Based on smaller version of G5 tower with the space for second processor removed and without zone dividers. Exterior iMac White.
Single processor running with bus running at 1/3rd processor Speed
Non-Dual Channel DDRII
1 PCI Expressx16
3 PCI
No Optical audio.
Matching 15" and 17" LCD Displays resembling iMac.
Why suggest so many slots in a consumer tower? It would really hurt higher end sales. I think there should be no slots, except for upgradable video and a nice big hard drive for iMovie fans. Otherwise, I like your idea. Do I think it will happen? No. \
There is really no reason for not having the option for dual optical drives. You can probably fit three laptop DVD Burners in the space currently available. It would cost a bit more, but not more than $100 for Apple, which means it should be profitable at $150 to the end user. All they would need to do is replace the metal cover with a cover for two slot loading drives.
The HDs are even more ridiculous as there are currently third party brackets available to install a total of five standard HDs in the current tower. How much would a similar bracket cost Apple?
Why suggest so many slots in a consumer tower? It would really hurt higher end sales. I think there should be no slots, except for upgradable video and a nice big hard drive for iMovie fans. Otherwise, I like your idea. Do I think it will happen? No. \
1 video and 3 expansion card slots is the norm for a mid-tower and believe me, 3 PCI slots isn't that many. The question should be why the 20" tall G5 has so few.
1 video and 3 expansion card slots is the norm for a mid-tower and believe me, 3 PCI slots isn't that many. The question should be why the 20" tall G5 has so few.
Because option items like Airport Express cards, Bluetooth come in dedicated slots. Motherboards have become so integrated the need for PCI slots for expansion has dwindled substantially. 3 PCI slots and one graphics slot should cover 80% of all users.
I think the G5 has so few slots because Apple focused on cooling. They knew processors were going to start dissipating a lot of heat.
y'all forgot standard DUAL LAYER DVD-R drives across the board.
They're cheap as hell.
Apple should burn in hell if they didnt provide this to thei Pro hardware market. Then again, they've done a lot of ass backwards things in the past, so...
I'm willing to bet that 2.8GHz Dualies could be available for next rev. Would be a good thing?
The reason they didn't include dual layer in the 2.5's is they had tons of superdrives lying around, and with the price points remaining constant, the added dual layer would've lowered their margin.
Compatibility is not really an issue with dual layer, in spite of the rumors by mainly just mac nerds.
It's as bad as 4.7gb DVD-R's, but, of course, nobody's complaining about those.
The problem I have with dual layer is the price of media.. I mean, I got a dvd burner to PIRATE movies, not to pay full price for a home-made copy!
Apple needs an overhaul in the way they support DVD burners (and optical drives in general).
1. Ditch pioneer. They make nice drives, but NECs ND-3500 is faster and cheaper. While their at it, ditch the 32x combo drive. They should have been 48x two years ago.
Think again! The last I heard the Pioneer DVR-108 was the fastest dual layer burner made, and its already old, and ready to be replaced by the DVR-109 which has already reached legendary status, and it is not even available yet.
Pioneer is truely a pioneer in laser technology, and Apple would be foolish to dump them.
Think again! The last I heard the Pioneer DVR-108 was the fastest dual layer burner made, and its already old, and ready to be replaced by the DVR-109 which has already reached legendary status, and it is not even available yet.
Pioneer is truely a pioneer in laser technology, and Apple would be foolish to dump them.
Okay, my predictions (which I think are more grounded in reality than some might believe):
Single 2 GHz
970GX-based (as are all others)
512 MB of DDR2/400 memory (4 DIMM slots)
120 GB hard drive
16X dual-layer Superdrive
128 MB GeForce 6200 PCIe video
$1499
Dual 2 GHz
Same as single, but dual-processor
$1899
Dual 2.5 GHz
Same as dual 2, but:
512 MB of DDR2/533 memory (8 DIMM slots)
250 GB hard drive
$2499
Dual 3 GHz
Same as dual 2.5, but:
1 GB of DDR2/533 memory
256 MB ATI Radeon X700 XT video
$2999
Extra options:
Up to 16 GB of memory (dual 2.5 and 3 GHz models)
Up to a 400 GB hard drive
Video upgrades: X700 XT, X850 XT
Of course, I don't discount the possiblity that the prices will be slightly different, that there will be more nVidia options, or that there won't be any models with a 1 GB of memory out of the box. But I think this lineup could happen... whether it's January or later is another matter!
In the low end configuration the default player would probably be the combo drive.
Not really - and the cost of 16X dual-layer drives isn't as much as you'd think. The combo drive would only be there for people who want to save as much money as possible.
Not really - and the cost of 16X dual-layer drives isn't as much as you'd think. The combo drive would only be there for people who want to save as much money as possible.
Newegg is selling the OEM version of the A08XL for $74. I'd guess Apple gets them for around $50.
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Originally posted by BenRoethig
Consumer Tower:
Based on smaller version of G5 tower with the space for second processor removed and without zone dividers. Exterior iMac White.
Single processor running with bus running at 1/3rd processor Speed
Non-Dual Channel DDRII
1 PCI Expressx16
3 PCI
No Optical audio.
Matching 15" and 17" LCD Displays resembling iMac.
Why suggest so many slots in a consumer tower? It would really hurt higher end sales. I think there should be no slots, except for upgradable video and a nice big hard drive for iMovie fans. Otherwise, I like your idea. Do I think it will happen? No.
The HDs are even more ridiculous as there are currently third party brackets available to install a total of five standard HDs in the current tower. How much would a similar bracket cost Apple?
Originally posted by iDave
Why suggest so many slots in a consumer tower? It would really hurt higher end sales. I think there should be no slots, except for upgradable video and a nice big hard drive for iMovie fans. Otherwise, I like your idea. Do I think it will happen? No.
1 video and 3 expansion card slots is the norm for a mid-tower and believe me, 3 PCI slots isn't that many. The question should be why the 20" tall G5 has so few.
Originally posted by BenRoethig
1 video and 3 expansion card slots is the norm for a mid-tower and believe me, 3 PCI slots isn't that many. The question should be why the 20" tall G5 has so few.
Because option items like Airport Express cards, Bluetooth come in dedicated slots. Motherboards have become so integrated the need for PCI slots for expansion has dwindled substantially. 3 PCI slots and one graphics slot should cover 80% of all users.
I think the G5 has so few slots because Apple focused on cooling. They knew processors were going to start dissipating a lot of heat.
They're cheap as hell.
Apple should burn in hell if they didnt provide this to thei Pro hardware market. Then again, they've done a lot of ass backwards things in the past, so...
I'm willing to bet that 2.8GHz Dualies could be available for next rev. Would be a good thing?
User burned dual layer DVD's are in incompatible with over 90% of household DVD players.
The ones I've burned, as well as my fiends, have had no issues.
weird.
Compatibility is not really an issue with dual layer, in spite of the rumors by mainly just mac nerds.
It's as bad as 4.7gb DVD-R's, but, of course, nobody's complaining about those.
The problem I have with dual layer is the price of media.. I mean, I got a dvd burner to PIRATE movies, not to pay full price for a home-made copy!
j/k
Originally posted by slughead
The problem I have with dual layer is the price of media.. I mean, I got a dvd burner to PIRATE movies, not to pay full price for a home-made copy!
j/k
Yeh but wouldn't you be able to get two movies on one dvd, one per layer?
Originally posted by mattyj
Yeh but wouldn't you be able to get two movies on one dvd, one per layer?
Actually MOST commercial dvds I run into require dual layer to be copied exactly.
Long movies, multiple audio tracks, and languages, more times than not can be more than 4.7GB WITHOUT the special features.
So no, you couldn't fit 2 movies on 1 dual layer DVD MOST of the time without transcoding them, which diminishes the quality.
$1499
Single 2 Ghz PPC 970GX
256 MB of ram
5200 64 MB
2 HD bays
max ram bumped to 6 GB.
$1999
Dual 2 Ghz PPC 970GX
512 MB of ram.
9600XT 128 MB
2 HDs
max is bumped to 10 GB
$2499
Dual 2.5 Ghz PPC 970GX
512 MB of ram
9600XT 128 mb
2 HDS
max ram is 10 GB
$2999
dual 3 Ghz PPC 970GX
768 MB of ram
9800XT
2 HDS
max ram is 10 GB
Options
X800
6800 Gt
6800 Ultra
Able to downgrade the mid and lower Pmacs to the 5200 and save $50.
1. Ditch pioneer. They make nice drives, but NECs ND-3500 is faster and cheaper. While their at it, ditch the 32x combo drive. They should have been 48x two years ago.
2. Support all formats.
3. Support external drives.
Pioneer is truely a pioneer in laser technology, and Apple would be foolish to dump them.
Originally posted by onlooker
Think again! The last I heard the Pioneer DVR-108 was the fastest dual layer burner made, and its already old, and ready to be replaced by the DVR-109 which has already reached legendary status, and it is not even available yet.
Pioneer is truely a pioneer in laser technology, and Apple would be foolish to dump them.
Agreed!
Single 2 GHz
970GX-based (as are all others)
512 MB of DDR2/400 memory (4 DIMM slots)
120 GB hard drive
16X dual-layer Superdrive
128 MB GeForce 6200 PCIe video
$1499
Dual 2 GHz
Same as single, but dual-processor
$1899
Dual 2.5 GHz
Same as dual 2, but:
512 MB of DDR2/533 memory (8 DIMM slots)
250 GB hard drive
$2499
Dual 3 GHz
Same as dual 2.5, but:
1 GB of DDR2/533 memory
256 MB ATI Radeon X700 XT video
$2999
Extra options:
Up to 16 GB of memory (dual 2.5 and 3 GHz models)
Up to a 400 GB hard drive
Video upgrades: X700 XT, X850 XT
Of course, I don't discount the possiblity that the prices will be slightly different, that there will be more nVidia options, or that there won't be any models with a 1 GB of memory out of the box. But I think this lineup could happen... whether it's January or later is another matter!
Originally posted by Commodus
Okay, my predictions (which I think are more grounded in reality than some might believe):
Single 2 GHz
970GX-based (as are all others)
512 MB of DDR2/400 memory (4 DIMM slots)
120 GB hard drive
16X dual-layer Superdrive
128 MB GeForce 6200 PCIe video
$1499
In the low end configuration the default player would probably be the combo drive.
Originally posted by onlooker
In the low end configuration the default player would probably be the combo drive.
Doubtful, since the current single comes with a Superdrive.
Originally posted by onlooker
In the low end configuration the default player would probably be the combo drive.
Not really - and the cost of 16X dual-layer drives isn't as much as you'd think. The combo drive would only be there for people who want to save as much money as possible.
Originally posted by Commodus
Not really - and the cost of 16X dual-layer drives isn't as much as you'd think. The combo drive would only be there for people who want to save as much money as possible.
Newegg is selling the OEM version of the A08XL for $74. I'd guess Apple gets them for around $50.
So here it is:
onlookers fabulous MWSF prediction!