I find, one button mice are sooooo impractical,when surfing and reading long documents, and the right-click function is a god-send in most "pro" apps.
I can see your point here but I like one-button mice because they're simple, elegant. For non-pro apps (iLife, some games, browsers, word processors, etc.) a one button operation should be enough. More importantly, developers shouldn't hide options, within right-click menus. I just don't see great design into triggering a list of options by clicking on an aditional button. Looks uninspired. "Oh, just put it on the right-click menu."
This doesn't mean I am against use of 2 or 3 mouse buttons. They're nice for complex, pro applications.
Yeah, Apple was just waiting for my Mini (my first ever Mac) to be delivered yesterday to make this announcement!
I have ther base model with no upgrades. I do not use iMovie or iDVD or iTunes or any other iLife apps. I have a few Safari windows open, one Mail window open, one iCal window open and I can feel the sluggishness. For example, when I hit F9 for Expose, it takes a few seconds for the windows to separate!
While I agree that it's good apple has upped the minimum RAM shipped with it's computers... they can't please everybody.
By offering a machine with only 256mb, it is possible for clueless people to purchase a computer which doesn't meet their needs. At the same time, including less RAM in the standard bundle makes it possible to purchase memory on your own terms.
Requiring every consumer to purchase more memory from apple ain't all roses.
Some people get pissed when they can't buy a bare bones machine...
"Why is apple forcing us to buy memory at inflated prices?"
Bit confused doesnt the 2.0 G5 upwards have PCI express or are you talking about something else? I own the 1.6GHZ G5 so im in the dark here... Do you mean PCI-X as standard?
They have PCI-X. We want PCI express instead of AGP.
Yeah, Apple was just waiting for my Mini (my first ever Mac) to be delivered yesterday to make this announcement!
I have ther base model with no upgrades. I do not use iMovie or iDVD or iTunes or any other iLife apps. I have a few Safari windows open, one Mail window open, one iCal window open and I can feel the sluggishness. For example, when I hit F9 for Expose, it takes a few seconds for the windows to separate!
Cheers
dude, that actually is a bit weird... try upgrading to 10.3.8, or using tabbed windows in safari, in any case, my iBook g4 933mhz 256mb ram 40gb hard disk handles safari, mail, ical, not too bad at all, handles it quite well... even with, for example, bittorrent running in the background...
edit1: and i have virex anti-virus running in 'active' mode in the background (least processor intensive mode i think)
edit2: not saying you don't have legitimate concerns, i have seen expose on my machine f9 at a 'leisurely' pace at times... just sayin you can definitely get more performance, productivity and enjoyment out of your 256mb ram... 1.25ghz G4! (mine is only 933mhz G4 ) maybe hit up the genius bar... its fun to get more performance for free
Bit confused doesnt the 2.0 G5 upwards have PCI express or are you talking about something else? I own the 1.6GHZ G5 so im in the dark here... Do you mean PCI-X as standard?
PCI-e is PCI Express, pci-x is something else (I think it means PCI extream) but I have yet to see any pci-x cards or slots outside of Apple cards like the fiberchannel and, of course, the bus slots on the G5, I dont even know if PCI-x was ever used in x86 or x86-64 land.
PCI-e is PCI Express, pci-x is something else (I think it means PCI extream) but I have yet to see any pci-x cards or slots outside of Apple cards like the fiberchannel and, of course, the bus slots on the G5, I dont even know if PCI-x was ever used in x86 or x86-64 land.
I think they were used in some highend x86 workstations for content creation. I do know that there are audio cards and video capture cards that are PCI-X. I had not noticed tghem until after the G% release though.
I think they were used in some highend x86 workstations for content creation. I do know that there are audio cards and video capture cards that are PCI-X. I had not noticed tghem until after the G% release though.
PCI-X is practically standard on build your own system mobo's. Tyan, Asis, everybody has it. I don't know if DELL, HP, or any of the pre-builts are using it, but I've never looked before.
PCI-X is practically standard on build your own system mobo's. Tyan, Asis, everybody has it. I don't know if DELL, HP, or any of the pre-builts are using it, but I've never looked before.
i feel it's prudent to note that PCI-X offers increased throughput eg. for video cards but as some intense GPU threads have pointed out, even if you have a screaming GPU card in a PCI-X slot, currently speeds into the GPU through PCI-X are much higher than coming back from the GPU....
PCI-X is practically standard on build your own system mobo's. Tyan, Asis, everybody has it. I don't know if DELL, HP, or any of the pre-builts are using it, but I've never looked before.
Huh? A quick search for "pci-x" on each of Newegg's three sections for motherboards (AMD, Intel, and Server motherboards) returns the following results:
AMD: No results.
Intel: One motherboard.
Server: 53 motherboards.
Given that they've got almost 200 AMD motherboards, 247 Intel motherboards, and 65 server motherboards, I'd say that hardly qualifies as "practically standard". PCI-X is an oddball standard even on PCs... It's only seen anything approaching real heavy use in servers.
I do have 10.3.8. I am actually not complaining about the sluggishness, I only made an observation. So far 256MB seems to work not too bad, so I am going to wait till it asbsolutely is necessary to upgrade
Time for them to also realize that any desktop machine sold in this day and age for 999 or more, should have a superdrive and approx 160GB of storage as standard...
Hmm. Not that I disagree with you that a larger hard drive is best, but Apple charges $100 for a 160 GB drive upgrade. Apple would pass along any HD increase. Unless you're doing heavy video work 80 GB is fine. Heck I do video all the time 30 mins or longer and I only have a 60 GB drive. So you can get by with 80. With that said I think the RAM upgrade is great, but I can't see them doing both RAM and hard drives.
I do have 10.3.8. I am actually not complaining about the sluggishness, I only made an observation. So far 256MB seems to work not too bad, so I am going to wait till it asbsolutely is necessary to upgrade
Cheers
no worries mate
i think i might celebrate my iBook's 2nd birthday around christmas by geting a nice 512mb piece to bring things up to 640mb.... sweet....
I can see your point here but I like one-button mice because they're simple, elegant. For non-pro apps (iLife, some games, browsers, word processors, etc.) a one button operation should be enough. More importantly, developers shouldn't hide options, within right-click menus. I just don't see great design into triggering a list of options by clicking on an aditional button. Looks uninspired. "Oh, just put it on the right-click menu."
This doesn't mean I am against use of 2 or 3 mouse buttons. They're nice for complex, pro applications.
now if Apple had a one button mouse with a scroll wheel, that would be nice!
i will stick with my wireless optical Logitech mouse!
so who's betting on by MAY 2005 anyone buying a Mac Mini would get Tiger, and 512MB Ram standard...?
i'm willing to wait till JUNE 2005 (WWDC i guess) to buy a Mac Mini for my parents, well, for my older brother to buy a Mac Mini for us
also a widescreen LCD 15" or 17", nothing too fancy, would be sweet for my dad to watch DVDs and stuff with headphones on... seems to be a dearth* of quality wide-format LCDs in this range that are purely for VGA/DVI not TV signals
I'm starting to think it is going to take longer, for us to see 512 become standard in the Mac Mini. However, I hope I'm wrong. The current Mac Mini with 512 standard would be an outstanding buy.
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Originally posted by telekon
I find, one button mice are sooooo impractical,when surfing and reading long documents, and the right-click function is a god-send in most "pro" apps.
I can see your point here but I like one-button mice because they're simple, elegant. For non-pro apps (iLife, some games, browsers, word processors, etc.) a one button operation should be enough. More importantly, developers shouldn't hide options, within right-click menus. I just don't see great design into triggering a list of options by clicking on an aditional button. Looks uninspired. "Oh, just put it on the right-click menu."
This doesn't mean I am against use of 2 or 3 mouse buttons. They're nice for complex, pro applications.
I have ther base model with no upgrades. I do not use iMovie or iDVD or iTunes or any other iLife apps. I have a few Safari windows open, one Mail window open, one iCal window open and I can feel the sluggishness. For example, when I hit F9 for Expose, it takes a few seconds for the windows to separate!
Cheers
By offering a machine with only 256mb, it is possible for clueless people to purchase a computer which doesn't meet their needs. At the same time, including less RAM in the standard bundle makes it possible to purchase memory on your own terms.
Requiring every consumer to purchase more memory from apple ain't all roses.
Some people get pissed when they can't buy a bare bones machine...
"Why is apple forcing us to buy memory at inflated prices?"
Originally posted by Celco
Bit confused doesnt the 2.0 G5 upwards have PCI express or are you talking about something else? I own the 1.6GHZ G5 so im in the dark here... Do you mean PCI-X as standard?
They have PCI-X. We want PCI express instead of AGP.
Originally posted by tilt
Yeah, Apple was just waiting for my Mini (my first ever Mac) to be delivered yesterday to make this announcement!
I have ther base model with no upgrades. I do not use iMovie or iDVD or iTunes or any other iLife apps. I have a few Safari windows open, one Mail window open, one iCal window open and I can feel the sluggishness. For example, when I hit F9 for Expose, it takes a few seconds for the windows to separate!
Cheers
dude, that actually is a bit weird... try upgrading to 10.3.8, or using tabbed windows in safari, in any case, my iBook g4 933mhz 256mb ram 40gb hard disk handles safari, mail, ical, not too bad at all, handles it quite well... even with, for example, bittorrent running in the background...
edit1: and i have virex anti-virus running in 'active' mode in the background (least processor intensive mode i think)
edit2: not saying you don't have legitimate concerns, i have seen expose on my machine f9 at a 'leisurely' pace at times... just sayin you can definitely get more performance, productivity and enjoyment out of your 256mb ram... 1.25ghz G4! (mine is only 933mhz G4
Originally posted by Celco
Bit confused doesnt the 2.0 G5 upwards have PCI express or are you talking about something else? I own the 1.6GHZ G5 so im in the dark here... Do you mean PCI-X as standard?
PCI-e is PCI Express, pci-x is something else (I think it means PCI extream) but I have yet to see any pci-x cards or slots outside of Apple cards like the fiberchannel and, of course, the bus slots on the G5, I dont even know if PCI-x was ever used in x86 or x86-64 land.
Originally posted by a_greer
PCI-e is PCI Express, pci-x is something else (I think it means PCI extream) but I have yet to see any pci-x cards or slots outside of Apple cards like the fiberchannel and, of course, the bus slots on the G5, I dont even know if PCI-x was ever used in x86 or x86-64 land.
I think they were used in some highend x86 workstations for content creation. I do know that there are audio cards and video capture cards that are PCI-X. I had not noticed tghem until after the G% release though.
Originally posted by xsmi
I think they were used in some highend x86 workstations for content creation. I do know that there are audio cards and video capture cards that are PCI-X. I had not noticed tghem until after the G% release though.
PCI-X is practically standard on build your own system mobo's. Tyan, Asis, everybody has it. I don't know if DELL, HP, or any of the pre-builts are using it, but I've never looked before.
Originally posted by onlooker
PCI-X is practically standard on build your own system mobo's. Tyan, Asis, everybody has it. I don't know if DELL, HP, or any of the pre-builts are using it, but I've never looked before.
i feel it's prudent to note that PCI-X offers increased throughput eg. for video cards but as some intense GPU threads have pointed out, even if you have a screaming GPU card in a PCI-X slot, currently speeds into the GPU through PCI-X are much higher than coming back from the GPU....
my point is.... i forget
Originally posted by onlooker
PCI-X is practically standard on build your own system mobo's. Tyan, Asis, everybody has it. I don't know if DELL, HP, or any of the pre-builts are using it, but I've never looked before.
Huh? A quick search for "pci-x" on each of Newegg's three sections for motherboards (AMD, Intel, and Server motherboards) returns the following results:
- AMD: No results.
- Intel: One motherboard.
- Server: 53 motherboards.
Given that they've got almost 200 AMD motherboards, 247 Intel motherboards, and 65 server motherboards, I'd say that hardly qualifies as "practically standard". PCI-X is an oddball standard even on PCs... It's only seen anything approaching real heavy use in servers.I do have 10.3.8. I am actually not complaining about the sluggishness, I only made an observation. So far 256MB seems to work not too bad, so I am going to wait till it asbsolutely is necessary to upgrade
Cheers
Originally posted by Matsu
Time for them to also realize that any desktop machine sold in this day and age for 999 or more, should have a superdrive and approx 160GB of storage as standard...
Hmm. Not that I disagree with you that a larger hard drive is best, but Apple charges $100 for a 160 GB drive upgrade. Apple would pass along any HD increase. Unless you're doing heavy video work 80 GB is fine. Heck I do video all the time 30 mins or longer and I only have a 60 GB drive. So you can get by with 80. With that said I think the RAM upgrade is great, but I can't see them doing both RAM and hard drives.
Originally posted by tilt
@Sunilraman
I do have 10.3.8. I am actually not complaining about the sluggishness, I only made an observation. So far 256MB seems to work not too bad, so I am going to wait till it asbsolutely is necessary to upgrade
Cheers
no worries mate
i think i might celebrate my iBook's 2nd birthday around christmas by geting a nice 512mb piece to bring things up to 640mb.... sweet....
Originally posted by monkeyastronaut
I can see your point here but I like one-button mice because they're simple, elegant. For non-pro apps (iLife, some games, browsers, word processors, etc.) a one button operation should be enough. More importantly, developers shouldn't hide options, within right-click menus. I just don't see great design into triggering a list of options by clicking on an aditional button. Looks uninspired. "Oh, just put it on the right-click menu."
This doesn't mean I am against use of 2 or 3 mouse buttons. They're nice for complex, pro applications.
now if Apple had a one button mouse with a scroll wheel, that would be nice!
i will stick with my wireless optical Logitech mouse!
it works great!
i'm willing to wait till JUNE 2005 (WWDC i guess) to buy a Mac Mini for my parents, well, for my older brother to buy a Mac Mini for us
also a widescreen LCD 15" or 17", nothing too fancy, would be sweet for my dad to watch DVDs and stuff with headphones on... seems to be a dearth* of quality wide-format LCDs in this range that are purely for VGA/DVI not TV signals
*means 'lack' or 'suprisingly small amount'
Originally posted by sunilraman
*means 'lack' or 'suprisingly small amount'
Oh, thanks! And to think I was gonna get that on my own..
Eric