"I dare you to try to go to HP and get a dual cpu server, with the 1-u formfactor, oh and if you do that, you also must remember a n OS"
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Originally posted by a_greer
..I dare you to try to go to HP and get a dual cpu server, with the 1-u formfactor, oh and if you do that, you also must remember a n OS
okay.. i take you up on your dare. lets compare prices.
? hp dl360
? 2 * 2.8ghz xeon processors
? 2gb memory (2x1gb)
? dual port, teamable gigabit NICs, onboard
? 2 * 72gb scsi 15krpm
raided with inbuilt raid
= sub total = £2,800 (approx)
+ MS windows 2003 server = £ 343 (select price)
+ hp annual support = £ 100 (approx)
(hardware, 3hour onsite fix)
= total = £3,243
xserve (pasted from apple store website)
? Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5
? 2GB DDR400 ECC SDRAM - 4x512MB
? 80GB ADM (1x80GB Serial ATA)
? Gigabit Ethernet PCI-X Card - (lower slot)
? Gigabit Ethernet PCI-X Card - (upper slot)
? Mac OS X Server v10.3 (unlimited)
? Mac OS X Server Maintenance 36 Month Unlimited Client (1-9 Servers)
? AppleCare Service Parts Kit for Xserve G5
? AppleCare Premium Service and Support Plan for Xserve
total = £4,728.19
i could knock a 350quid off there if i chose not to use windows. can the same be said for xserve? :-)
I'm not sure where the unlimited client licenses comes from. a windows server will allow windows clients from the same generation as the server to connect with the Client access license (CAL) which comes with the client OS without the need for purchasing a separate one (ie win2k server-win2k pro. or w2k3 server-winXP pro). This is only the case for certain services which you might want to run on the server, eg, terminal services. other services such as serving web pages, file sharing, etc all do not require CALs afaik.
all business pc's available from major vendors in the last several years will come with win2k pro or winXP pro as an oem license as standard (in much the same way when you buy a mac it comes with a client license.) no other licenes are required unless you start getting in to the realms of SQL / Oracle / Citrix / etc
"I dare you to try to go to HP and get a dual cpu server, with the 1-u formfactor, oh and if you do that, you also must remember a n OS"
okay.. i take you up on your dare. lets compare prices.
? hp dl360
? 2 * 2.8ghz xeon processors
? 2gb memory (2x1gb)
? dual port, teamable gigabit NICs, onboard
? 2 * 72gb scsi 15krpm
raided with inbuilt raid
= sub total = £2,800 (approx)
+ MS windows 2003 server = £ 343 (select price)
+ hp annual support = £ 100 (approx)
(hardware, 3hour onsite fix)
= total = £3,243
xserve (pasted from apple store website)
? Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5
? 2GB DDR400 ECC SDRAM - 4x512MB
? 80GB ADM (1x80GB Serial ATA)
? Gigabit Ethernet PCI-X Card - (lower slot)
? Gigabit Ethernet PCI-X Card - (upper slot)
? Mac OS X Server v10.3 (unlimited)
? Mac OS X Server Maintenance 36 Month Unlimited Client (1-9 Servers)
? AppleCare Service Parts Kit for Xserve G5
? AppleCare Premium Service and Support Plan for Xserve
total = £4,728.19
i could knock a 350quid off there if i chose not to use windows. can the same be said for xserve? :-)
Why is Mac OS X Server Maintenance there? I don't see a similar maintenance license for Windows in your list, and dump the Service Parts Kit as you don't buy service parts in the HP example.
Furthermore your Xserve will have 4 gigabit Ethernet ports since it has two built-in ports.
New config:
? Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5
? 2GB DDR400 ECC SDRAM - 4x512MB
? 80GB ADM (1x80GB Serial ATA)
? Combo Drive (DVD/CD-RW)
? Mac OS X Server v10.3 (unlimited)
? AppleCare Premium Service and Support Plan for Xserve
Huh, why are you guys comparing 1U's? Anyway my 2 cents, Apples Xservers are great but I don't think I would buy any for my server farm. HP's warranty and onsite service is way more advanced and practical then Apples. Even though HP''s warranty says next day, 8 out of 10 times their there that day, with the parts, and their quick. No sending shitt to Apple with three day turn around, no onsite here in Zug Switzerland .
[B]Why is Mac OS X Server Maintenance there? I don't see a similar maintenance license for Windows in your list, and dump the Service Parts Kit as you don't buy service parts in the HP example.
it's there because our server support contract with hp (which is a corporate support contract covering practically all our hardware (laptops/pc's/printers/servers)), which covers replacement parts, replacement faulty servers, AND has a 4 hour response time is only £100 per year (per server), and that's on top of the usual great support that hp provides. I thought it was worth mentioning compared to the overly expensive apple support (if you want something decent from them)
if you want to get bitty, it may be worth mentioning the lack of
a) scsi disks - ie, you get sata disks, which are still unproven in the enterprise sector, and tend to be placed in to non-critical systems on the 'cheap'. not too sure about differences speed wise, but when compared to..
b) raid. no fault tolerance, less speed, yada yada. This coupled with apple's not so great support seems to me like a very very bad idea
c) couldn't find any mention of the xserve coming with dual nics, was why i included the two gigabit nics. my bad. can they be teamed / load balanced out of the box?
apple's server offerings definately look a lot more attractive than they did a year or so ago, but i think they have a bit more work to get up to the level of understanding of the enterprise environment that the likes of hp do.
it's there because our server support contract with hp (which is a corporate support contract covering practically all our hardware (laptops/pc's/printers/servers)), which covers replacement parts, replacement faulty servers, AND has a 4 hour response time is only £100 per year (per server), and that's on top of the usual great support that hp provides. I thought it was worth mentioning compared to the overly expensive apple support (if you want something decent from them)
Mac OS X Server Maintenance is OS updates for three years - it has nothing to do with the hardware.
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Originally posted by a_greer
..I dare you to try to go to HP and get a dual cpu server, with the 1-u formfactor, oh and if you do that, you also must remember a n OS
okay.. i take you up on your dare. lets compare prices.
? hp dl360
? 2 * 2.8ghz xeon processors
? 2gb memory (2x1gb)
? dual port, teamable gigabit NICs, onboard
? 2 * 72gb scsi 15krpm
raided with inbuilt raid
= sub total = £2,800 (approx)
+ MS windows 2003 server = £ 343 (select price)
+ hp annual support = £ 100 (approx)
(hardware, 3hour onsite fix)
= total = £3,243
xserve (pasted from apple store website)
? Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5
? 2GB DDR400 ECC SDRAM - 4x512MB
? 80GB ADM (1x80GB Serial ATA)
? Gigabit Ethernet PCI-X Card - (lower slot)
? Gigabit Ethernet PCI-X Card - (upper slot)
? Mac OS X Server v10.3 (unlimited)
? Mac OS X Server Maintenance 36 Month Unlimited Client (1-9 Servers)
? AppleCare Service Parts Kit for Xserve G5
? AppleCare Premium Service and Support Plan for Xserve
total = £4,728.19
i could knock a 350quid off there if i chose not to use windows. can the same be said for xserve? :-)
I'm not sure where the unlimited client licenses comes from. a windows server will allow windows clients from the same generation as the server to connect with the Client access license (CAL) which comes with the client OS without the need for purchasing a separate one (ie win2k server-win2k pro. or w2k3 server-winXP pro). This is only the case for certain services which you might want to run on the server, eg, terminal services. other services such as serving web pages, file sharing, etc all do not require CALs afaik.
all business pc's available from major vendors in the last several years will come with win2k pro or winXP pro as an oem license as standard (in much the same way when you buy a mac it comes with a client license.) no other licenes are required unless you start getting in to the realms of SQL / Oracle / Citrix / etc
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+ MS windows 2003 server = £ 343 (select price)
+ [/B]
How many client licenses come with that? here is what I came up with,
-Configurable-
ProLiant DL360 G4 Intel® Xeon? 3.00/3.40/3.60GHz Processor, SATA - Rack Model
ProLiant DL360 G4 Intel® Xeon? Processor - Rack Model
Intel® Xeon? Processor 3.00GHz/1MB
Intel® Xeon? Processor 3.00GHz/1MB
2GB Base Memory (4x512)
Microsoft® Windows® Server 2003 Enterprise Edition + 25 CALs (not installed)
Two 1" SATA drive bays
Embedded SATA controller (non-RAID)
PCI-X Riser - 2 PCI-X Slots (One Full Length and One Half Length)
HP 80GB SATA 1.5Gb 7,200 rpm 1" hard drive
NC7782 PCI-X Gigabit NICs (embedded) 10/100/1000 WOL
HP NC7771 PCI-X Gigabit Server Adapter
Slim Line CD-RW/DVD-ROM 24X Combo Drive Option Kit
SmartStart & Insight Manager
Integrated Lights-Out Management - standard
Warranty - 3 year next business day onsite
$6,782.00
? Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5
? 2GB DDR400 ECC SDRAM - 4x512
? 80GB ADM (1x80GB Serial ATA)
? Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
? Gigabit Ethernet PCI-X card - (lower slot)
? Gigabit Ethernet PCI-X card (upper slot)
? Mac OS X Server, Unlimited License
? AppleCare Service Parts Kit for Xserve G5
? AppleCare Premium Service and Support for Xserve
No video card
Estimated Ship:
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Subtotal $6,648.00
also, the Mac has unlimited CALs, windows limits that to 25
Originally posted by shao
"I dare you to try to go to HP and get a dual cpu server, with the 1-u formfactor, oh and if you do that, you also must remember a n OS"
okay.. i take you up on your dare. lets compare prices.
? hp dl360
? 2 * 2.8ghz xeon processors
? 2gb memory (2x1gb)
? dual port, teamable gigabit NICs, onboard
? 2 * 72gb scsi 15krpm
raided with inbuilt raid
= sub total = £2,800 (approx)
+ MS windows 2003 server = £ 343 (select price)
+ hp annual support = £ 100 (approx)
(hardware, 3hour onsite fix)
= total = £3,243
xserve (pasted from apple store website)
? Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5
? 2GB DDR400 ECC SDRAM - 4x512MB
? 80GB ADM (1x80GB Serial ATA)
? Gigabit Ethernet PCI-X Card - (lower slot)
? Gigabit Ethernet PCI-X Card - (upper slot)
? Mac OS X Server v10.3 (unlimited)
? Mac OS X Server Maintenance 36 Month Unlimited Client (1-9 Servers)
? AppleCare Service Parts Kit for Xserve G5
? AppleCare Premium Service and Support Plan for Xserve
total = £4,728.19
i could knock a 350quid off there if i chose not to use windows. can the same be said for xserve? :-)
Why is Mac OS X Server Maintenance there? I don't see a similar maintenance license for Windows in your list, and dump the Service Parts Kit as you don't buy service parts in the HP example.
Furthermore your Xserve will have 4 gigabit Ethernet ports since it has two built-in ports.
New config:
? Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5
? 2GB DDR400 ECC SDRAM - 4x512MB
? 80GB ADM (1x80GB Serial ATA)
? Combo Drive (DVD/CD-RW)
? Mac OS X Server v10.3 (unlimited)
? AppleCare Premium Service and Support Plan for Xserve
Price: £3,266.38
Originally posted by JLL
[B]Why is Mac OS X Server Maintenance there? I don't see a similar maintenance license for Windows in your list, and dump the Service Parts Kit as you don't buy service parts in the HP example.
it's there because our server support contract with hp (which is a corporate support contract covering practically all our hardware (laptops/pc's/printers/servers)), which covers replacement parts, replacement faulty servers, AND has a 4 hour response time is only £100 per year (per server), and that's on top of the usual great support that hp provides. I thought it was worth mentioning compared to the overly expensive apple support (if you want something decent from them)
if you want to get bitty, it may be worth mentioning the lack of
a) scsi disks - ie, you get sata disks, which are still unproven in the enterprise sector, and tend to be placed in to non-critical systems on the 'cheap'. not too sure about differences speed wise, but when compared to..
b) raid. no fault tolerance, less speed, yada yada. This coupled with apple's not so great support seems to me like a very very bad idea
c) couldn't find any mention of the xserve coming with dual nics, was why i included the two gigabit nics. my bad. can they be teamed / load balanced out of the box?
apple's server offerings definately look a lot more attractive than they did a year or so ago, but i think they have a bit more work to get up to the level of understanding of the enterprise environment that the likes of hp do.
Originally posted by shao
it's there because our server support contract with hp (which is a corporate support contract covering practically all our hardware (laptops/pc's/printers/servers)), which covers replacement parts, replacement faulty servers, AND has a 4 hour response time is only £100 per year (per server), and that's on top of the usual great support that hp provides. I thought it was worth mentioning compared to the overly expensive apple support (if you want something decent from them)
Mac OS X Server Maintenance is OS updates for three years - it has nothing to do with the hardware.