i will xbench this biatch as soon as i get my superdrive enabled 12" tomorrow, just for the record....
oh, and quit whining you lot out there! This machine has a great and well deliniated market and will sell well. Real world example: i wanted a TiBook but couldn't afford/justify the price difference between that and the 15" PB. Really, i wanted portability, value and processing power. A 12" combo iBook looked like the sweetspot for me, but i held off buying until after MWSF
Now i have got a 12" PB with superdrive. i am over the moon at being able to get one of these puppies for £1500 or so ... it has altivec, video spanning, built in bluetooth, ddr ram and a freaking DVD R for a couple of hundred quid more than the 12" ibook used to go for!
Take it from me, this is perfect for anyone who is price yet performance conscious ... and perfect for someone who values bangs per buck. This machine is better speced than many apple has released in the past .... including the much more expensive rev b tibooks from last year. And it fits its market segment more obviously than, say the 14" iBook, which i can only recommend to people if they are 50+ and have long sight so need the bigger pixel sizes ...
<strong>12" Apple PowerBook should have been like 17" model, but maybe lower processor and smaller hard disk.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps, but then who would buy the current 15"Powerbook? I guess only those needing absolutely a 15" portable screen. And then there is the pricing issue...
Rough average for a iBook800 with 640MB, 52.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you drop that out-of-line 12-incher that got a score of 88 for an incomplete test, the average score is closer to 70. Still pretty good. I wonder why they mixed in some Titanium PowerBooks with the 12-inch PowerBook results. Inattention maybe?
What I really wonder is whether the 12-inch PowerBook is going to evolve like the Wallstreet PowerBooks. The bottom-end Wallstreet/233 had no cache, while the 250 and 292 had 1MB cache. For the next generation, "PDQ", all 3 models had 1MB cache. I really hope they give the 12-incher cache, 1GB RAM and 1Ghz CPU for the next revision.
<strong>Perhaps, but then who would buy the current 15"Powerbook? I guess only those needing absolutely a 15" portable screen. And then there is the pricing issue...</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's a good point, PB. We complain about the 12-inch PowerBook's performance but forget that it costs $600 less than the 15-inch TiBook. The 12-incher is not just a small and light PowerBook, but also a low-cost PowerBook. There are bound to be some compromises beyond the smaller screen to justify that price differential. IMO, Apple is making the right move, even though it leaves those who would pay more for a 12-inch PowerBook with 17-inch features wanting.
<strong>...We complain about the 12-inch PowerBook's performance but forget that it costs $600 less than the 15-inch TiBook. The 12-incher is not just a small and light PowerBook, but also a low-cost PowerBook. There are bound to be some compromises beyond the smaller screen to justify that price differential...</strong><hr></blockquote>
i'm not sure if this has been mentioned in another thread but...
i currently have a powerful desktop machine (QS Dual 1GHz) to do all my multimedia work on. i have never owned an Apple laptop, and seeing the PowerBooklet in person at MWSF was... awesome.
i'd love to have the 17" with all its screen real-estate, and the ambient-light keyboard, but i am only really considering it because of the L3 cache. i have to keep reminding myself that i already have a powerful desktop machine, and the PowerBooklet would simply allow me to be mobile around my house, allow me to keep in contact with freelance clients via wireless coffee shops, and allow me to get started on initial photoshop work while on the train. oh, and the PowerBooklet is about half the price of the 17", and of course, smaller than the 15".
(is there another thread discussing which PB to buy? hmm... maybe the Genius Bar. no? :cool: )
Now that my desktop is literally chained to the desk, I have no interest in taking it up and about for any of the stupid projects (like editing party video at 4am after using it to play a DJ set), and a 12" Powerbook will fit the bill superbly as a portable option.
Plus, the silly state of my home network mean life will be very, very easy. I'd been hemming and hawing over an iBook, but the lack of G4 was putting me off. Now I have no excuses, and a 12" PB with 500MB of RAM is my sweet spot.
<strong> Now I have no excuses, and a 12" PB with 500MB of RAM is my sweet spot. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Sounds good, although you'll have a little trouble getting one with 500MB of ram. 256, 384 and 640MB are the only possible configurations. (well, and 128MB if you wanted to take out the RAM it comes standard with...)
w00t! have new alu 12" and first impressions are that it is a very nice piece of kit ... the packaging is better than ever ... the shell and keyboard are so solid ....
anyway, i'll sure there'll be loads of reviews from new owners over the next few days, so i'm going to play with my first ever laptop
however, my overall xbench result is 74.49 ... full results have been posted to the xbench website
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oh, and quit whining you lot out there!
Now i have got a 12" PB with superdrive. i am over the moon at being able to get one of these puppies for £1500 or so ... it has altivec, video spanning, built in bluetooth, ddr ram and a freaking DVD R for a couple of hundred quid more than the 12" ibook used to go for!
Take it from me, this is perfect for anyone who is price yet performance conscious ... and perfect for someone who values bangs per buck. This machine is better speced than many apple has released in the past .... including the much more expensive rev b tibooks from last year. And it fits its market segment more obviously than, say the 14" iBook, which i can only recommend to people if they are 50+ and have long sight so need the bigger pixel sizes ...
anyway, rant over ...
<strong>12" Apple PowerBook should have been like 17" model, but maybe lower processor and smaller hard disk.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps, but then who would buy the current 15"Powerbook? I guess only those needing absolutely a 15" portable screen. And then there is the pricing issue...
[ 01-27-2003: Message edited by: PB ]</p>
<strong>Told ya that barefeats was a bitch.
Rough average for a PB12 with 256MB RAM, 75.
Rough average for a iBook800 with 640MB, 52.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you drop that out-of-line 12-incher that got a score of 88 for an incomplete test, the average score is closer to 70. Still pretty good. I wonder why they mixed in some Titanium PowerBooks with the 12-inch PowerBook results. Inattention maybe?
What I really wonder is whether the 12-inch PowerBook is going to evolve like the Wallstreet PowerBooks. The bottom-end Wallstreet/233 had no cache, while the 250 and 292 had 1MB cache. For the next generation, "PDQ", all 3 models had 1MB cache. I really hope they give the 12-incher cache, 1GB RAM and 1Ghz CPU for the next revision.
Escher
<strong>Perhaps, but then who would buy the current 15"Powerbook? I guess only those needing absolutely a 15" portable screen. And then there is the pricing issue...</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's a good point, PB. We complain about the 12-inch PowerBook's performance but forget that it costs $600 less than the 15-inch TiBook. The 12-incher is not just a small and light PowerBook, but also a low-cost PowerBook. There are bound to be some compromises beyond the smaller screen to justify that price differential. IMO, Apple is making the right move, even though it leaves those who would pay more for a 12-inch PowerBook with 17-inch features wanting.
Escher
[ 01-27-2003: Message edited by: Escher ]</p>
<strong>...We complain about the 12-inch PowerBook's performance but forget that it costs $600 less than the 15-inch TiBook. The 12-incher is not just a small and light PowerBook, but also a low-cost PowerBook. There are bound to be some compromises beyond the smaller screen to justify that price differential...</strong><hr></blockquote>
i'm not sure if this has been mentioned in another thread but...
i currently have a powerful desktop machine (QS Dual 1GHz) to do all my multimedia work on. i have never owned an Apple laptop, and seeing the PowerBooklet in person at MWSF was... awesome.
i'd love to have the 17" with all its screen real-estate, and the ambient-light keyboard, but i am only really considering it because of the L3 cache. i have to keep reminding myself that i already have a powerful desktop machine, and the PowerBooklet would simply allow me to be mobile around my house, allow me to keep in contact with freelance clients via wireless coffee shops, and allow me to get started on initial photoshop work while on the train. oh, and the PowerBooklet is about half the price of the 17", and of course, smaller than the 15".
(is there another thread discussing which PB to buy? hmm... maybe the Genius Bar. no? :cool: )
[ 01-27-2003: Message edited by: gerardiki ]</p>
I'm going to call mine the MiTi.
<strong>As a result i will soon be the proud owner of the above despite its lack or IR</strong><hr></blockquote>
you can always use a ir usb thing... I think Keyspan has one...
Plus, the silly state of my home network mean life will be very, very easy. I'd been hemming and hawing over an iBook, but the lack of G4 was putting me off. Now I have no excuses, and a 12" PB with 500MB of RAM is my sweet spot.
<strong> Now I have no excuses, and a 12" PB with 500MB of RAM is my sweet spot.
Sounds good, although you'll have a little trouble getting one with 500MB of ram. 256, 384 and 640MB are the only possible configurations. (well, and 128MB if you wanted to take out the RAM it comes standard with...)
My mistake, I haven't really spent the time to check out the memory options. Too busy drooling...
anyway, i'll sure there'll be loads of reviews from new owners over the next few days, so i'm going to play with my first ever laptop
however, my overall xbench result is 74.49 ... full results have been posted to the xbench website
imho this is a wee pocket rocket of a laptop ...