If pscates is right, and he's probably close, could some of the wrist slitters donate their current macs to someone who'll appreciate them, me. Jobs-era models welcome (aswell as netwons). So come on, slit those wrists, just make sure you UPS your macs over to me first. hehe
<strong>DUAL G5 iBOOK with SUPERDRIVE!!! all other models cancelled. Apple gets the prices down by having just one model with more performance than anything available in either the laptop or desktop space.
Starting at 999 Canadian with options up to 1999. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I think many of you forgot the "realistic" in the topic. Look at past trends. Assuming everything stays regular we will have iMacs clocking in at 600, 700, and 800 MHz all with a minimum of 128 MB of RAM and 256 on the Top model, possibly the top two. We'll we be looking at the same HDD configs too. Superdrives will never, I repeat, never be in the consumer machines. If they are I will eat my shoe. We may see a combo drive in the Ultimate config, but that is up in the air. If we don't see G5's we may see a new rev of the iMac, afterall this verson has been around for almost 2 years now, right? (Or was it a year and a half?) If we see G5's they will be in a simmilar case to the one now at speeds around what we've been seeing on other rumor sites, somewheres around 1 GHz with a 133 MHz bus etc. I doubt that we'll see USB 2.0 although standard Airport in the high end models is likely. If we don't see the G5 just expect a speed bump. Oh and don't be surprised if we see another Apple device that will compete with what they are selling in their stores from other people (IE Camera, PDA, camcorder).
<strong> Superdrives will never, I repeat, never be in the consumer machines. If they are I will eat my shoe.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why won't they be in a consumer machine? The price on them is steadily dropping snd making your own DVD's to send your home movies to relatives and friends is going to be more and more attractive to a lot of people.
<strong>Superdrives will never, I repeat, never be in the consumer machines. If they are I will eat my shoe. We may see a combo drive in the Ultimate config, but that is up in the air. </strong><hr></blockquote>
funny, because Steve Jobs said last year at the investor meeting that the imac would get the superdrive early 2002.
so shut up.
as far as "realistic" predictions
PowerMac G4 (7460)
867 Mhz, 1Ghz, 1.2 Ghz.
dual standard on one of those and an option on the others or standard on all
dual standard on one of those and an option on the others or standard on all
266 Mhz DDR Bus
256 MB RAM, 512 MB RAM on 2 others
Superdrive standard
Geforce 3 Standard/ Radeon 2 option
10/100/1000 Ethernet
4 PCI slots
2 5.25 inch external bays
new case design
airport standard
$1599, $1999, $2499
or something along those price points</strong><hr></blockquote>
Those prices are *very* unrealistic, especially to the highest model.
This is the Apple Computer Inc we are talking about. A f*cking cheap bastard. Do you think they are willing to sell their highend PowerMac for $1000 cheaper than the older one? No way!
...hm...my words seem kind of harsh, right???? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Those prices are *very* unrealistic, especially to the highest model.
This is the Apple Computer Inc we are talking about. A f*cking cheap bastard. Do you think they are willing to sell their highend PowerMac for $1000 cheaper than the older one? No way!
...hm...my words seem kind of harsh, right???? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
[ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: Leonis ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
not at all.
my reasoning?
they are likely going to drop the lowend to 1599 IMO. the specs I posted did not justify a 1000 dollar increase between each model. would you pay 1000 to go from 256 MB RAM and a 867 G4 to a 1Ghz G4 and 512 MB RAM? hell no, so I made the middle 1999 and then I couldn't make it go to 3499 or even 2999 for the next one, it would be insane.
if it would make you happier add a dual 1 Ghz to the top at 2999 and keep the others single processors. they dropped the powerbooks significantly and they are pricing te iBook very competitvely I don't see why the desktops would not follow.
I think the iMac specs/prices are realistic though, whether they will happen I do not know
<strong>wouldn't it be better if the low end iMac is selling at 799?</strong><hr></blockquote>
yea, but the 799 imac they have now is horrendous. it really is a joke. 400 Mhz G3 in late 2001? they don't seem to make a decent system with big enough margins at that price point without killing it feature wise. for the extra hundred bucks they can offer a bit of a better system for a small price more before jumping to 1299
yea, but the 799 imac they have now is horrendous. it really is a joke. 400 Mhz G3 in late 2001? they don't seem to make a decent system with big enough margins at that price point without killing it feature wise. for the extra hundred bucks they can offer a bit of a better system for a small price more before jumping to 1299</strong><hr></blockquote>
The 799 version is using 500Mhz G3 btw....that 400Mhz iMac is sold for 499 in NY area....
During the DV Expo, Schiller will announce Final Cut Pro for Mac OS X and taht it will be ready to ship at the time of the MWSF. This gives Steve a chance for a demo. During that demo, he will show how the new Apple Script Studio will help Multimedia profesionals stream line their work (of course, this will also be announced at the DV Expo, and will be downloadable.)
First Announcment: The Powerbook G4 Titaniums will now be avaliable with Combo Drives!
Then,better iMacs. Apple should focus on the education market. Grab the kids early, get 'em hooked for life!
After that, NEW G4s! I can't think of a new case design, but then again, Apple always shows us a new way to make a computer.
And finally, Steve will announce that he is an alien and will shoot towards the sky off the Keynote stage. Later reviled, the water that Steve kept on drinking, was the alien fuel that would help transport Steve back to his home planet where the only foods are halucenagenic 'shrooms
Well at least the $799 iMac comes with a better video card than it's 400Mhz predescesor, a G3 500Mhz with a 16MB Rage Ultra may not give the best graphics performance, but it is at least capable of pulling it's weight, making most games reasonably playable.
The entire iMac line has the exact same motherboard at the moment, everything else is just made of interchangeable parts. In theory you can upgrade the current low end Mac up to the fastest if you could find the parts.
As for the Power Mac G4, 1Ghz is a definate, the PPC 7450 can certainly reach it. I think Apple held it back in Macworld New York this year to give themselves some growth room. I've seen so many people overclock their PMG4 867Mhz to 1Ghz without any problems whatsoever.
If Apple can get a good supply of 7460s (Apollos) then they could use them on the dual processor system as they take less power and produce less heat at 1Ghz.
So my prediction is for a 867 and 1Ghz models on the old 7450, and a brand new dual gigahertz system based on the 7460, that would make the highlight of the show. Of course, you will have to wait until late February/March to get it.
The 7460 should be ready, it has been in development for well over a year, and if it isn't the backup plan would be to introduce a dual processor system based on the 7450 (obviously not at 2x 1Ghz).
And finally, the entire PowerMac line will have Superdrive. It is obvious Apple wants every Mac to have this drive someday, and they want that day to be soon, they are going to push this like they pushed Firewire throughout the entire line.
It's very possible to see a Superdrive on an iMac at least before the end of 2002 - don't rely in Steve's guess of early 2002, remember he said Mac OS X 10.0 would be out Summer 2000.
<strong>Well at least the $799 iMac comes with a better video card than it's 400Mhz predescesor, a G3 500Mhz with a 16MB Rage Ultra may not give the best graphics performance, but it is at least capable of pulling it's weight, making most games reasonably playable.
It's very possible to see a Superdrive on an iMac at least before the end of 2002 - don't rely in Steve's guess of early 2002, remember he said Mac OS X 10.0 would be out Summer 2000.</strong><hr></blockquote>
the iMac is barely capable of playing today's 3d games nevermind tomorrow's. that's not good, especially when the graphic card can't be upgraded.
Superdrive should have no problem being in the high end imac come January. retail you can already get it for 500 and maybe less now. now think what apple must get it for now. maybe 250-300 bucks?
I know applenut, I consider the video cards the weakest parts of the systems. Geoforce 2 MX400s should be standard on the iMac. Also, all the G4s should use the geoforce III. Oh, one more thing, the iBooks really need radeon togo.
<strong>Superdrive should have no problem being in the high end imac come January. retail you can already get it for 500 and maybe less now. now think what apple must get it for now. maybe 250-300 bucks?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but what about slot loading? I doubt there's any slot loading Superdrives around and Steve won't have an iMac that's got a tray loading drive.
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<strong>DUAL G5 iBOOK with SUPERDRIVE!!! all other models cancelled. Apple gets the prices down by having just one model with more performance than anything available in either the laptop or desktop space.
Starting at 999 Canadian with options up to 1999.
What's that, like $16 US
<strong> Superdrives will never, I repeat, never be in the consumer machines. If they are I will eat my shoe.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why won't they be in a consumer machine? The price on them is steadily dropping snd making your own DVD's to send your home movies to relatives and friends is going to be more and more attractive to a lot of people.
BTW What flavor is your shoe?
Superdrives will never, I repeat, never be in the consumer machines. If they are I will eat my shoe.<hr></blockquote>
Didn't Steve say he wanted them in the consumer machines by sometime in 2002?
[ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: EmAn ]</p>
<strong>Superdrives will never, I repeat, never be in the consumer machines. If they are I will eat my shoe. We may see a combo drive in the Ultimate config, but that is up in the air. </strong><hr></blockquote>
funny, because Steve Jobs said last year at the investor meeting that the imac would get the superdrive early 2002.
so shut up.
as far as "realistic" predictions
PowerMac G4 (7460)
867 Mhz, 1Ghz, 1.2 Ghz.
dual standard on one of those and an option on the others or standard on all
266 Mhz DDR Bus
256 MB RAM, 512 MB RAM on 2 others
Superdrive standard
Geforce 3 Standard/ Radeon 2 option
10/100/1000 Ethernet
4 PCI slots
2 5.25 inch external bays
new case design
airport standard
$1599, $1999, $2499
or something along those price points
iMac DV SE
15 inch LCD
new form factor
G4 733 standard
256 MB RAM standard
80GB HD standard
Superdrive standard
ATI radeon or geforce 2 mx integrated
10/100/1000 Ethernet
airport standard
$1299
iMac
15 inch crt
700 Mhz G3
128 MB RAM
40 GG HD
Combo drive
ATI Radeon or Geforce 2 mx integrated
10/100/1000 Ethernet
airport standard
$899
there you have it
<strong>
as far as "realistic" predictions
PowerMac G4 (7460)
867 Mhz, 1Ghz, 1.2 Ghz.
dual standard on one of those and an option on the others or standard on all
266 Mhz DDR Bus
256 MB RAM, 512 MB RAM on 2 others
Superdrive standard
Geforce 3 Standard/ Radeon 2 option
10/100/1000 Ethernet
4 PCI slots
2 5.25 inch external bays
new case design
airport standard
$1599, $1999, $2499
or something along those price points</strong><hr></blockquote>
Those prices are *very* unrealistic, especially to the highest model.
This is the Apple Computer Inc we are talking about. A f*cking cheap bastard. Do you think they are willing to sell their highend PowerMac for $1000 cheaper than the older one? No way!
...hm...my words seem kind of harsh, right???? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
[ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>
<strong>
Those prices are *very* unrealistic, especially to the highest model.
This is the Apple Computer Inc we are talking about. A f*cking cheap bastard. Do you think they are willing to sell their highend PowerMac for $1000 cheaper than the older one? No way!
...hm...my words seem kind of harsh, right???? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
[ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: Leonis ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
not at all.
my reasoning?
they are likely going to drop the lowend to 1599 IMO. the specs I posted did not justify a 1000 dollar increase between each model. would you pay 1000 to go from 256 MB RAM and a 867 G4 to a 1Ghz G4 and 512 MB RAM? hell no, so I made the middle 1999 and then I couldn't make it go to 3499 or even 2999 for the next one, it would be insane.
if it would make you happier add a dual 1 Ghz to the top at 2999 and keep the others single processors. they dropped the powerbooks significantly and they are pricing te iBook very competitvely I don't see why the desktops would not follow.
I think the iMac specs/prices are realistic though, whether they will happen I do not know
well done applenut.
i don't know about the bottom-line entry level crt iMac.
methinks we may go back to the old original Bondi pricing scheme
<strong>*clap clap*
well done applenut.
i don't know about the bottom-line entry level crt iMac.
methinks we may go back to the old original Bondi pricing scheme</strong><hr></blockquote>
thank you thank you
only reason for the lowend imac is that schools eat em up. and its good to have something sub-1000
<strong>wouldn't it be better if the low end iMac is selling at 799?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course it would. But Apple is known for not always doing the right thing when it comes to pricing.
<strong>wouldn't it be better if the low end iMac is selling at 799?</strong><hr></blockquote>
yea, but the 799 imac they have now is horrendous. it really is a joke. 400 Mhz G3 in late 2001? they don't seem to make a decent system with big enough margins at that price point without killing it feature wise. for the extra hundred bucks they can offer a bit of a better system for a small price more before jumping to 1299
<strong>
yea, but the 799 imac they have now is horrendous. it really is a joke. 400 Mhz G3 in late 2001? they don't seem to make a decent system with big enough margins at that price point without killing it feature wise. for the extra hundred bucks they can offer a bit of a better system for a small price more before jumping to 1299</strong><hr></blockquote>
The 799 version is using 500Mhz G3 btw....that 400Mhz iMac is sold for 499 in NY area....
First Announcment: The Powerbook G4 Titaniums will now be avaliable with Combo Drives!
Then,better iMacs. Apple should focus on the education market. Grab the kids early, get 'em hooked for life!
After that, NEW G4s! I can't think of a new case design, but then again, Apple always shows us a new way to make a computer.
And finally, Steve will announce that he is an alien and will shoot towards the sky off the Keynote stage. Later reviled, the water that Steve kept on drinking, was the alien fuel that would help transport Steve back to his home planet where the only foods are halucenagenic 'shrooms
word :cool:
<strong>
The 799 version is using 500Mhz G3 btw....that 400Mhz iMac is sold for 499 in NY area....</strong><hr></blockquote>
true. got confused... still sad though.
those 499 iMacs just became available in stores here and I admit I am very tempted to get one.
The entire iMac line has the exact same motherboard at the moment, everything else is just made of interchangeable parts. In theory you can upgrade the current low end Mac up to the fastest if you could find the parts.
As for the Power Mac G4, 1Ghz is a definate, the PPC 7450 can certainly reach it. I think Apple held it back in Macworld New York this year to give themselves some growth room. I've seen so many people overclock their PMG4 867Mhz to 1Ghz without any problems whatsoever.
If Apple can get a good supply of 7460s (Apollos) then they could use them on the dual processor system as they take less power and produce less heat at 1Ghz.
So my prediction is for a 867 and 1Ghz models on the old 7450, and a brand new dual gigahertz system based on the 7460, that would make the highlight of the show. Of course, you will have to wait until late February/March to get it.
The 7460 should be ready, it has been in development for well over a year, and if it isn't the backup plan would be to introduce a dual processor system based on the 7450 (obviously not at 2x 1Ghz).
And finally, the entire PowerMac line will have Superdrive. It is obvious Apple wants every Mac to have this drive someday, and they want that day to be soon, they are going to push this like they pushed Firewire throughout the entire line.
It's very possible to see a Superdrive on an iMac at least before the end of 2002 - don't rely in Steve's guess of early 2002, remember he said Mac OS X 10.0 would be out Summer 2000.
<strong>Well at least the $799 iMac comes with a better video card than it's 400Mhz predescesor, a G3 500Mhz with a 16MB Rage Ultra may not give the best graphics performance, but it is at least capable of pulling it's weight, making most games reasonably playable.
It's very possible to see a Superdrive on an iMac at least before the end of 2002 - don't rely in Steve's guess of early 2002, remember he said Mac OS X 10.0 would be out Summer 2000.</strong><hr></blockquote>
the iMac is barely capable of playing today's 3d games nevermind tomorrow's. that's not good, especially when the graphic card can't be upgraded.
Superdrive should have no problem being in the high end imac come January. retail you can already get it for 500 and maybe less now. now think what apple must get it for now. maybe 250-300 bucks?
That is all.
<strong>Superdrive should have no problem being in the high end imac come January. retail you can already get it for 500 and maybe less now. now think what apple must get it for now. maybe 250-300 bucks?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but what about slot loading? I doubt there's any slot loading Superdrives around and Steve won't have an iMac that's got a tray loading drive.