[quote] Who can't make up part numbers? <hr></blockquote>
<Foghorn Leghorn> It's a joke son-- why aren't you laughing? </Foghorn Leghorn>
[quote] Press releases from IBM (the only people making fast G3s) say 1GHz G3 not before middle of this year, they are sampling them in Q1 2002. <hr></blockquote>
Excellent point. Definitely makes it look hokey... Anyway... 5 days...
Well if this 14" screen bizzo turns out, then I was right on the button. Sounds just like Apple when they dropped the 17" CRT and went 15" LCD. Why change the pattern...and besides, 14" would be cheaper than 15". better margins for Apple!!
Ok, having worked at compusa, i can tell you- we don't get ANYTHING as far as advanced notice from Apple, exactly for reasons like this (unless they've really changed their policy).
Now, my theory.
G5s were pretty close to being ready to go last time i checked. so. G5 towers will be introduced, though not for immediate sale i think. iMacs will probably get the flatscreens. Now, we all know apple with have some left over G4 parts, right?
Using an LCD screen, you'll have plenty of space left for a fan and heat sink to prevent a G4 from frying itself.
LCD screens aren't ground breaking, and i don't think they'd justify the amount of hype this is receiving, so for now I'm thinking bigger.
On the small side, I'd like to see either G3 towers re-introduced, for students or people who need more than an imac, but can't afford a G4 (or a G5?), or, if G5s come out, the continued production of G4 towers .
* 14.1" LCD is al least 1" larger that the viewable area on a 15" iMac CRT[
* 14.1" LCD would be cheaper than 15" LCD, helping to keep prices low.
* iBook LCD is a measly 12.1", and it looks great.
* Remember news reports about some company manufacturing 14" LCD for "new apple laptop (son of pismo)"?, maybe it wasn't a laptop. (or the new iMac form factor confused them into thinking it was)
<strong>14.1" LCD Seems resonable.[LIST][*]14.1" LCD is al least 1" larger that the viewable area on a 15" iMac CRT[*]14.1" LCD would be cheaper than 15" LCD, helping to keep prices low.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If there is letdown this time around the blame falls squarely on Steve's feet. After today's promo developments, if there isn't a significant and visible improvement in mac performance on every front (in use and on the spec sheet) as well as a stunning new design, then this show is a cock-up of the first order. And anyone at Apple should have been aware of that. A neat new iToy (camera, PDA, or whatever) just ain't gonna cut it. People pay more for macs than for PC's, we want faster hardware than PC's.
THey NEED to have:
Faster I/O technologies all around: faster firewire, faster ATA especially!
Faster CPU's (Apollo, and G5, and Sahara ready to go for everything from iBook to PowerMac)
LCD iMacs 15"
Faster 3D video for everything. Minimum 32 MB radeon for iMacs. 16MB radeon for iBooks, Radeon 7500M for TiBook, and Geforce 3 standard on at least two of the three powermacs, with twinview the new bottom end for powermac!
Cheaper displays, cheaper desktops (consumer and PRO)
An OSX update with a significant new iApp (photo editor of some kind)
Superdrive across the range on the PowerMacs (included at current prices or at a slight DROP)
ALL of this must come with the price of each machine at least holding to the current points, and some will still need a slight drop even with the improvement.
THAT is a BIG show BEYOND our expectations. Only then will a new iToy or PDA or pad or whatever mean anything. Apple told us to expect more and now they better deliver what we expect.
They ought to know, and if they don't deliver something along the lines of what I described, then the show can only be called a letdown. I think it's entirely possible that the show will be a letdown, but this time it's apple's own fault.
[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: EmAn ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow that was quick.... but I didn't mean sucks as in disappointing, I mean not making sense. 14 inch screens don't measure up one way or another, and 14 inch crt is a joke. The optical drives configs are unlikely too.
If you wanna believe tho, don't let me stop you. We're all entitled to a religion. Right?
What does sound good to me are the speeds. I remember one of the earlier rumors said the models woul only be seperated by optical drive like the iBook and all speeds would be the same.
<strong>What does sound good to me are the speeds. I remember one of the earlier rumors said the models woul only be seperated by optical drive like the iBook and all speeds would be the same.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1 GHz G3s ARE NOT READY ( according to a lot of people)
Although, in the back of my mind I remember someone saying a little while ago that IBM had like 1GHz G3s last year? Am I imagining things again?
I agree that the imac should have 1 speed accross the line (except low end) to make choice easy for customers. I think it contributed a lot to the iBook's lower cost and mass appeal.
About the CPU: I don't think IBM can tune the current G3 up to 1 ghz, it should max out at 800-900 mhz. Sahara is not ready yet, sorry. If Apple wants to do a 1 ghz iMac, they'll have to use the Apollo. Therefore I believe these specs are not true.
About the screen: I think it's not impossible for Apple to use 15" LCDs in the iMac. Note the iPod: the harddisk Apple uses is almost more expensive than the entire iPod if you purchase it. Apple's 15" TFT is currently at 599.-, and I think they can even go down further with the price. That's already the screen and the enclosure, it should be possible to build a 15" TFT iMac for about $US 1200 , maybe the entry modul could still use a CRT.
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<Foghorn Leghorn> It's a joke son-- why aren't you laughing? </Foghorn Leghorn>
[quote] Press releases from IBM (the only people making fast G3s) say 1GHz G3 not before middle of this year, they are sampling them in Q1 2002. <hr></blockquote>
Excellent point. Definitely makes it look hokey... Anyway... 5 days...
<strong>
<Foghorn Leghorn> It's a joke son-- why aren't you laughing? </Foghorn Leghorn> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Because I'm old and a British engineer, I have a compulsion to believe everything I'm told unless I can prove it otherwise.
Michael
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One is the DVDROM, the other is the CDRW. As for colors, I asked him about that and he said no colors were listed for the LCDs.
SdC
[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: suckfuldotcom ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Since when does Apple charge the same for DVD and CD-RW. Usually the DVD is $100 cheaper.
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Now, my theory.
G5s were pretty close to being ready to go last time i checked. so. G5 towers will be introduced, though not for immediate sale i think. iMacs will probably get the flatscreens. Now, we all know apple with have some left over G4 parts, right?
Using an LCD screen, you'll have plenty of space left for a fan and heat sink to prevent a G4 from frying itself.
LCD screens aren't ground breaking, and i don't think they'd justify the amount of hype this is receiving, so for now I'm thinking bigger.
On the small side, I'd like to see either G3 towers re-introduced, for students or people who need more than an imac, but can't afford a G4 (or a G5?), or, if G5s come out, the continued production of G4 towers .
* 14.1" LCD is al least 1" larger that the viewable area on a 15" iMac CRT[
* 14.1" LCD would be cheaper than 15" LCD, helping to keep prices low.
* iBook LCD is a measly 12.1", and it looks great.
* Remember news reports about some company manufacturing 14" LCD for "new apple laptop (son of pismo)"?, maybe it wasn't a laptop. (or the new iMac form factor confused them into thinking it was)
[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: luiss ]</p>
<strong>14.1" LCD Seems resonable.[LIST][*]14.1" LCD is al least 1" larger that the viewable area on a 15" iMac CRT[*]14.1" LCD would be cheaper than 15" LCD, helping to keep prices low.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How much cheaper would it be?
<strong>Mastergateing has risen from oblivion, for one last laugh before the big show. Don't be suckers people, the spec sucks.
The specs sucking make it more realistic I think.
[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: EmAn ]</p>
anyoen can fabricate part numbers based upon current part numbers
AND WHY IN THE HELL WOULD ANYONE FROM COMPUSA HAVE THE DAMN SPECS?
WHY?
IF ALL THESE RANDOM PEOPLE DID WHY DONT' THEY LEAK OUT MORE OFTEN?
WHY ISN'T THERE ANYOEN BACKING THIS UP?
HUH?
If there is letdown this time around the blame falls squarely on Steve's feet. After today's promo developments, if there isn't a significant and visible improvement in mac performance on every front (in use and on the spec sheet) as well as a stunning new design, then this show is a cock-up of the first order. And anyone at Apple should have been aware of that. A neat new iToy (camera, PDA, or whatever) just ain't gonna cut it. People pay more for macs than for PC's, we want faster hardware than PC's.
THey NEED to have:
Faster I/O technologies all around: faster firewire, faster ATA especially!
Faster CPU's (Apollo, and G5, and Sahara ready to go for everything from iBook to PowerMac)
LCD iMacs 15"
Faster 3D video for everything. Minimum 32 MB radeon for iMacs. 16MB radeon for iBooks, Radeon 7500M for TiBook, and Geforce 3 standard on at least two of the three powermacs, with twinview the new bottom end for powermac!
Cheaper displays, cheaper desktops (consumer and PRO)
An OSX update with a significant new iApp (photo editor of some kind)
Superdrive across the range on the PowerMacs (included at current prices or at a slight DROP)
ALL of this must come with the price of each machine at least holding to the current points, and some will still need a slight drop even with the improvement.
THAT is a BIG show BEYOND our expectations. Only then will a new iToy or PDA or pad or whatever mean anything. Apple told us to expect more and now they better deliver what we expect.
They ought to know, and if they don't deliver something along the lines of what I described, then the show can only be called a letdown. I think it's entirely possible that the show will be a letdown, but this time it's apple's own fault.
<strong>
The specs sucking make it more realistic I think.
[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: EmAn ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow that was quick.... but I didn't mean sucks as in disappointing, I mean not making sense. 14 inch screens don't measure up one way or another, and 14 inch crt is a joke. The optical drives configs are unlikely too.
If you wanna believe tho, don't let me stop you. We're all entitled to a religion. Right?
<strong>
I didn't even notice that. What's the deal with a smaller CRT than they have now?</strong><hr></blockquote>
WHaddya mean whats the deal guys?
I keep telling you there's a market for smaller tubes!
<strong>* 14.1" LCD is al least 1" larger that the viewable area on a 15" iMac CRT</strong><hr></blockquote>
ummm not so fast, more like .3 in larger... sorry 14.1-13.8=.3
Still, an improovement. Plus LCDs look larger then CRTs of the same size b/c they dont waste any space.
-Paul
<strong>What does sound good to me are the speeds. I remember one of the earlier rumors said the models woul only be seperated by optical drive like the iBook and all speeds would be the same.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1 GHz G3s ARE NOT READY ( according to a lot of people)
Although, in the back of my mind I remember someone saying a little while ago that IBM had like 1GHz G3s last year? Am I imagining things again?
I agree that the imac should have 1 speed accross the line (except low end) to make choice easy for customers. I think it contributed a lot to the iBook's lower cost and mass appeal.
-Paul
<strong>
WHaddya mean whats the deal guys?
I keep telling you there's a market for smaller tubes!</strong><hr></blockquote>
And that market would be...
That could be the topper. Maybe Apple knows no one in their right mind is expecting a 2GHz G4 Apolo. And that my friends is beyond the rumor sites!!!!
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
About the screen: I think it's not impossible for Apple to use 15" LCDs in the iMac. Note the iPod: the harddisk Apple uses is almost more expensive than the entire iPod if you purchase it. Apple's 15" TFT is currently at 599.-, and I think they can even go down further with the price. That's already the screen and the enclosure, it should be possible to build a 15" TFT iMac for about $US 1200 , maybe the entry modul could still use a CRT.