrong about some things [comparing a stock Mac with a lower end video card to a stock PC that features a higher end video card is not comparing things equally. You can get stock PCs with lesser cards, you can get Macs with better cards, if you compare them equally the argument is better. Also, neither of you know what Apple pays for parts to don't preach].
So in conclusion its easy to see you two just want to argue. I mean claims as to why Apple uses what ... sorry is someone here a project manager at a computer company named after fruit and we don't know about it?
Take a bigger look at the world and back off.
As in, how sharp is the image it puts on the monitor
<strong>Optical Drives, Apple used to use drives made by Sony, Panasonic, Philips and Mitsumi. Today with the exception of the Superdrive made by Pioneer, Apple exclusivly uses drives made by Lite-On and Lucky Goldstar </strong><hr></blockquote>
My three months old iBook has a Sony drive.
[quote]<strong>Hard Drives, Apple used to use high end Seagate, IBM and Quantum Drives. Today Apple uses almost entirely inexpensive Maxtor and Western Digital drives.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple use IBMs in some of their desktop models and Toshiba in the iBook.
[quote]<strong>Apple's nvidia videocards are made by LeakTek, and have over-all poor 2D quality compared to ATI cards because Leadtek uses poor quality filters</strong><hr></blockquote>
VisionTek makes Apple's GeForce cards!!
Can you imagine how embarrassed they will be when they find out they have been making video cards for Apple by mistake for the better part of two years?
and what is wrong with the Western Digital drives?
I have not praised Apple at all in this thread, I simply want proof.
To put it another way, I'm not going to take your word for it.
As for my 'imformed opinion,' I haven't expressed an opinion in this thread either.
post a link or two, otherwise people will assume you're just another pointless troll.
Nah, Stagflation's not a troll. Obviously, he has enough time to research and check all his facts when he's not ...
- replacing countless Goldstar iMac tubes
- replacing 37 Maxtor hard drives
- not ordering and carrying anything other than the iBook
- replacing "LeakTek" (lol) video cards with better ones (by who?)
So, he must have all his information correct, right? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
We should all respect him more because he knows so much about how Apple builds its products! He's so cool, he probably designed all the stuff himself! In ten minutes!
[/sarcasm]
- Johnny Dangerously
I would really like to know where some of this info that Steve is stating is coming from. Like a link to tell me who is making the graphics cards inside the Power Macs that use the Nvidia chip set.
<strong>
- replacing countless Goldstar iMac tubes
- replacing 37 Maxtor hard drives
- not ordering and carrying anything other than the iBook</strong><hr></blockquote>
- Look at page the Apple iMac Service Manual on Service Source,
[quote]Identifying the LG CRT
Identify the LG CRT by the
plastic molding on the CRT
neck. The LG name and three
holes can be seen on the
plastic molding.
If the computer is using the
661-2465 power/analog
board (with the switch at
SW 901) with an LG CRT,
make sure the switch is set
to LG.
Goldstar CRT Assembly
(N. Hem.) 922-3877
<hr></blockquote>
- We are an Apple Specialist and we provide warranty service for Apple products, if your mac breaks we are the only game in town, Of the repairs done in the last year, 37 of them were failed Maxtor hard drives.
- We will order whatever the hell you like, just at the moment we only carry the iBook in fluid inventory because it is the only model that is sold on in large numbers, if you want a Power Mac or an LCD iMac, we can have it for you in 48 hours,
<strong>I would really like to know where some of this info that Steve is stating is coming from. Like a link to tell me who is making the graphics cards inside the Power Macs that use the Nvidia chip set.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I asked an Apple represenative who makes the nvidia cards used in the Power Mac G4, he told me they are made by LeadTek
I don't know if this means that Samsung makes the card or not. But a sticker on the front also says that it is assembled in the USA, if this helps.
<strong>
I asked an Apple represenative who makes the nvidia cards used in the Power Mac G4, he told me they are made by LeadTek</strong><hr></blockquote>
How about your proof of Apple not using eg. Sony optical drives and IBM harddrives?
[quote]
About VisionTek
Founded in 1988, VisionTek is the largest manufacturer of 3D graphics accelerators and memory in North America and the only NVIDIA-based supplier who manufactures and sells its products in the United States. Visiontek, Inc. is also a leading technology design and manufacturing services (TDMS) provider specializing in the personal computer, telecommunications, industrial and medical markets. The company's consumer products include PC graphics cards and memory, compact flash and IEEE 1394 technology. Visiontek, Inc.'s PC OEM customers include Apple, Compaq, Gateway, IBM, and Micron
(Emphasis mine.) <hr></blockquote>
So Visiontek is certainly under the impression that Apple is a customer of theirs.
Leadtek's <a href="http://www.leadtek.com/press/GeForce4pr.htm"; target="_blank">press release for the GeForce4</a> does not identify any of its OEM or retail customers, and the company does not mention Apple anywhere that I could find in an admittedly cursory search. That doesn't rule them out, of course: They don't seem to mention any OEM or retail partners by name.
LG (Lucky Goldstar) manufactured the CRT iMacs for years, and they still might. eMacs are manufactured by Hon Hai Precision, and LCD iMacs are made by Quanta and/or Hon Hai. Quanta also makes Apple's laptop lines if memory serves; PowerMacs are assembled in Apple's own plants, at least for the US market.
<strong>PowerMacs are assembled in Apple's own plants, at least for the US market.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Power Macs in Europe are assembled by Apple's plant in Ireland, and some CRT iMacs are assembled in the Czech Republic.
If you are going to be as strong in your statements and your condemning of others as you have been then you need to be as strong in your evidence.
Saying "an Apple tech told me" doesn't really cut it when you are willing to shoot down other people's statements so harshly. Regarding the tech manuals, quote them if its the case, the general public does not have legal access to Apple's internal tech manuals so saying "its in there go look" doesn't do anything for anyone here.
Also, if you work for the only Apple Service Center in your area I have a hard time believing you only keep iBooks in stock ... I mean if you are the only one in the area and you get as much business as you insinuate you do then the people getting repairs must being buying Macs at some point ... Seriously, do you guys stay in business only keeping one of Apple's products in stock and just doing tech support? That seems aweful strange.
- An Apple rep told a presentation to resellers in early 2001 after the introduction of the G4's with nvidia cards, that those cards were made by LeadTek, maybe Apple has changed suppliers in the interm. But at the time he was very insistant that they were LeadTek
- At the moment sales of Macs are very slow, we have not sold an LCD iMac since September, the G4 tower and powerbook are also selling very slow. However the iBook is still selling well.
If you want an iMac, eMac, Powerbook or xserve or whatever, we will order it in right away, but we don't keep them on hand because we don't want to get stuck with systems no one wants that we might have to sell at a loss when the specs are bumped up.
<strong>- The person who originally challenged me on that is Johnny Dangerously, his profile would strongly suggest he would have access to those Apple Service resources,
- An Apple rep told a presentation to resellers in early 2001 after the introduction of the G4's with nvidia cards, that those cards were made by LeadTek, maybe Apple has changed suppliers in the interm. But at the time he was very insistant that they were LeadTek</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps I do, perhaps Johnny does, perhaps a couple other people do. But all that aside, its a public argument, if you want people to believe you instead of taking issue with you as they are then you need to be more proactive in your evidence.
Like I said, it might be true about the Apple Rep. but you can't really convince anyone with hearsay when you are bashing other people for the same types of statements.