I've never understood why Apple doesn't allow you to pre-order and charge your credit card when they ship, like Amazon does. Wouldn't that let them gauge manufacturing how many CDs (or DVDs) better? Just a thought.
No, I really doubt it's illegal once you leave, but you may still be bound under the educational/non-commercial license. That is, assuming Apple has such a license. I've seen some pretty strict edu licenses, as well as OEM ones, too.
Sure you could have a friend do it for you, just like a friend could buy you alcohol or copy a CD for you. I suppose in this sense nobody is going to do anything about it.
Apple doesn't do anything about copying anyway does it? They don;t make it difficult to share your OS CD do they!
I've never understood why Apple doesn't allow you to pre-order and charge your credit card when they ship, like Amazon does. Wouldn't that let them gauge manufacturing how many CDs (or DVDs) better? Just a thought.
Amazon usually have an estimated date, Apple don;t do this because they don't announce it until it comes out. Tiger is an exception but Apple won't do it. Amazon tried to pre-order it and it wasn't successful (with Apple)
The software (including Boot ROM code), documentation and any fonts accompanying this License whether on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (collectively the ?Apple Software?) are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Computer, Inc.
At any rate, who gives a flying hoot? That is not how things operate in the real world no matter what the legal jargon says. In the real world, once you buy something, it's yours, and no one's going to be showing up at your house to take it away...........
Anyways, I think the actual interpretation of that is more, "We're selling you the right to use this forever, but not the right to distribute and sell it/give it away yourself/use proprietary code to make your own OS etc....." That statement to me doesn't seem to be about your actual and personal ownership of the specific piece of product they sold to you, but the ownership of the "prodcut" as an entity. I own a copy of OS X, and it's mine forever and apple can not take it away from me, but clearly I don't OWN OS X.
At any rate, who gives a flying hoot? That is not how things operate in the real world no matter what the legal jargon says. In the real world, once you buy something, it's yours, and no one's going to be showing up at your house to take it away...........
Anyways, I think the actual interpretation of that is more, "We're selling you the right to use this forever, but not the right to distribute and sell it/give it away yourself/use proprietary code to make your own OS etc....." That statement to me doesn't seem to be about your actual and personal ownership of the specific piece of product they sold to you, but the ownership of the "prodcut" as an entity. I own a copy of OS X, and it's mine forever and apple can not take it away from me, but clearly I don't OWN OS X.
Why are you making things up off the top of your head? Law by winging it? Nah. That is not how things operate in the real world no matter what you think
You are buying the box, manual and the physical media itself. You are only licensing the software based on the terms given.
Is there a van of Apple Stormtroopers coming to your house if you violate the terms? Probably not. But you are licensing it only and conceivably Apple could get a court order and physically have it removed from your computers. Not likely to really happen though since backups and internet make that effectively impossible to actually enforce.
At any rate, who gives a flying hoot? That is not how things operate in the real world no matter what the legal jargon says. In the real world, once you buy something, it's yours, and no one's going to be showing up at your house to take it away...........
Wanna bet? The RIAA/MPAA have for the past couple of years been lobbying strongly for the right to delete possibly offending copyrighted files from personal individual's computers, with zero liability in case they accidentally erase anything they shouldn't. This includes copies of DVDs that you own, since that violates the license agreement, copyright law and Fair Use Doctrine be damned.
It's even gotten to the form of a proposed bill a couple of times.
I HATE THESE threads. Man everyone stop being cheep, stop worrying about the price. Make a budget. IN IT INCLUDE ONE BRAND NEW OS PER YEAR. INCLUDE repairs, and other stuff so you don't have to worry about this.
Sorry you hate the thread, but I was just wondering how Apple does it so I could buy the appropiate software when the time comes. Being new to Apple, I thought I would ask.
I HATE THESE threads. Man everyone stop being cheep, stop worrying about the price. Make a budget. IN IT INCLUDE ONE BRAND NEW OS PER YEAR. INCLUDE repairs, and other stuff so you don't have to worry about this.
Grrr.
Wow!
Talk about totally misunderstanding a thread and all of it's posts.
I HATE THESE threads. Man everyone stop being cheep, stop worrying about the price. Make a budget. IN IT INCLUDE ONE BRAND NEW OS PER YEAR. INCLUDE repairs, and other stuff so you don't have to worry about this.
Grrr.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A BUDGET - WE'RE WONDERING HOW MUCH TO LEAVE ASIDE! If you hate these threads don;t participate!
Apple needs to gain some traction in the business world. The least they could do is to allow the Family Five Pack to apply to small businesses as well.
Or maybe a different SKU with five Mac OS licenses and five licenses of the forthcoming new Apple Office Suite.
If it's illegal, just pull a Ghandi. Civil disobediance never hurt anyone. And seriously, I doubt Apple would want the myriad of news reports about the big bad computer giant suing poor ex-teachers over computers bought when they were educators. Give me a break.
I like the idea about a small business or school licenses. Most school computer labs are about 30 units. Why not give a small business or school license for 40 to 50 units for say $400 or $450. I help maintain a school lab with 30 units and we try to keep legal copies of everything. This would keep temptation out of any equation for us.
I like the idea about a small business or school licenses. Most school computer labs are about 30 units. Why not give a small business or school license for 40 to 50 units for say $400 or $450. I help maintain a school lab with 30 units and we try to keep legal copies of everything. This would keep temptation out of any equation for us.
reg
Well... Apple does have licensing for schools, just not as cheap as $10/license. For 10-99 seats, it's $59/seat. IInformation is available here:
That is what we use. Still we look to cut cost. The mac lab is handled by volunteers. So the school's maintenance cost is almost nil. Its not always easy keeping mac's alive in a pc school.
Comments
Originally posted by hdcool
could you give a brief list of everything that will be new
except for spotlight, automator and dashboard?
There's a list of stuff at
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger
For some of the developer features, check:
http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/
Originally posted by JonE
No, I really doubt it's illegal once you leave, but you may still be bound under the educational/non-commercial license. That is, assuming Apple has such a license. I've seen some pretty strict edu licenses, as well as OEM ones, too.
Sure you could have a friend do it for you, just like a friend could buy you alcohol or copy a CD for you.
Apple doesn't do anything about copying anyway does it? They don;t make it difficult to share your OS CD do they!
Originally posted by mcsjgs
I've never understood why Apple doesn't allow you to pre-order and charge your credit card when they ship, like Amazon does. Wouldn't that let them gauge manufacturing how many CDs (or DVDs) better? Just a thought.
Amazon usually have an estimated date, Apple don;t do this because they don't announce it until it comes out. Tiger is an exception but Apple won't do it. Amazon tried to pre-order it and it wasn't successful (with Apple)
Originally posted by fahlman
Incorrect. Here's a quote from the Software License Agreement for Mac OS X:
The software (including Boot ROM code), documentation and any fonts accompanying this License whether on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (collectively the ?Apple Software?) are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Computer, Inc.
At any rate, who gives a flying hoot? That is not how things operate in the real world no matter what the legal jargon says. In the real world, once you buy something, it's yours, and no one's going to be showing up at your house to take it away...........
Anyways, I think the actual interpretation of that is more, "We're selling you the right to use this forever, but not the right to distribute and sell it/give it away yourself/use proprietary code to make your own OS etc....." That statement to me doesn't seem to be about your actual and personal ownership of the specific piece of product they sold to you, but the ownership of the "prodcut" as an entity. I own a copy of OS X, and it's mine forever and apple can not take it away from me, but clearly I don't OWN OS X.
Originally posted by Flounder
At any rate, who gives a flying hoot? That is not how things operate in the real world no matter what the legal jargon says. In the real world, once you buy something, it's yours, and no one's going to be showing up at your house to take it away...........
Anyways, I think the actual interpretation of that is more, "We're selling you the right to use this forever, but not the right to distribute and sell it/give it away yourself/use proprietary code to make your own OS etc....." That statement to me doesn't seem to be about your actual and personal ownership of the specific piece of product they sold to you, but the ownership of the "prodcut" as an entity. I own a copy of OS X, and it's mine forever and apple can not take it away from me, but clearly I don't OWN OS X.
Why are you making things up off the top of your head? Law by winging it? Nah. That is not how things operate in the real world no matter what you think
You are buying the box, manual and the physical media itself. You are only licensing the software based on the terms given.
Is there a van of Apple Stormtroopers coming to your house if you violate the terms? Probably not. But you are licensing it only and conceivably Apple could get a court order and physically have it removed from your computers. Not likely to really happen though since backups and internet make that effectively impossible to actually enforce.
Originally posted by Flounder
At any rate, who gives a flying hoot? That is not how things operate in the real world no matter what the legal jargon says. In the real world, once you buy something, it's yours, and no one's going to be showing up at your house to take it away...........
Wanna bet? The RIAA/MPAA have for the past couple of years been lobbying strongly for the right to delete possibly offending copyrighted files from personal individual's computers, with zero liability in case they accidentally erase anything they shouldn't. This includes copies of DVDs that you own, since that violates the license agreement, copyright law and Fair Use Doctrine be damned.
It's even gotten to the form of a proposed bill a couple of times.
Grrr.
Eric
Originally posted by webmail
I HATE THESE threads. Man everyone stop being cheep, stop worrying about the price. Make a budget. IN IT INCLUDE ONE BRAND NEW OS PER YEAR. INCLUDE repairs, and other stuff so you don't have to worry about this.
Grrr.
Wow!
Talk about totally misunderstanding a thread and all of it's posts.
Originally posted by webmail
I HATE THESE threads. Man everyone stop being cheep, stop worrying about the price. Make a budget. IN IT INCLUDE ONE BRAND NEW OS PER YEAR. INCLUDE repairs, and other stuff so you don't have to worry about this.
Grrr.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A BUDGET - WE'RE WONDERING HOW MUCH TO LEAVE ASIDE! If you hate these threads don;t participate!
Or maybe a different SKU with five Mac OS licenses and five licenses of the forthcoming new Apple Office Suite.
reg
Originally posted by reg
I like the idea about a small business or school licenses. Most school computer labs are about 30 units. Why not give a small business or school license for 40 to 50 units for say $400 or $450. I help maintain a school lab with 30 units and we try to keep legal copies of everything. This would keep temptation out of any equation for us.
reg
Well... Apple does have licensing for schools, just not as cheap as $10/license. For 10-99 seats, it's $59/seat. IInformation is available here:
http://www.apple.com/education/pricelists/
http://images.apple.com/education/pr...cationEVLA.pdf
reg
Originally posted by MCQ
Well... Apple does have licensing for schools, just not as cheap as $10/license. For 10-99 seats, it's $59/seat. IInformation is available here:
http://www.apple.com/education/pricelists/
http://images.apple.com/education/pr...cationEVLA.pdf
Why not just buy 10.3 server and get an unlimited licence?
Originally posted by MacCrazy
Why not just buy 10.3 server and get an unlimited licence?
Let me ask your mom.
BOOM
Originally posted by spyder
Let me ask your mom.
BOOM
BOOM? dude, it is not BOOM
it is BAM